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I don't claim to know the answer(s), but I do appreciate that bitcoin is similar to gold, but at the same time it is different from gold, too.

Like according to my understanding of your these words i think the the similarities between Gold and BTC are the store of Value ( Reserve ) and potential asset to control the Devaluation but Gold can Devalue if Supply increase.

But Difference is Decentralization, More reach to the community as compared to the Government and Centeral hands Fix in term of Supply So Devaluation not possible even if Continues Capital gained by BTC value will be like a Vertical Line towards Sky always.
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Bro Really How much time you took to compose it.

I was not keeping track, and I usually do not disclose that kind of largely irrelevant information anyhow. 

Nonetheless, I feel like I rambled quite a bit in my last two posts.... ...

Anyhow I got all what you said. Personally i try to avoid the Shitcoins talk reason some of Our community memeber don't like and its the rightthing that this thread is for BTC Only.

I personally do not have any problem bringing up shitcoins as long as it does not appear that you are pumping them, because that ends up devolving into everyone and his/her pet rabbit wanting to talk about his/her favorite shitcoin or even to talk about which shitcoin is the least shitty of the 16k shitcoins out there.  Gets old and distracting, quickly.

Unlike Your point of Some advancement in Shitcoins and the their experimental excersise made some inovation as the concept of tokenizing anything which seems attractive to user many of the Crypto users made Massive money from Shitcoins.

Did I say that you cannot make money from shitcoins?

Did we ever concede that this should be the money making thread?

Last time I checked, this was not the thread about how many ways to make money blah blah blah..

Many of us here already know that you can make money with various shitcoins, but merely because you might have made some money with shitcoin 1, 2 or shitcoin 548 does not all of a sudden make that shitcoin relevant in this thread based on those kinds of potential facts.

I don't claim to know the answer(s), but I do appreciate that bitcoin is similar to gold, but at the same time it is different from gold, too.
Like according to my understanding of your these words i think the the similarities between Gold and BTC are the store of Value ( Reserve ) and potential asset to control the Devaluation but Gold can Devalue if Supply increase.

But Difference is Decentralization, More reach to the community as compared to the Government and Centeral hands Fix in term of Supply So Devaluation not possible even if Continues Capital gained by BTC value will be like a Vertical Line towards Sky always.

I was not trying to get into the specifics, but surely if we are considering various aspects of bitcoin versus gold, bitcoin is likely around 1,000x better than gold, but it is less than 1/10 the market cap of gold (even when BTC was at it's $69k top).. So yeah it could take many years for bitcoin to reach its true value relative to gold - but at the same time, the important distinctions with bitcoin is that it is way more portable than gold, way easier to verify, more divisible, and less costly in terms of not having to have custodians. 

Those bitcoin characteristics become fairly important in terms of how much more difficult it will be for the powers that be to manipulate bitcoin as they had been able to manipulate gold because bitcoiners can demand to take their bitcoin into their possession (which is way more difficult to do with gold).

Of course, there are going to be plenty of bitcoiners who will continue to trust third parties, and many bitcoiners will also contract away their right to directly take possession of their bitcoin, but these kinds of concepts regarding the value of possession or otherwise the value to verify that the third parties hold the quantity of the bitcoin that they claim to hold become way more important in terms of challenges that the powers that be are going to have in terms of manipulating bitcoin. 

Sure, we are still transitioning between old systems and new systems, so there are still a lot of bitcoiners who have been keeping their bitcoin with third parties, but we are also seeing a decently large number of bitcoiners to be actually take possession of their bitcoin too... so again, I am not completely comfortable projecting the various ways that these matters are likely to play out beyond just pointing out that the past successes of the powers that be to manipulate gold does not automatically imply that they are going to have similar successes to manipulate bitcoin, especially if bitcoiners are able to really bring into question if some of the third party actors are claiming to possess way more bitcoin than they have and furthermore, there may be some instances in which no one really needs to verify if they have the bitcoin because if the bitcoin price goes up 10x, and some third parties claim to have $1billion worth of bitcoin but they only happen to have $100 million worth of bitcoin, they are likely going to be fucked if they end up losing $900 million.. and sure some of the BIG players may be able to afford some of those kinds of losses here and there, but the level of losses can end up adding up to a whole hell of a lot of value that they are not able to print their way out of such predicament that they end up putting their lil selfies into.
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TLDR - basically a mental breakdown

Bro Really How much time you took to compose it.
Anyhow I got all what you said. Personally i try to avoid the Shitcoins talk reason some of Our community memeber don't like and its the rightthing that this thread is for BTC Only.

Unlike Your point of Some advancement in Shitcoins and the their experimental excersise made some inovation as the concept of tokenizing anything which seems attractive to user many of the Crypto users made Massive money from Shitcoins.


You could have snipped that, I have bitch tits on ignore so I do not have to scan through endless waffle whenever he has a mental breakdown because someone else has an opinion.
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It is seeming as if it may well be better to put those covenants/smart contracts on second or third layer of bitcoin rather than on the base layer.

Exactly this, anything like BIP 119 should be in a higher layer, maybe even on top of Lightning in the current framework. I think the reason Bitcoin is king is in part due to its solid foundation development wise, core needs to be minimal and secure, lets keep it that way.

Yeah, we cant put fungibility on the base layer but sure lets throw a attack vector on there so the scammers can run shitcoin P&D's all day.

Agreed, one of the risks with BIP 119 is the potential for blacklisted coins, that would make Bitcoin less fungible, this is a bad idea, especially at the core level.
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Thanks to Revolut, I can transfer to any exchange fiat and buy in 2s. This is my 3rd purchase in 2 days. (I would NOT reccomend buying inside Revolut, since the fee is 3% - just insane!) Suddenly the dusty scheme of rebuying back is on the table. I don't have any hopes or illusions for low prices, but I prefer to make a precise calculation in advance, in case some more crashes are incoming. I don't have problems buying in crashes. On the contrary, I feel like a shark preying in bloody waters  Smiley But, I have a problem selling too much in the early stage of a big bull run. I knew 15K-30K was a dead zone, but I just couldn't resist after all those years of crashes. This mistake is still haunting my dreams. It seems that for my psychology it is easier not to sell anything than to sell a small amount and keeping it that way. Hopefully, next time I will not fall for that. I know better times are coming soon after this bear BS is over. Well, now I have some fiat in the bank unlike before, when I was all in. This makes me more comfortable not selling at all in future. May be some day I could buy even a house with a BTCitcoin backed loan, so I really may not need to sell for fiat at all.
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Who's our next Mindrust?

Was just thinking about him the other day.

I would hope the lot of us has matured more since then, and learned to embrace this volatility.
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Who's our next Mindrust?

Was just thinking about him the other day.

I would hope the lot of us has matured more since then, and learned to embrace this volatility.

Bitcoin is much more than fiat gains.
That's the mindset that helped me a lot dealing with volatility.
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Who's our next Mindrust?


Lets hope it's JJG.  Cheesy  Cheesy
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Who's our next Mindrust?

The question is would he actually tell us after watching how infamous Mindrust got...




Who's our next Mindrust?

Lets hope it's JJG.  Cheesy  Cheesy

Made me laugh! Thanks  Cheesy
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Who's our next Mindrust?

Was just thinking about him the other day.

I would hope the lot of us has matured more since then, and learned to embrace this volatility.

yeah

the only real time i pay any attention to price drops is when the suicide hotline posts get pinned over at r/bitcoin . then ill actually start reading around for any reasons for it. plus buy the cheap corn of course.

those were the days.. the "mindrust effect"  would hit the masses.. unfortunate for them.
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