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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 10 (6.8%)
H2 2019 - 15 (10.1%)
H1 2020 - 29 (19.6%)
H2 2020 - 26 (17.6%)
H1 2021 - 12 (8.1%)
H2 2021 - 28 (18.9%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.1%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.7%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 3 (2%)
2024 or Later - 15 (10.1%)
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but I cannot read your misanthropy misogyny posts. Not in here anyway.

So you're either a cuck or female, of which, both of their opinions are worthless.  There's no "misogyny", simply an imbalance of nature where a bunch of dumb bimbos have managed to claw an ever increasing, unreasonable amount of power for themselves away from the natural order.  

Take the ridiculous Ocasio Cortez video on the news this morning of her dancing around in a circle like a fool.  If it was a man acting in that manner, they would be labeled either gay, a large child, a narcissist, a fool, or all of the above.  We are simply removing the double standards so Ocasio Cortez can be correctly labeled as some type of emotionally retarded, large child, narcissist fool just like a man would be.  Enjoy equality!



If all women were actually retarded Virgin Roach, then you might have a shot at getting one. Sucks for you though that they arent retarded so when they see you with your crazy paranoid facial expressions walking by they run. Shocked

Gembitz is a retarded hermaphrodite so thats why once we install the chips in your brain, you will get laid at the 100k party. By laid I mean you are gonna take it in the ass too.
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Of course these people are stupid giving a 100% chance bitcoin goes to a trillion dollars.  Just like I said the other day, people like Peter Thiel probably own tens of thousands of these dumb things and yet he still says 50-80% chance of bitcoin dying.  You're not going to be a very good investor if you make up illogical propaganda and try to get yourself to believe it.

I think we're on the verge of a new phase for bitcoin and crypto in general that none of us have seen before or are aware of what is around the corner.

There are 2 significant aspects of that "phase" that will drive everything forward - one is good (progress towards mass and institutional adoption, at least as a store of value if not a means of exchange), the other is (potentially) a huge lurking iceberg - and that is the spectre of widespread and deep regulation.

I didn't realise how profound this was until I started thinking about crypto from an "accounting" point of view. Then a whole lot of peices of the jigsaw suddenly made sense all at once:

 • the ongoing consolidation of defining crypto as property by regulatory authorities
 • the emergence of the new Google for cryptocurrency networks, known as "Cointracker" and the algos it uses calculate tax. (It was in fact built by ex-Google engineers)
 • the market movements of the last year - in particular the huge alt ratios that encouraged intense coin-to-coin trading at the precise moment when the bitcoin/fiat valuations were at an all time high

What is the significance of defining crypto as "property" (say, as opposed to "currency"). Basically is means that any exit from an address is considered a disposal rather than an expenditure. This is profoundbecause in the event of a cryptocurrency audit (either on an individual or organisation), "partial" information always favours the regulatory authority. For example, lets say:

 • you have a partial trading history which you provide during an audit.....

When that's analysed, a bottom line for your portfolio holdings will emerge (which will be wrong). If that "calculated" portfolio says we have more bitcoin than you actually have, then we'll simply be taxed on the "disposal". i.e. they've got you either way - either you can account for the location of funds or you simply end up with a huge tax bill.

 • off-exchange trading/expenditure

Same thing here. It ends up in the interest of holders to disclose all incidental exchanges of crypto for other crypto or for anything in fact, because any address that's identified as being owned by a certain party at any point in time, if later found to be "emptied" is a juicy candidate for taxation.

Nor are "obfuscated chains" any use. They will simply be regarded as "disposals". (i.e. any purchase of a "privacy coin" will be seen as a disposal and taxed accordingly).

This is already happening. The UK for example just issued unambiguous guidelines 1 month prior to this years filing deadline, so everybody that's short has to liquidate at the bottom of the market to pay tax on Jan 2018 prices. Pretty deadly !

However, once we've "taken the pain" and passed through this phase, the shoe will be on the other foot. The institutions will have the green light to pump everything to Kingdom Come and the moon will come into view. However by that time it will be better to have "regulatory clean" crypto than "regulatory dirty". I already had to liquidate 30% of my holdings cos of being caught in this trap. I see it as the cost of getting my holdings through this phase - out of the "dark" and into the "light".  I'm hoping it's worth it !  Tongue
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January 05, 2019, 03:22:08 PM

I think we're on the verge of a new phase for bitcoin and crypto in general that none of us have seen before or are aware of what is around the corner.

Toknormal, I have personally seen your posts about craptocurrency being voted +0, -14 on Zerohedge.  I think you highly overestimate the general public's acceptance of them.  This website is a fucking echo chamber of insanity. Physical metals will stomp shitcoins and it's evident from any type of polling on a real website whose entire purpose isn't to pump and dump these centralized, imaginary, valueless tokens.
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Physical metals will stomp shitcoins

You're dreaming. "Physical metals" don't exist in any liquid quantity. Paper metals is what you're referring to and they're loaded with as much hazard as crypto. (Except they don't benefit from being limited in supply).
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January 05, 2019, 03:26:34 PM
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Guys really, c'mon... I'm seeing 'This user is currently ignored.' ever other fucking post now...

Yup. These days this thread is 60% It Observer.

If I was running it It would've been given the immediate boot. A lot of time would've been saved and a lot more minds would've been expanded. I don't understand why It continues to be interacted with.

InB4 'free speech'.

What about 'shit and boring speech'?

In previous beariness this thread basically died. Now it seems to be gazing at its navel so intently the optic nerves will grow tendrils that disappear into the abdomen.
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January 05, 2019, 03:30:40 PM

Physical metals will stomp shitcoins
You're dreaming. "Physical metals" don't exist in any liquid quantity.

If I was dreaming, your posts shilling for craptocurrency would not be getting +0 upvotes, -14 downvotes on Zerohedge.  I don't even know what you're trying to claim about "no liquid quantity" of metals.  There is no liquidity problem, only the problem that nobody will agree to sell at a ESF/BIS downwardly rigged price.  Mark to market and there's fine liquidity.
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If I was dreaming, your posts shilling for craptocurrency would not be getting +0 upvotes, -14 downvotes on Zerohedge.  I don't even know what you're trying to claim about "no liquid quantity" of metals.  There is no liquidity problem, only the problem that nobody will agree to sell at a ESF/BIS downwardly rigged price.  Mark to market and there's fine liquidity.

realr0ach nobody gives a s* about physical metals except gold-gazer hoarders with nothing better to do. Gold holdings are a waste of space and didn't do a damn thing for their investors during the most inflationary fiat period in modern history. They are not exciting. You can't build anything with them, use them, transmit them or even trade them (without a handy van, ship or a lorry).

Ask yourself what is gold (as a monetary function) ? A ledger. That's all, except not quite as good a ledger as bitcoin. It was ok in physical market days but is about as useful as moth eaten parachute in the modern world. Bitcoin is not trying to be "electronic gold". Gold was trying to be a "physical bitcoin". Except it falls short in the area of fungibility, divisibility and transmissibility.
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January 05, 2019, 03:49:01 PM

If I was dreaming, your posts shilling for craptocurrency would not be getting +0 upvotes, -14 downvotes on Zerohedge.  I don't even know what you're trying to claim about "no liquid quantity" of metals.  There is no liquidity problem, only the problem that nobody will agree to sell at a ESF/BIS downwardly rigged price.  Mark to market and there's fine liquidity.

realr0ach nobody gives a s* about physical metals except gold-gazer hoarders with nothing better to do. They are not exciting. You can't build anything with them.

You're not supposed to "build anything with them".  Money is supposed to be boring and unchanging, otherwise it's not fungible, and fungibility is required of money.  This is why you get so many downvotes on your Zerohedge posts. You just try to make up random bullshit and redefine what money is on the fly.

Money, not currency, has required traits and these arguments have already been had and settled over the course of thousands of years with people like Aristotle and Plato.  Aristole won, Plato lost.  Unless you buy into Plato Keynesianism and believe money can be a centralized, arbitrary instrument run by the govt.  You also type the same dumpster truck load of complete bullshit all shitcoiners do claiming they're decentralized when they're not.

Transaction validators are designed to centralize in every single one.  They're nothing but permissioned ledgers and govt tracking systems in practice.  They have built-in middlemen and do not remove counterparty risk even if they weren't designed to centralize.  So basically every single thing you type is a flat out pump and dumper lie.  Shitcoins do not qualify as money in any circumstance.  Currency - sure, because almost anything can be a currency; money - no.
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Am I the only one that noticed Toknormal spent 24 hours a day for several years in a row shilling for Darkcoin and then he just claimed fungibility doesn't matter and he sold them?  And you wonder why I get physically ill talking to shitcoiners and with their constant flow of lies and bullshit.
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Aristotle and Plato.

As far as I can see only reason you keep typing this sh* on here is because you don't believe your own arguments and want us to validate them for you.

So far you're losing the argument (in case you hadn't noticed) - probably because you didn't take into account what made gold valuable in the first place which was its monetary function, not the fact that it's a nice "shiny metal" which has served as money for "thousands of years".

There is no conflict between PMs and bitcoin. They are "money" for the same reason, just in different media. Their respective relevance simply depends on the amount of commerce which is conducted on each platform. If most of it is "electronic" then bitcoin will be the more relevant and valuable. If most of it is "physical" (i.e. exchanging physical tokens for goods) then metals will be.

14 down votes on Zerohedge ? Hold them precious ! You may need them as a comfort blanket Wink
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and still so many not knowing anything about crypto, think in the few coming years a lot will be changing in that.... Smiley
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14 down votes on Zerohedge ? Hold them precious ! You may need them as a comfort blanket Wink

It's evidence of the fact your lies about claiming bitcoin qualifies as money when it has none of the traits required of money only work on this website and nowhere else.  That's why your claims are downvoted to oblivion on other sites like Zerohedge.  Shitcoins are currencies like Delta Airline miles or Chuck E Cheese tokens, not money.  They have built-in middlemen and don't remove counterparty risk either.  

Dan Larimer calls craptocurrencies "a decentralized business".  He doesn't even attempt to hide the fact they all have a bunch of rent seeking middlemen built-in.  I don't need to ask permission if I want to move a gold or silver coin. If you want to do the same in craptocurrency, prepare to ask permission and pay an exorbitant ransom fee to a designed to centralize, miner monopoly/gatekeeper.  The whole shitcoin industry is a house of cards of lies.
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If I was dreaming, your posts shilling for craptocurrency would not be getting +0 upvotes, -14 downvotes on Zerohedge.  I don't even know what you're trying to claim about "no liquid quantity" of metals.  There is no liquidity problem, only the problem that nobody will agree to sell at a ESF/BIS downwardly rigged price.  Mark to market and there's fine liquidity.

realr0ach nobody gives a s* about physical metals except gold-gazer hoarders with nothing better to do. Gold holdings are a waste of space and didn't do a damn thing for their investors during the most inflationary fiat period in modern history. They are not exciting. You can't build anything with them, use them, transmit them or even trade them (without a handy van, ship or a lorry).

Ask yourself what is gold (as a monetary function) ? A ledger. That's all, except not quite as good a ledger as bitcoin. It was ok in physical market days but is about as useful as moth eaten parachute in the modern world. Bitcoin is not trying to be "electronic gold". Gold was trying to be a "physical bitcoin". Except it falls short in the area of fungibility, divisibility and transmissibility.

I don't know how old Roach is but if he thinks he can retire from silver few decades from now, not going to happen.

The prices on Earth will completly collapse when space mining starts.

Precious metals like gold, iridium, silver, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium, ruthenium, iron, cobalt, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, aluminium, and titanium are there in huge quantities. Maybe we find new undiscovered metals in the process.

Eventually Bitcoin will replace the gold standard.
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January 05, 2019, 04:21:28 PM

Ok guys, WO talk now. If we look at 3D RSI we can see a clear divergence but low volume during the painfully obvious swing rejection is seeming more and more like a bull trap to me. If we don't crack 3980 again by mid January (clear short term reversal) then we are going down again. Probably to 3.3k Maybe lower. Either way, next 1D breakout soon, Bollinger Bands squeezing, Choppiness Index indicates breakout very soon.

Breakout to 3548 likely.
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It's evidence of the fact your lies about claiming bitcoin qualifies as money...

It's evidence of people voting for their book.

There are plenty of valid arguments against bitcoin propagating as "money", but they're not the ones you're presenting as you're too wedded to associations with "the physical". Keep wishing for the "Mad Max" moment, then you might at last have a point. But then dogfood might be just as attractive as gold so maybe you should add a few tins to your portfolio just to be on the safe side Wink
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The prices on Earth will completly collapse when space mining starts.

It's so economical, cheap, and hazard free to just wander around jacking off in space that not a single person has attempted to go to the moon since 60 years ago.  Why do you even type such dumb shit?  The cost of production for an ounce of space gold would be $1 million+ dollars.
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I don't know how old Roach is but if he thinks he can retire from silver few decades from now, not going to happen.

Precious metals like gold, iridium, silver, osmium, palladium, platinum, rhenium, rhodium, ruthenium, iron, cobalt, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, aluminium, and titanium are there in huge quantities. Maybe we find new undiscovered metals in the process. The prices on Earth will completly collapse when space mining starts.

Eventually Bitcoin will replace the gold standard.

The space mining argument is just not going to cut it. It costs billions of dollars ATM just to land a probe on an asteroid. It's even more expensive to attempt to return a small sample to Earth. We are a long way off to make such an operation profitable. The only way this starts to become feasible is if we first colonize the heavenly bodies. Then the mining would just supply the local population at first.
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