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[JayJuanGee]

Well, this is putting the 100K party Vegas location in jeopardy.

I thought it was agreed that we wouldn't do the party in the US, for our various international friends who have problems stepping onto US soil ?

Canada in the summer is nice (British Columbia ?), although I think somewhere in Europe might be an alternative (Spain ? The Netherlands ? Belgium ? Someplace that has no trouble with English)

Mexico or anywhere South America are out of contention for security reasons.

I have trouble getting out of the US, might make it into Canada, the Caribbean would actually be the easiest to pull off for me.

It was always going to be very impractical opsec-wise to have one huge party.
We're going to have to decentralise this thing.
One in Vegas, one in Canada, one in Amsterdam, one in my garden if the weather's nice

You are suggesting a kind of simultaneous and multiple locations thingie-ma-jiggie?

Would that mean that a certain minimum number of WO peeps would have to be present at each location in order for that location to count as an official $100k WO "hotspot?"  It would seem kind of strange to me to allow only one person to be present, and for the spot to count, so I am having some trouble with the logistical and logical specifics in this regard, but I surely do like the idea of a kind of OpSec preservation attempt... I also believe in the concept of security through obscurity, so in that regards, OpSec would not have to be "perfect" in order for it to be substantially and materially sufficient.   So, in those kinds of circumstances, I might even agree to attend such a "party," when otherwise, I might have told you WO "goofballs" (endearment intended) to go fuck u r lil selfies.   

[P_Shep]

Well, this is putting the 100K party Vegas location in jeopardy.

I thought it was agreed that we wouldn't do the party in the US, for our various international friends who have problems stepping onto US soil ?

Canada in the summer is nice (British Columbia ?), although I think somewhere in Europe might be an alternative (Spain ? The Netherlands ? Belgium ? Someplace that has no trouble with English)

Mexico or anywhere South America are out of contention for security reasons.

I have trouble getting out of the US, might make it into Canada, the Caribbean would actually be the easiest to pull off for me.

It was always going to be very impractical opsec-wise to have one huge party.
We're going to have to decentralise this thing.
One in Vegas, one in Canada, one in Amsterdam, one in my garden if the weather's nice

You are suggesting a kind of simultaneous and multiple locations thingie-ma-jiggie?

Would that mean that a certain minimum number of WO peeps would have to be present at each location in order for that location to count as an official $100k WO "hotspot?"  It would seem kind of strange to me to allow only one person to be present, and for the spot to count, so I am having some trouble with the logistical and logical specifics in this regard, but I surely do like the idea of a kind of OpSec preservation attempt... I also believe in the concept of security through obscurity, so in that regards, OpSec would not have to be "perfect" in order for it to be substantially and materially sufficient.   So, in those kinds of circumstances, I might even agree to attend such a "party," when otherwise, I might have told you WO "goofballs" (endearment intended) to go fuck u r lil selfies.   

Security through obscurity?

[gentlemand]

The way I see it, there are 2 types of people here.

1-Those who want go girls, yachts, private jets, foam party, monaco, ibiza, Vegas (ffs :p)... you get the picture. Ultra rich party. Snipers' dream.

2-Those who want to get together and drink some beers and maybe do some crazy stuff later in the night.   (not too crazy, we don't wanna break any laws)

Looking at number 1 all we have to do is check the various 'blockchain cruises' as cautionary tales - Ukranian hostesses either crying or yawning, crypto bros dry humping pianos, the autistic ones hiding in their cabins and texting into the great nothingness.

You need something compelling, bonding and memorable. I would suggest planning and executing a raid on an Al-Shabaab base in a remote area of Somalia.

[P_Shep]

On the security front, I was wondering (and I know very little about encryption) can you encrypt a message with the public key of a BTC transaction and have it only decrypted by the private key of said transaction?
In which case you could ensure secure comms to the parties who sent in deposits. Of course you can never guarantee said party won't divulge said comms, but maybe a start?

[serveria.com]

The way I see it, there are 2 types of people here.

1-Those who want go girls, yachts, private jets, foam party, monaco, ibiza, Vegas (ffs :p)... you get the picture. Ultra rich party. Snipers' dream.

2-Those who want to get together and drink some beers and maybe do some crazy stuff later in the night.   (not too crazy, we don't wanna break any laws)

I don't think those 2 groups can come together and find a common ground.

Dude says $50k/head for a party.

Below $50,000.00 per head.

I mean, my 'reasonable' figure of 0.2 now is ~$1,700.
Pretty much just looking at hiring out a shitty nightclub in Ibiza for that price.

LoL $20k managable but still too much.

But why would you want to wait for the 100k party to meet and drink some beers? Just like Mic and LFC did recently? We can do it any time: tomorrow, in a week, next month etc etc

What makes a difference is most of wo members getting filthy rich and celebrating this fact. That's the whole reason behind the 100k party.  

[serveria.com]

Btw count me in for the 100k party.
What's the deposit? Where do I send it? (Tranche of random addresses in 3, 2...)

Don't recall anyone suggesting the only place one of the wealthy elite would party... Monaco.
Granprix weekend would be the cherry on top.

Monaco is a fooking shithole filled with arseholes. A weekend in a bail hostel in a Detroit ghetto would be classier.

I was thinking the exact same thing about Ibiza, which I recall someone mentioning.

In the end, as much as I'd like to see it, I don't REALLY see it happening.
It will require someone with the ability, means and will to step up to the plate and organise. I mean, it's a BIG task. Just look at choosing the location, let alone the venue.
...Then factor in all the requests/demands of the kind you'd expect from the people in this thread. Think about that for a moment. Be enough to drive anyone mad.

Nice idea though. Hope it does happen, and so long as the logistics work out, I'm in.

What were the thoughts per head? 0.2BTC doesn't seem entirely unreasonable to me. Def has to be below 0.5 though.

Below 0.5 now or below 0.5 then? It's a huge difference you know  

Below $50,000.00 per head.

I mean, my 'reasonable' figure of 0.2 now is ~$1,700.
Pretty much just looking at hiring out a shitty nightclub in Ibiza for that price.

Well I guess you had a really traumatizing experience in Ibiza. That island is not only about shitty nightclubs. You can rent a decent villa somewhere off a beaten track...    

[mindrust]

But why would you want to wait for the 100k party to meet and drink some beers? Just like Mic and LFC did recently? We can do it any time: tomorrow, in a week, next month etc etc

What makes a difference is most of wo members getting filthy rich and celebrating this fact. That's the whole reason behind the 100k party.  

I guess you have a point.

I just realized I am not going to be rich enough for the $100k party even when BTC hits $100k. Thanks for making me realize.  

Thinking about getting in XMR to make 2x, what do you say globbo?


https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/gZoLhKtd-Monero/

The chart looks OK. (not that OK, but I don't think this is going lower forever) Then maybe I can afford the party.  

[gentlemand]

I don't need a bunch of whores trying to lie our new found wealth out of us, I don't need some crazy shit that will make me see everything as a goat with milk dripping from its horns or anything, I don't need to go to somewhere and wear a suit to pretend im something (Im not craig)

Agreed. And in the spirit of Craig I would fork the party and have a protest one outside the venue on plastic chairs serving mayonnaise sandwiches and out of date cans of beer.

[P_Shep]

The way I see it, there are 2 types of people here.

1-Those who want go girls, yachts, private jets, foam party, monaco, ibiza, Vegas (ffs :p)... you get the picture. Ultra rich party. Snipers' dream.

2-Those who want to get together and drink some beers and maybe do some crazy stuff later in the night.   (not too crazy, we don't wanna break any laws)

Looking at number 1 all we have to do is check the various 'blockchain cruises' as cautionary tales - Ukranian hostesses either crying or yawning, crypto bros dry humping pianos, the autistic ones hiding in their cabins and texting into the great nothingness.

You need something compelling, bonding and memorable. I would suggest planning and executing a raid on an Al-Shabaab base in a remote area of Somalia.

Fuck I just want to get a couple of beers and make fun of some of ya to your face, I want to raise pint and have a cheers to the shit we saw, what we emotionally went through (Fuck I'd say one of our own members being hunted down by a fucking government is a big fucking deal) and just having a good time and hearing stories about goofey shit and knocking on each other.

I don't need a bunch of whores trying to lie our new found wealth out of us, I don't need some crazy shit that will make me see everything as a goat with milk dripping from its horns or anything, I don't need to go to somewhere and wear a suit to pretend im something (Im not craig)

Fuck 100k, we should just have a get together regardless.

Need two parties then:
-Extroverts
-Introverts

[Toxic2040]

The way I see it, there are 2 types of people here.

1-Those who want go girls, yachts, private jets, foam party, monaco, ibiza, Vegas (ffs :p)... you get the picture. Ultra rich party. Snipers' dream.

2-Those who want to get together and drink some beers and maybe do some crazy stuff later in the night.   (not too crazy, we don't wanna break any laws)

I don't think those 2 groups can come together and find a common ground.

Dude says $50k/head for a party.

Below $50,000.00 per head.

I mean, my 'reasonable' figure of 0.2 now is ~$1,700.
Pretty much just looking at hiring out a shitty nightclub in Ibiza for that price.

LoL $20k managable but still too much.

I have several requirements..its a distinct fact that many will not agree to such terms.

1- It has to be in a private venue. I do not want to be disturbed.
2- We must have full catering and open wet bar. I dont know about you but I like to eat and drink when I party.
3- There must be a band. At the very least a kick ass DJ.
4- It will be a 21 and over event. Period.
5- Must have a smoking area.
6- Sleeping quarters attached or near by.


Other than those things it can be as simple or elaborate as we desire.

I will forewarn you all however, I have had years of practice at partying and I am pretty damn good at it if I do say so myself. So prepare thyselves.  

Looking at number 1 all we have to do is check the various 'blockchain cruises' as cautionary tales - Ukranian hostesses either crying or yawning, crypto bros dry humping pianos, the autistic ones hiding in their cabins and texting into the great nothingness.

You need something compelling, bonding and memorable. I would suggest planning and executing a raid on an Al-Shabaab base in a remote area of Somalia.

+1 WOsMerit

[jojo69]

I would suggest planning and executing a raid on an Al-Shabaab base in a remote area of Somalia.

that...

sounds like a blast!

[JayJuanGee]

[edited out]
 

  if Satoshi wanted changes he would be adding them himself and the community would accept them or not.

If satoshi had wanted changes in bitcoin, he would have stuck around past 2010.

Whether such exit was voluntary or forced may not matter too much, but after satoshi left, bitcoin was forced to develop without cult of personality of one individual or group and became the coin that it is today... not exactly stagnant, but had gone through a few battles, including attacks in 2017.. but also success in 2017 to accomplish segwit adoption and implementation that is still being built today from a community of smart peeps.

Otherwise, I agree with you, that if satoshi were to come back into the bitcoin picture (which seems quite unlikely since he left over 8 years ago), then the most logical way to contribute to bitcoin would be to make a proposal through the BIP process, which seems quite alive in bitcoinlandia...

The bolded is patently false, there are forces that cannot be controlled.

AFA conjectures if the entity satoshi returns I would postulate it would be a relaunch of a different design.

In essence, I am a bit confused about what you are asserting, here.

Seems that the most logical explanation regarding Satoshi is that he disappeared on purpose.

Furthermore, consistent with him (or they or whatever the fuck) leaving "on purpose" is that there would need to be absolutely compelling tragedy circumstances in order for him or they or whatever the fuck to revisit a seemingly earlier sound (and seemingly foolproof) decision and to come out of the closet.  In other words, the world and/or bitcoin better be the fuck on fire for such a justification, and neither the world nor bitcoin is anywhere near such compelling circumstances... and along those same lines of reasoning, there is absolutely nothing wrong with bitcoin and/or its progression (from a likely satoshi point of view), and if you really ponder the current circumstances of our bitcoin matter, it seems to be quite likely that bitcoin is progressing beyond (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) expectations (or at least within the parameters of "best case scenarios").

In other words, your response to my earlier comment seems to come off with a suggestion that any current satoshi thinking would more easily consider intervention into bitcoin based on a kind of ongoing concern about the level of brokenness of bitcoin than seems to be reasonably and logically inferable from actual facts and the current success level of bitcoin.

[El duderino_]

The way I see it, there are 2 types of people here.

1-Those who want go girls, yachts, private jets, foam party, monaco, ibiza, Vegas (ffs :p)... you get the picture. Ultra rich party. Snipers' dream.

2-Those who want to get together and drink some beers and maybe do some crazy stuff later in the night.   (not too crazy, we don't wanna break any laws)

I don't think those 2 groups can come together and find a common ground.

Which is one very good reason why I don't think it'll happen.

I think it might be more like 2 (imo), come together see who we been talking to and stuff...
Something Nice but still where one and other can hear each other....
Also we Will be from different ages so imo something quiet 1-2-3 days or something like a weekend would be perfect, everybody has his place to sleep and stay as he wishes and just knows the place where we can meet hang out, who decides to go and party @night is there own dowing and NP with me, but like me and LFC we just meet @ a place with commen interest, but didn’t crushed the night we have had a few beers and sangria but we where no animals also cause a little sunburn and stuff (the guy was in the burning sun for 8hours straight or something with his lovely GF)
I was 3 hours or something and even had a minor burn........
I do think when the time is there one member (BoB or somebody) has to send 30-40 WO members a PM using privenote or whatever with a request for destination (or 2 choices) the one thats been chosen most = where we go.... Then how it Will look is a surprise and I think with a group as we are, the price Will be very OK and not to crazy like with 100-200K we can have a Nice location just to sit, chill, relax, drink something and meet and stuff.... its not like Beyoncé has to come and sing or Some actors have to keep us busy and need to be hired ??

Then again we still ad almost 10% of the meet up “goal”

Also we have to think about every contributing WO’r and the meet up must be reasonable to go to for every WO’r....
Also like a majority has chosen a place a would think we just have to agree with that

[Ibian]

I don't need a bunch of whores trying to lie our new found wealth out of us, I don't need some crazy shit that will make me see everything as a goat with milk dripping from its horns or anything, I don't need to go to somewhere and wear a suit to pretend im something (Im not craig)

Agreed. And in the spirit of Craig I would fork the party and have a protest one outside the venue on plastic chairs serving mayonnaise sandwiches and out of date cans of beer.

That sounds a lot more relaxing, actually. Personally I don't intend on throwing gobs of money away just because I have them, they need to last. Don't wanna ever have to worry about something as slavish as a job ever again.

[El duderino_]

Just read the last things Maybe BoB and Toxic should team UP

He has the right mind for it

[serveria.com]

I don't need a bunch of whores trying to lie our new found wealth out of us, I don't need some crazy shit that will make me see everything as a goat with milk dripping from its horns or anything, I don't need to go to somewhere and wear a suit to pretend im something (Im not craig)

Agreed. And in the spirit of Craig I would fork the party and have a protest one outside the venue on plastic chairs serving mayonnaise sandwiches and out of date cans of beer.

F*ck you made my day! This is freaking hilarious!  

[Globb0]

these days Amsterdam is full of tourists and tacky as hell.

Went to Holland a lot, same though went off Dam.

We found an awesome place called Haarlem.

Back to super cool.

[infofront]

Definitely not the States or Middle/South America or Africa or Asia or Russia or the Stans.

So Europe. Suggest mainland rather than an island for those who, for whatever reason, prefer not to fly and like the ability to leave at any time without anyone else's permission.

Portugal hasn't been mentioned, though it has stunning beaches, legal Jah Weed, and is used to visitors.

I'm okay with any first world location. Somewhere near beaches or other tourist attractions (i.e. Paris) preferred.

I think you "anywhere but the US" guys are a little optimistic about the situation in most EU countries. Whatever you're afraid of the US government about, the EU is just as bad - a little better in some aspects, and a little worse in others.

[Globb0]

But why would you want to wait for the 100k party to meet and drink some beers? Just like Mic and LFC did recently? We can do it any time: tomorrow, in a week, next month etc etc

What makes a difference is most of wo members getting filthy rich and celebrating this fact. That's the whole reason behind the 100k party.  

I guess you have a point.

I just realized I am not going to be rich enough for the $100k party even when BTC hits $100k. Thanks for making me realize.  

Thinking about getting in XMR to make 2x, what do you say globbo?


https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRBTC/gZoLhKtd-Monero/

The chart looks OK. (not that OK, but I don't think this is going lower forever) Then maybe I can afford the party.  

I continue to hold my balls.

I may be the poor one at the 100k party,


A drink sir?

[JayJuanGee]

so they did what could be labeled as  a "reverseMtGox" stunt?  

Whoaza!!!

600Watt.  Thought that you fell off of the face of the bitcoin earth.  What have you been doing?  Ignoring Bitcoin?

hehe, sort of did I guess. I just came back to tell you guys that bear market is over.  

price was around $3500 on stamp when i came back to bitcointalk after a 10month break. unfortunately I did not listen to my own words and kept a 1/3 of my powder dry for that "dip to $1000". had to buy back all the way up to 7k region because of denial/stupidity/awe/"big retrace coming"/6k mother-of-all-resistance crap.

Holy fucking shit!!!!!!

For as much of a bitcoin maximalist that you present yourself as, preserving 1/3 of your stash at those sub $4k prices seems to have been too much (and the actual play out of the BTC price dynamics seems to have shown that). 

I can sympathize to some extent because who the fuck knows, but at the same time, when any of us make those kinds of mistakes, then hopefully we can learn from those kinds of mistakes to make improvements in our actual practices.

By the way, even though my above comments likely come off as kind of harsh, we are sharing information in a public thread, and surely sometimes we are likely to share "real" facts that make us vulnerable to public criticisms and it takes a decent amount of courage to make such admissions.

Personally, I have some difficulties sharing some of my mistakes in regards to my early 2017 hacking circumstances, but I think that some of my reluctance is largely motivated by Opsec concerns rather than admitting ways that I made mistakes and lost bitcoin in the process of the bullshit jeopardy position that I had put my coins in by what retrospectively appears to have been my lackadaisical way of securing some of my personal information, including my phone line(s), email addresses, and even some of the my failures to adequately investigate into advantages and disadvantages of 2-factor authentication tools.