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December 23, 2017, 04:34:51 PM

I'm sick of BCore Coin being unusable and people thinking it is fucking some future tech because they put $100 in Coinbase and now it is worth $1000.

BCore Coin fucking SUCKS at the moment regardless of whatever the price is.

I wouldn't buy Bitcoin Core right now if it was $100 a coin and I fucking love Buttcoins!

Better than spending $40 fucking dollars in fees to send $10 fucking dollars payments Tongue  Cool

Sorry if I sound super bitchy, but these fees are fucking destroying me at the moment.

I know a lot of y'all don't actually use Bitcoin outside of Coinbase, but for those of us that do... we are getting fucking murdered atm.   Angry Lips sealed Cry

Fuckedy fuck with fucks on top Roll Eyes
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December 23, 2017, 04:36:03 PM

If Feb/28/2018 is still available I'll take it please.
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December 23, 2017, 04:38:40 PM

Breaking 24777$ prediction game



May I please have 29/12/2017
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December 23, 2017, 04:43:41 PM

Did you  make the same observation on Stamp : someone sells 1400 BTC  (@0.21) for 6750BCH. This gigantic wall prevents BCH from going below 0.21 for quite some time... .
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Breaking 24777$ prediction game


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Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taken iT can't been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2017  @ 22.00 cet

SOME HAVE TAKEN A DATE THATS ALLREADY OCCUPIED      -fluidjax
                                                                                       -vito5
                                                                                       -Dotto
                                                                                       -Ibian
                                                                                       -Roombot
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              TAKE DIFFRENT DATE PLEASE , THE DATES YOU GUYS PICKED WERE TAKEN

MANY PAGES BACK I POSTED THAT YOUR MINIMUM ACTIVITY NEEDS TO BE 50+ TO COME ON THE LIST! NO NEW ACCOUNTS GR

March 3rd 2018 please!
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December 23, 2017, 05:04:57 PM

it seems that I am making way more money with $850 to $1,000 increments than I was making with smaller increments,

I would suggest that your touchy-feely analysis is just plain wrong.

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you seem to be pointing out that you have been taking some breaks from trading

Yes. The 'breaks' are motivated not by time matters, but rather that in a bull market any such trading will tend to make you fiat-rich and crypto-poor. Accordingly, I trade only when I want fiat. Of course, this last two weeks being a rather large episode, I need to plan a way to gracefully wind it down.

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when my increments are larger, I seem to end up leaving less money on the table when the price out runs me

You've not seen much of my sell side. Price does not outrun me.
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December 23, 2017, 05:11:00 PM

EEVBlog Dave has a new Trezor vs Nano comparison out

https://youtu.be/SKWYO3Qh79A
Thanks for that. I have both with my primary stash split between them, and thinking of getting another for everyday use. Deffo going with another trezor, the guy is right about ledger dicking around too much. Also trezor allows cool backgrounds.
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December 23, 2017, 05:17:46 PM

interesting - https://www.lottoland.ie/bitcoinlotto

is this a mainstream first?
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December 23, 2017, 05:28:15 PM

Tom Lee gets it:

Fundstrat's Tom Lee says he's a buyer of the bitcoin pullback, now sees more than 35% gains from here
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/22/fundstrats-tom-lee-says-hes-a-buyer-of-the-bitcoin-pullback.html

And hey Tom, I bought that dip too! Nailed it at $11,500.

Nice! I had targets at 11k and just under.  I was watching the depth chart as they all got filled. I just want to thank who ever sold at the bottom.
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December 23, 2017, 05:47:03 PM

A tiny flat top on the bitfinix 1h chart...


tiny fake wall @14k


first red on 6h.
RSI overbought.
Small dip incoming.
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December 23, 2017, 05:54:57 PM

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


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Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taken iT can't been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2017  @ 22.00 cet

SOME HAVE TAKEN A DATE THATS ALLREADY OCCUPIED      -fluidjax
                                                                                       -vito5
                                                                                       -Dotto
                                                                                       -Ibian
                                                                                       -Roombot
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                                                                                       -
              TAKE DIFFRENT DATE PLEASE , THE DATES YOU GUYS PICKED WERE TAKEN

MANY PAGES BACK I POSTED THAT YOUR MINIMUM ACTIVITY NEEDS TO BE 50+ TO COME ON THE LIST! NO NEW ACCOUNTS GR

March 3rd 2018 please!

February 28, 2018 for me, even if I expect the price rising above $24777 to happen before this
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^ I though we were gonna put this in its own thread next timetm
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Fuckedy fuck with fucks on top Roll Eyes

Aren't trolls freaking forking hilarious?  Grin
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December 23, 2017, 06:07:22 PM

Huh? Oh, yeah. Got two of em. Almost willing to give one away just to get rid of the hassle of having to sell it. Thinking about buying one more too.

Let me guess. "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck"?

That's a zing.
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Creation of fiat is neccessary because they amount of goods, services, and people are constantly growing. If there was no new fiat, fiat would be deflationary and then nobody would spend it - only hoard it like bitcoins.

I understand. But thank you. Smiley

Not so fast. That's the keynesian version. That is the version of economics thats been in fashion since the end of WW2. It's because of that version of economics that we now have inflationary fiat money. It's supposed to make the money flow and thus increase GDP, and in the end everybody's wealth.

However, that system doesn't seem to work. It makes it impossible to save, and makes it necessary to borrow, witch in the end makes average Joe poorer, and makes the economy crash regularly.

The economic system used before WW2, and the system that cryptocurrencies belong to is called the Austrian school of economics. It basically says that money should not be inflationary, and people should be able to save for a rainy day. A dollar or whatever currency you use should still be wort the same in a 100 years time.
People will still consume, but they will save for their consumtion instead of borrowing for it. Bitcoin is a Austrian type of currency, and one with hyper deflation at that. Something never seen before, and a very interesting economic experiment

The future will probably see two parallel economics at work at the same time, where people will save in crypto, and borrow in fiat. This might either stabilize the economy or crash it. I think it will make it more stable, but only the future can tell.
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droppin' more Satoshis than a clumsy Japanese obstetrician   Cool
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December 23, 2017, 07:16:55 PM

Creation of fiat is neccessary because they amount of goods, services, and people are constantly growing. If there was no new fiat, fiat would be deflationary and then nobody would spend it - only hoard it like bitcoins.

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Does anyone remember computers? You used to have your money set aside to buy a computer...you go to the store and buy one, then a month later you find out that the same computer money has more value now, the computer you have is worth a lot less and you could have something better...if only you didn't spend that money on the computer and waited.

I guess the ad geniuses didn't think that through when they came up with those gizmos.
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Fuckedy fuck with fucks on top Roll Eyes

Aren't trolls freaking forking hilarious?  Grin

good morning sir :-D $20K close!!!~next leg coming rite upppp>_> weeeeee

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December 23, 2017, 07:31:34 PM

Creation of fiat is neccessary because they amount of goods, services, and people are constantly growing. If there was no new fiat, fiat would be deflationary and then nobody would spend it - only hoard it like bitcoins.

this



Does anyone remember computers? You used to have your money set aside to buy a computer...you go to the store and buy one, then a month later you find out that the same computer money has more value now, the computer you have is worth a lot less and you could have something better...if only you didn't spend that money on the computer and waited.

I guess the ad geniuses didn't think that through when they came up with those gizmos.
Yup, and that why so few of them are selling.
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December 23, 2017, 07:33:44 PM

Yeah, every trade is a taxable event to US persons. Whether that is buying coffee or litecoin. It is property according to the IRS.

Even if you thought you could get away with the like kind exchange rule, you still have to report every trade individually on the exemption form.

If it were classified as a stock, you could just report net gains and losses but not so with property.

They have made compliance nearly impossible so unless someone passes a law to exempt transactions prior to a certain date, a lot of people are going to owe back taxes and penalties if not jail time.
Simple solution: Become an expat.

Not so easy or simple, unfortunately. Have you heard of the Exit Tax? Capital gains are realized for high net worth individuals upon renouncing.

You still owe cap gains if you don't renounce and just expat. Unless you plan on just hiding and never setting foot in US again nor using any international banks cooperating with FinCen rules.

Puerto Rico offers tax free cap gains for residents, but you still owe on any gains realized up to the date you become a resident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/27/renounce-u-s-heres-how-irs-computes-exit-tax/#45c8627287d4

No, I actually haven't heard of the exit tax. It does make sense to some degree, or at least it would if taxes were legitimate in the first place. But regardless of whether or not you'd choose to pay what you "owe" before renouncing, it still doesn't sound like anyone who expects any significant profits should be staying in the US any longer than absolutely necessary for whatever individual circumstances.

Agreed. However, I'm suspecting you're not married or have many close family relations in the US? The moment I brought up renouncing to my wife, and that she would need to apply for visas to visit family, friends, etc., well... you can imagine the response. Although she's warming up to it proportionally to crypto value.

Which begs the question, how much is US citizenship worth? A US passport gets you in a lot of places without visas or trouble. Attaining citizenship in another country takes time and often a good deal of (traceable, taxable) fiat. Although being stateless is an option, it's not recommended for long. You have no rights, anywhere.




I think you can buy New Zealand citizenship and that will get you anywhere US citizenship will.  You can go buy mountain in Queenstown with all the hedge fund billionaires.

New Zealand is a very nice place to live. Come on down.
https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/investing-in-nz/visas/investor-visa

What's the weather like in NZ?

Depends on where you  live. Wellington is windy and gets a lot of rain, although the city is beautiful. I spent many years working in Wellington and I prefer it over Auckland. Auckland is nice but it has gotten expensive and crowded. Wine country of Hawkes Bay is fantastic.( Napier and Hastings) Great weather, many wineries, great food, fantastic bike riding.

The south island is extremely beautiful. I will be spending some more time there next year. So many great places. I want to go to Lake Tekapo. It is one of our dark sky reserves for seeing the night sky.


 
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