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January 16, 2016, 10:42:07 AM

imho we hardly go much lower than this (but the next 24 hours...)

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January 16, 2016, 10:43:59 AM

... I asked you how you plan to do that with less than 25% of the hashrate of Classic.
Obviously you're slow. I'll repeat it once again for you.

We'll stick to main bitcoin branch. Period.

You're free to fork it under whatever name you wish - XT, ClassicBitcoin, UnlimitedBitcoin whatever. Percentage of current hash rate you'll take after forking is irrelevant. Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin existed and flourished with far less hash rate few years ago.

Jesus, fella, you simply don't get it do you? At the risk of sounding a little "Do You Even?", do you even understand the basics of how bitcoin achieves consensus? Its not a brand, its a group statement. Raging on the sidelines with your ball in your hand wont stop the game.

Bitcoin will continue without you. Thanks for your time.
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January 16, 2016, 10:46:46 AM

Let's see how the recovery unfolds, if any. It might bring back the memories of the arrest of Ross Ulbritch to the market if a steady rise ensues.

indeed, it feels lot like the set-up and action at that time ... of course it was the watershed washout moment that began the true beginning for the big wave that followed.

this could be one of those moents when a buy now will turn out to change your life in the not too distant future ... who knows bitcoin has done it exactly like this before.

Albricht and Hearn are much more alike than they would imagine.
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January 16, 2016, 10:48:25 AM

Bitcoin "Classic"! What a stupid name. Logically there's nothing really classic about it. They should have spent a little more time thinking up a proper name at least.

It's called Classic because it is was inspired by Satoshi's scaling solution. And is in keeping with his vision for a Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System.


Bitcoin classic is BIP 102

Summary of differences between core+segwit and classic now -

Classic - BIP102
Effective 2MB block capacity + possibly removing RBF + possibly versionbits
5 developers maintaining

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Effective 1.75-2MB Block capacity
Version bits , future fraud proofs doesn't work, signature pruning, simpler script updates doesn't work, fixing malleability allowing future payment channels doesn't quite fix malleability - huge risk potential.
45 within a month less than 10 developers maintaining 

Both are good.... but Classic isn't that exciting now that they decided to remove 2-4 + segwit as an option.

Regarding your dev numbers, most of those guys have no financial gain with blockstream, so will follow where the action is.

And again, your figure for Classic is wrong. But if that's a figure that helps you sleep at night, then go for it.
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January 16, 2016, 10:51:37 AM

Funny how every "doom, bitcoin is dead" guys just want to buy back cheap coins, and they always got rekt by the elite and their minions...  Cheesy

My advice, collect some coins and put it in your wallet, store your priv key in few secure places and enjoy the life for some years, when the elite that control the money from thousand of years decide to trigger the next "reset" (that will be soon) bitcoin will be the choice, then have fun.

Never try to play with your coins for few bucks you will lose everything, and dont trust anyone they just want your coins.
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January 16, 2016, 10:57:23 AM

"There is time to buy and time to sell" - Einstein (maybe)   Roll Eyes
Now it is time to buy
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January 16, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

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January 16, 2016, 11:48:56 AM

I think that a decrease in rewards definitely will be played by the market and is likely to be catalyzed by the wild nervousness and expectation of earnings. Traders and financial sharks should not miss this chance, which happens once every 4 years. So bubble - a matter of time and its value. But of course everyone wants buy cheaper, and therefore pressured the price.
It is also interesting how wildly really affect a decrease in demand in the market. We'll know this year.
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January 16, 2016, 12:01:47 PM

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January 16, 2016, 12:25:51 PM


well what is the right interpretation ?
people selling because they are scared, or something "inside" BTC protocol couldn't work as programmed?
(see block size debate?)
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January 16, 2016, 12:49:48 PM

The volatility IMO is due entirely to the hard fork. A big player (likely miner) sold at 450 because they know what is coming.

Expect price volatility to be much higher for a bit whilst the market tries to understand the ascent of Classic over Core in the upcoming hard fork.

I think we get short term negative price action followed by a huge relief rally leading up towards the halving.

Be careful with leverage because I wouldnt put it past some rabid small-blocker-early-adopters to dump thousands of coins in a futile attempt to prevent miners switching to Classic (though that is now almost fait accompli).

 'lel' to brg444, marcus of augustus and all those who thought they knew better than the market.
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January 16, 2016, 01:01:46 PM

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January 16, 2016, 01:07:09 PM

Most of the blocks are full these days due to the high volume of transactions that is happening.
I do not know what is right for the block size but I believe it needs some upgrade soon
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January 16, 2016, 01:13:22 PM

The volatility IMO is due entirely to the hard fork. A big player (likely miner) sold at 450 because they know what is coming.

Expect price volatility to be much higher for a bit whilst the market tries to understand the ascent of Classic over Core in the upcoming hard fork.

I think we get short term negative price action followed by a huge relief rally leading up towards the halving.

Be careful with leverage because I wouldnt put it past some rabid small-blocker-early-adopters to dump thousands of coins in a futile attempt to prevent miners switching to Classic (though that is now almost fait accompli).

 'lel' to brg444, marcus of augustus and all those who thought they knew better than the market.

I think you got it backwards. The volatility was the result of main stream media attention to the threat of stalling growth of Bitcoin due to the shortage of block space. Now that it slowly but surely becomes clear that Core is getting ditched for Classic by the community, the volatility is getting less. Once more details emerge about the implementation path of Classic, you can expect a rally.
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January 16, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Volatility is healthy.
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January 16, 2016, 01:19:41 PM

Slowly but surely we're getting out of the woods.

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January 16, 2016, 01:32:43 PM


What's that you say? The price won't go much lower than this? Better do your after Christmas buy back now? Ok, if you say so.
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January 16, 2016, 01:34:57 PM

It's Bitcoin after all ...  Grin



But, that's ... it's new ...  Tongue

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January 16, 2016, 01:35:29 PM

I think you got it backwards. The volatility was the result of main stream media attention to the threat of stalling growth of Bitcoin due to the shortage of block space.

Growth of micropayments was not on the table, per Satoshi himself. They don't scale with the existing tech. He was hoping for technology to solve this issue - and so far this hasn't been the case. It may be solved in 10-20 years, right now it isn't.

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Now that it slowly but surely becomes clear that Core is getting ditched for Classic by the community, the volatility is getting less. Once more details emerge about the implementation path of Classic, you can expect a rally.

There will be two coins of 21mn supply after the fork. The money supply will be doubled. Some that prefer the 25% variant will be dumping on the 75ers. The opposite may not even work due to lack of exchange support, lol.

And that's the least of our worries. If there is even a 10% chance that Satoshi actually wrote the letter back in August against XT and Gavin, what follows a successful fork may be Satoshi coming out and saying "ok, NOW it's an official failure". Hearn's bullshit will not be even 1% in magnitude compared to Satoshi declaring it dead because BTC became Gavincoin.

Now that it slowly but surely becomes clear that Core is getting ditched for Classic by the community, the volatility is getting less. Once more details emerge about the implementation path of Classic, you can expect a rally.

There is a serious risk that the post of Satoshi against XT fork is real. In that case, if the "classic" fork succeeds, what Hearn says about bitcoin dying will be ...nothing compared to a Satoshi declaration of BTC failure.

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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project. Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

Satoshi Nakamoto

Do you feel lucky?

I don't.

There has been a social engineering attack and it has been successful.

If btc turns to gavincoin / nsacoin under the pretext of "larger blocks urgency" =>  it's dead (per Satoshi). And we may have a public obituary for it by fuckin' Satoshi.
if core folds and goes to 2mb or segwit right now => it's theoretically better than turning btc into gavincoin but it's still a social engineering attack success, in terms of pushing things and breaking consensus under the threat of a hard fork.

The parameter that "btc fails because there is no space" is for technically ignorant people. At most some dust will transact with a lower priority due to zero or low fees.
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I had not seen that letter until now, but it looks like a lot of vague bla-bla without even a hint of a technical argument.
I'll eat my hat if that was written by any of the very skilled mathematician/cryptographer(s) that designed bitcoin.
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