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Bob, i hope this isn't the last time you go down this rabbit hole!
It won't be. Plan to revisit in at least another 18 months.

#LNMETA

Some more thoughts on being a top 250 LND node op... Again...

- This was a good learning experience, compared to my first experience of needing to hand-roll all the LND/c-lightning stuff from source, and compile bitcoind with zmq support. Throwing A LOT more liquidity at it this time really helped me get a sense of what it takes to be a big boi on the Lightning Network

- Learned more about the "quantum" state of liquidity. Eg: LOOP experiments draining my liquidity, putting in a "quantum state", where I can't regain that bound liquidity for use, until I wrap everything up via "lncli closeallchannels" sorta deal

- Avoid LOOP. It's a liquidity drain, and pure profit chasing - Opened 3 wumbo channels with LOOP before I learned my lesson of avoiding them entirely. Was pissed off all that liquidity was lost to me in "quantum space"

- Many nodes are parasites (like LOOP) - They will drain all your liquidity to their side, and nothing flows back your way in some cases (ln.nicehash), to even get you back into organic balance. LOOP being the most egregious, because they will just close your channel on you when they've sucked enough liquidity out of you, and don't even have the fucking decency to leave the channel open, for you to recoup routes back your way. Pure vampirism and it disgusts me.

- Was very impressed with Umbrel. Was a bit disappointed to learn about the apparent background drama of Umbrel pretty much being a clone of another popular distro (RaspiBlitz?) but they've really added a good layer of polish onto node distros, and love the ability to reset your node back to it's "last good known state" just by entering your Umbrel seed words.

- With the increased popularity of Umbrel, and other very well maintained node distros, Lightning looks like it's really shaping up well in terms of "now everyone can run a server" - It's as simple as getting a Raspi4, a 2TB SSD drive, half a brain, and you can start having fun dipping your toes into Lightning, pretty safely and cheaply.

- Rebalancing: Absolute nightmare. After further consideration, with Rick having looked over the scripts, and understanding the nature of what it's doing and the problems that need to be solved, it's not an easy problem, mostly owing to the constantly fluctuating state of the network.

 Every channel you are trying to rebalance has to get tested across MANY routes. Some of them good, some of them bad. Due to a function of how the LN works, you *HAVE* to check every node, on every route, every time - and there are A LOT of bad nodes out there that are not responsive, and the rebalancers don't remember the state of which nodes are bad, when balancing from one channel to the next one, because - well, the nodes could have popped back up again since you last checked - Needs more logic for how to handle "bad" peers organically. The onus is on the person running the script, to exclude nodes to check, and when you have 100+ channels, fuck that hand-management reconciliation noise.

- I was definitely chasing profits. This is what was leading to the stress in my life, overall, and it was starting to impact me in meatspace pretty badly. I'm not satisfied "just leaving" something to run. If I'm going to run a node, I'm going to be an active manager, and look at this like getting into mining for profit. Don't have any interest in passively running a LN node. I'm either going to do it right, or not at all. Chasing LN node profits was more frustrating than running a mining farm - A comparative cakewalk.

- Meatspace is becoming increasingly complex for me for a little bit, and running the node was becoming negative energy, that I am desperately seeking to rid my life of, at this stage.

- Torque basically summed it up best
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BCash is actually lower in price now than it was during the flippening. Everyone should have dumped it back then immediately.

Exactly. I wonder how BCH/BSV holders feel now...

HoDLing BTC, and only BTC, has proven, time and time again, to be the optimal strategy. Simple recipe, few ingredients, great profits, and support for a greater cause. Just add time.
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What is this dump all about? Haven't seen any more negative Ukraine news. Maybe the Fed is back at it again
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Bob, i hope this isn't the last time you go down this rabbit hole!

It won't be. Plan to revisit in at least another 18 months.

You better!!!  You ended up with almost 0.15 of my BTC!

Which really just increased my incoming liquidity a significant portion on both nodes!  So it is all good! I am just messing.  In fact this was one of the realizations that helped me over the hump i think made you frustrated.

Individual channel balance is ONE thing... but overall NODE balance is another, and arguably more important.  Stagnant channels are what I have begun to look at with the horse eye... but on the other hand they are not really HURTING anything.  And I have had channels about the size of ours chronically end up on one side of the string, and then BOOM sweep back over on their own accord...

Anyway... I will keep looking at channel management over the next 18 months with a current eye to just letting the node manage itself for a while.  And I will let you know what I learn in 18m or whenever!
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Given everything going on in my life, managing a LN node is more negative, parasitic energy that has complicated my life beyond any rational measure.

I need to step away, for my own mental health and sanity.

Geez - I've been away for several quarters, and the news don't change. AKA history repeats

Managing high end technology issues -which will be resolved irrevocable in the foreseeable future- in Bob's current stressful personal life - he just needs a break to get things sorted- has nothing to do with supporting your beloved bCash SV, which has plummeted to oblivion, like we all expected it that history will repeat itself endlessly with all shitcoins. Giving that, youre shattered shitcoin dreams meets harsh reality while Lightning is vigorous flourishing in all metrics like never before.



Aww, jbreher is back for 5 minutes and you smack him!  C'mon...  at least let him get in ONE jab first. Smiley
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OT: https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1495163814412951552

Wow, so if a Canadian peaceful protester decides to just go home, the police will still hunt you down and persecute you without cause or justification? What a dystopian, Orwellian nightmare police state that Canada has now become.

I hate to say it, but Canada is now making Commiefornia look like an ideal place to live.

And I'm sure we won't be seeing any George Floyd style protests for this poor guy or any outrage from the MSM, probably because he miraculously lived.  Roll Eyes

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"We’re from the government and we’re here to keep you safe from Covid."


The part that is really starting to worry me is the fact that so many Canadians (and Americans) are supporting this, and even more that the majority of people (everywhere) do not see that this is not about a protest.  This is a planned action.  A takeover.  And it is probably just the opening act of the plan in this hemisphere.

Joe Biden famously said that the second amendment does not protect you if you are fighting the Nuclear weapon wielding US military.
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/06/23/remarks-by-president-biden-and-attorney-general-garland-on-gun-crime-prevention-strategy/

Well, Mr. "President".  You will need to send one of your jets to my home then.

Where he is wrong is the fact that some of us have decided that if it comes to it we will call that bet, and we will die fighting.   I am one of those.  I would rather be remembered by my descendants as someone who fought against the tyranny than as a coward that stood by as evil men tried to take control of the world.

I have begun preparing for this possibility, and will be as ready as possible.  My biggest hope is that there will be members of the military and police of western democracies who will also stand up.  That includes any of you three letter people reading this.  And I have no desire to die or even fight, but I will.  I also hope my state considers taking a stand if the time comes.

Currently, personally I have only met a very few of my GenX brethren that see it... the boomers are too busy trying to suck up as much new money as possible, and the Millennials and Zoomers are rolling out the red carpet for the communists.  Hopefully it is not just my nihilist generation that is left to save the west... lol.
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oh and tons of tear gas and rubber bullets.  good memories.

I remember when they did this outside the white house just so Trump could take a stroll down the road and hold up a bible outside a church, good memories indeed  Cheesy

Keep playing the "my side good, your side bad" game to the very end if you want the plan that is unfolding to work.  The polarization of every kind of group has been building for decades, and it too is part of the plan to destroy the west.
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Before you get all mad at me, and Batslap me... I am NOT making a case for a shitcoin.  I am just being honest about a feature of bitcoin that we need to come to grips with, and the sooner we do the better.

Careful there, brother - you're deviating from the anointed canon. You might be drawn and quartered over the coals.

Yea, yeah.  I know.  I do try to respect this thread's bias (or basic thesis), and agree with it for the vast most part.  AND I think privacy in bitcoin is VERY IMPORTANT to fight for.  So I bring it up trying to speak as little for the one shitcoin I like... but of course that shitcoin comes up because well... it is doing something important.  Buy again, I try to avoid stirring that up in here very much, lol... I may have overstepped a little this time.  Ah well.
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Before you get all mad at me, and Batslap me... I am NOT making a case for a shitcoin.  I am just being honest about a feature of bitcoin that we need to come to grips with, and the sooner we do the better.

Careful there, brother - you're deviating from the anointed canon. You might be drawn and quartered over the coals.

Yea, yeah.  I know.  I do try to respect this thread's bias (or basic thesis), and agree with it for the vast most part.  AND I think privacy in bitcoin is VERY IMPORTANT to fight for.  So I bring it up trying to speak as little for the one shitcoin I like... but of course that shitcoin comes up because well... it is doing something important.  Buy again, I try to avoid stirring that up in here very much, lol... I may have overstepped a little this time.  Ah well.

Don't listen to jbreher. He is wrong of course, as usual.

Arguing for more privacy in Bitcoin, which you were doing, is completely fine here. Most would agree. And I don't think anyone would protest if more privacy functionality made its way into Bitcoin.

-but-

Arguing here that some forked shitcoin created by either Roger/Jihan or CSW has actual value, like jbreher likes to do, is completely asinine. The market has spoken on that.

Big difference.
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The part that is really starting to worry me is the fact that so many Canadians (and Americans) are supporting this, and even more that the majority of people (everywhere) do not see that this is not about a protest.  This is a planned action.  A takeover.  And it is probably just the opening act of the plan in this hemisphere.

Joe Biden famously said that the second amendment does not protect you if you are fighting the Nuclear weapon wielding US military.
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What’s happened is that there have never been — if you wanted or if you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/06/23/remarks-by-president-biden-and-attorney-general-garland-on-gun-crime-prevention-strategy/

Well, Mr. "President".  You will need to send one of your jets to my home then.

Where he is wrong is the fact that some of us have decided that if it comes to it we will call that bet, and we will die fighting.   I am one of those.  I would rather be remembered by my descendants as someone who fought against the tyranny than as a coward that stood by as evil men tried to take control of the world.

I have begun preparing for this possibility, and will be as ready as possible.  My biggest hope is that there will be members of the military and police of western democracies who will also stand up.  That includes any of you three letter people reading this.  And I have no desire to die or even fight, but I will.  I also hope my state considers taking a stand if the time comes.

Currently, personally I have only met a very few of my GenX brethren that see it... the boomers are too busy trying to suck up as much new money as possible, and the Millennials and Zoomers are rolling out the red carpet for the communists.  Hopefully it is not just my nihilist generation that is left to save the west... lol.

Chin Up there Cowboy!
There's a LOT more Boomer support than you think and even a decent sampling of underfunded and still a bit Green Millenials... but the Zoomers are likely lost. So yea, X is the front line.
Just know that the "Blue Ridge" is a formidable (and not so thin) Blue Line.
Lots of resources, both Natural & Stockpiled... I think we'll be Aight... but it won't be pretty.


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Nah dude there is only the Boomer support. Millenials are starting to distance themselves or choose different projects that they see fit for their Portfolios.


I been talking with some friends from America that Blue Ridge is a nice place to search for Gold Nuggets. Most fun one to find fine and nugget gold is Coker Creek . Might be a fun weekend if anyone decides to explore there Smiley
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