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[savetherainforest]

Will the power-hungry lives be spared. Or will their thrones become electric chairs? See the non-believers by the path. Non-believers by the path..

I've been spiraling trough a black hole of links on youtube about : "How to prepare for WW3?"        

And I was thinking: And they think they can spent their BTCiTcoin in the next few years. LOL! They will lose everything trying to afford food & energy bills.         

Most people will have to hold BTCiTcoin for at least another 10 years till they can spend anything.       

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[NotATether]

In 1933, the manufacture, importation and sale of alcohol was still forbidden in the USA and had been for 13 years.  It would have taken many years for the brewing industry to recover after that so the price of illegal beer in that year can't be used to indicate the results of inflation today.  Also, fucking nobody on this side of the Atlantic ever bought 10 beer.  If you have 2 or 3 friends over to help you drink it, it can't be divided evenly which results in unnecessary arguments, feats of strength and ultimately fist fights over the last beer.  This is why it is sold conveniently in multiples of 6 or in kegs.  Only a barbarian would buy 10 beer; f&@#in' savages.

What kind of bastard would fight over a beer??

[ivomm]

"2x per year" trend seems invalidated. Oh well. It's still growing.

Can't you just shift it to some other convenient exponential variant?  How about 1.8x hahahaha.. and then later 1.5x.. but then many of us likely appreciate that  many new adoption curves (to the extent that prices are reflected therein) would likely have some kind of a curve rather than straight line, no?

As I see it one of the main problems with all the "models" *and* interpretation/expectation of models is they tend to be biased to various schelling points and oversimplification of formulas:

2x per year (has never actually happened exactly, right?)
The market cap of gold (why?),
Stock to flow (as if the only thing that matters is supply)
Some proprietary log curve or two (yeah... because it's a little complicated this simple formula will be righter!)
And my fav so far:  100k by the end of December! (TWO schelling points in one!)
Supercycle! (just picking on myself... based on greed, and sort of an anti-model really.)

Oh, and there is one more (for THIS list)... but this one is part of the holy choirbook, so people might not like to call it a broken model "The four year cycle".  This one is at least supported by some fairly strong design forces.  But it still only takes into account a limited number of extremely important things.  Ignoring completely things like the price of electricity, the proliferation of mining, the reaction of governments, and so on.  And I have to also point out that it has nothing to do with "four years" but we humans like to call it something we can easily relate to.

And ALL OF THIS exists in the extremely long shadow of the world macroeconomic condition and the strength of the worlds unit of account, the US DOLLAR.

Whatever your model... it will be instantly distorted by what happens with the mighty $$$.  And the price of important commodities like food and power in THAT asset.

And while we are on THAT topic... Food and Power.  We are currently watching an effort unfold by supragovernmental forces to take control of the food supply and energy creation in The Ukraine, The Netherlands, The Canada (I don't see why .ca can't have an article too!), The New Zealand, and so on.

In my opinion... gone are the simple days when we could predict shit, really.   But Bitcoin is still the best thing going for value storage, and most likely growth depending on your time horizon.

Have a nice Friday WO!

So far 2x has worked because of the pace of mass adoption. Judging by some metrics that can be found in glassnode, there is way more than 2x increase of demand each year. The last 10 months were an exception of course, but this can't invalidate the channel. At least not yet. May be after the next halving this will be confirmed. But I have some hope that it won't. The reason is that the invalidation of this model would mean that the demand is losing pace because of the high levels of mass adoption, say above 75%. However, this is not the case. I doubt that more than 5% of the world population holds BTC. So,  there is still plenty of room for growth. The current crisis has other origins and it is a matter of several months to 2 years max to end. My expectations are that in 1 year max BTC will return to the lower line of the 2x channel. After the halving I hope BTC will enter it and score a new ATH > 100K.

[Hamza2424]

https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagEDU/status/1565678715832614912?t=SxKkiAj6RtM2szP3gDrtEg&s=19


The exponential Growth od the technologies shows a Similar boom as per the adoption of the BTC Expect the unexpected People use to adopt the New technologies by a gap of tim.e

[vapourminer]

lso, fucking nobody on this side of the Atlantic ever bought 10 beer.  If you have 2 or 3 friends over to help you drink it, it can't be divided evenly which results in unnecessary arguments, feats of strength and ultimately fist fights over the last beer.  This is why it is sold conveniently in multiples of 6 or in kegs.  Only a barbarian would buy 10 beer; f&@#in' savages.

What kind of bastard would fight over a beer??

i used to frequent bars where people went specifically TO fight over beer.

man i am glad i dont go to those bars anymore.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Phil_S]

Can't you just shift it to some other convenient exponential variant?  How about 1.8x hahahaha.. and then later 1.5x..

Yeah, I'll try something like 1.7x but not until it goes up first, and crosses 25600 at least...

I don't want to nudge it every week if keeps going down/sideways.

[Toxic2040]

"2x per year" trend seems invalidated. Oh well. It's still growing.

Can't you just shift it to some other convenient exponential variant?  How about 1.8x hahahaha.. and then later 1.5x.. but then many of us likely appreciate that  many new adoption curves (to the extent that prices are reflected therein) would likely have some kind of a curve rather than straight line, no?

As I see it one of the main problems with all the "models" *and* interpretation/expectation of models is they tend to be biased to various schelling points and oversimplification of formulas:

2x per year (has never actually happened exactly, right?)
The market cap of gold (why?),
Stock to flow (as if the only thing that matters is supply)
Some proprietary log curve or two (yeah... because it's a little complicated this simple formula will be righter!)
And my fav so far:  100k by the end of December! (TWO schelling points in one!)
Supercycle! (just picking on myself... based on greed, and sort of an anti-model really.)

Oh, and there is one more (for THIS list)... but this one is part of the holy choirbook, so people might not like to call it a broken model "The four year cycle".  This one is at least supported by some fairly strong design forces.  But it still only takes into account a limited number of extremely important things.  Ignoring completely things like the price of electricity, the proliferation of mining, the reaction of governments, and so on.  And I have to also point out that it has nothing to do with "four years" but we humans like to call it something we can easily relate to.

And ALL OF THIS exists in the extremely long shadow of the world macroeconomic condition and the strength of the worlds unit of account, the US DOLLAR.

Whatever your model... it will be instantly distorted by what happens with the mighty $$$.  And the price of important commodities like food and power in THAT asset.

And while we are on THAT topic... Food and Power.  We are currently watching an effort unfold by supragovernmental forces to take control of the food supply and energy creation in The Ukraine, The Netherlands, The Canada (I don't see why .ca can't have an article too!), The New Zealand, and so on.

In my opinion... gone are the simple days when we could predict shit, really.   But Bitcoin is still the best thing going for value storage, and most likely growth depending on your time horizon.

Have a nice Friday WO!

So far 2x has worked because of the pace of mass adoption. Judging by some metrics that can be found in glassnode, there is way more than 2x increase of demand each year. The last 10 months were an exception of course, but this can't invalidate the channel. At least not yet. May be after the next halving this will be confirmed. But I have some hope that it won't. The reason is that the invalidation of this model would mean that the demand is losing pace because of the high levels of mass adoption, say above 75%. However, this is not the case. I doubt that more than 5% of the world population holds BTC. So,  there is still plenty of room for growth. The current crisis has other origins and it is a matter of several months to 2 years max to end. My expectations are that in 1 year max BTC will return to the lower line of the 2x channel. After the halving I hope BTC will enter it and score a new ATH > 100K.

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Friday morning goobly gook...test on Monday   

listed in order of personal preference

'A SOMA forcast is straight out of ones ass'
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0


'A naive forecast is one in which the forecast for a given period is simply equal to the value observed in the previous period.'
https://www.statology.org/naive-forecast-excel/

'Time series datasets are the most widely generated and used kind of data in any business. They are used both in understanding the past and predicting the future.'
https://towardsdatascience.com/time-series-forecasting-from-naive-to-arima-and-beyond-ef133c485f94

'Triple Exponential Smoothing method models the next time step as an exponentially weighted linear function of observations at prior time steps, taking trends and seasonality into account.'
https://machinelearningmastery.com/time-series-forecasting-methods-in-python-cheat-sheet/

Code:

# HWES example
from statsmodels.tsa.holtwinters import ExponentialSmoothing
from random import random
# contrived dataset
data = [x + random() for x in range(1, 100)]
# fit model
model = ExponentialSmoothing(data)
model_fit = model.fit()
# make prediction
yhat = model_fit.predict(len(data), len(data))
print(yhat)

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gm guy says gm

[cAPSLOCK]

So far 2x has worked because of the pace of mass adoption. Judging by some metrics that can be found in glassnode, there is way more than 2x increase of demand each year. The last 10 months were an exception of course, but this can't invalidate the channel. At least not yet. May be after the next halving this will be confirmed. But I have some hope that it won't. The reason is that the invalidation of this model would mean that the demand is losing pace because of the high levels of mass adoption, say above 75%. However, this is not the case. I doubt that more than 5% of the world population holds BTC. So,  there is still plenty of room for growth. The current crisis has other origins and it is a matter of several months to 2 years max to end. My expectations are that in 1 year max BTC will return to the lower line of the 2x channel. After the halving I hope BTC will enter it and score a new ATH > 100K.

I agree with your post in general.  But one of my points still stands.  This chart does not just hinge on the value and adoption of bitcoin, but also the strength of the USD.

Things going on with the dollar can obliterate this channel in either direction.  You could make a case that BTC trying to exit the bottom of the channel now has corresponded fairly exactly with the switch of the FED to raising interest rates and thereby strengthening the dollar, which is making the charts of most other liquid assets do exactly what BTC is doing.  What the FED seems to be trying to do is counteract the effects of inflation they caused by so much money creation over the recent term.  But this is a losing battle, and obviously there may (will in my opinion) come a point when the value of BTC/USD explodes through the top of that channel like an active volcano (ES reference intended).

[Hueristic]

In 1933, the manufacture, importation and sale of alcohol was still forbidden in the USA and had been for 13 years.  It would have taken many years for the brewing industry to recover after that so the price of illegal beer in that year can't be used to indicate the results of inflation today.  Also, fucking nobody on this side of the Atlantic ever bought 10 beer.  If you have 2 or 3 friends over to help you drink it, it can't be divided evenly which results in unnecessary arguments, feats of strength and ultimately fist fights over the last beer.  This is why it is sold conveniently in multiples of 6 or in kegs.  Only a barbarian would buy 10 beer; f&@#in' savages.

What kind of bastard would fight over a beer??

[HI-TEC99]

lso, fucking nobody on this side of the Atlantic ever bought 10 beer.  If you have 2 or 3 friends over to help you drink it, it can't be divided evenly which results in unnecessary arguments, feats of strength and ultimately fist fights over the last beer.  This is why it is sold conveniently in multiples of 6 or in kegs.  Only a barbarian would buy 10 beer; f&@#in' savages.

What kind of bastard would fight over a beer??

i used to frequent bars where people went specifically TO fight over beer.

man i am glad i dont go to those bars anymore.

Did they sell FUDD beer in those bars?



They sell it at the The Beer -N- Brawl in Spittle County.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Morningstarr]

I still think that when the market reaches around $17k and people open long positions, So this time we will see one last unexpected dump which will cause BTC to reach $15k or $12k. During the journey of bitcoin from $18k to $25k, everyone thought that the market would go comfortably to $30k but during that time the rising wedge broke and according to this pattern it is not possible to return before $17k when BTC reaches $17k or $18k, it will be a better idea what is the mood of the market.

Your posts are starting to turn into dweeb posts, including strawman ascribing moon-boy status to members here who have been talking about upward BTC price movements that have likely similar odds of happening as your wishful-thinking DOWNity scenario that cannot even stop in terms of wishing for $17k and cannot resist including $12k to $15k in your propositions of inevitability.

It's not my wish, after looking at the chart, drawing a few lines, and looking at some news, I'm just stating things my little brain perceives. All of us say things by looking at the possibilities and if I have to say something now, I see bitcoin going to $22k because it has successfully retested the trendline by breaking it. The 200-4H moving average is currently at $22400. If BTC successfully breaks this, we could see Bitcoin at $25k and then even $30k.

 
Are you a betting man?

No, I don't like it.

Just to let you know (or would that be Protip? there is no inevitable in bitcoin especially related to 15% more down merely because you and a bunch of reddit dweeb-twats are wishing for such down.

Likely one of the ONLY things inevitable in bitcoin is its volatility, and the inevitable aspect of bitcoin's volatility does not have a directional component - even if you are asserting such doom and gloom DOWNity BTC price matters as if they were certain when they might not even have odds that are much higher than 50%, especially since we have already been bouncing largely below the 200-Week moving average for more than 2.5 months..

The price has been above the 200-weekly moving average for almost two weeks but we saw a small dump when the daily candle broke below the 20 and 50 moving averages. Due to this, The BTC price could not maintain the support of the 200-weekly moving average so by the end of this week, it would be clearer what we should think about going forward as the support at $19K looks quite strong.

Have you heard about bitcoin-related factors, or do you believe bitcoin merely jumps whenever macro-factors bark such orders at it? 

Are you completely out of bitcoin at this time, Morningstarr?  Have you retained any cornz in case the price does not go in the direction nor to the degree that you expect it to go?

Hopefully the BTC portion of your portfolio is NOT reflective of the nonsense that you are spewing... Hey.. you might being correct in your prediction, but your confidence comes off as a wee bit out of touch with reality.

Supply and demand; yes I think that things like these affects prices for either short or long term. If it doesn't, I will have to change my mind, but it doesn't matter if I am proven right or wrong, either way, I will be satisfied that more dump is not possible from here and the good days of market have come.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[xhomerx10]

In 1933, the manufacture, importation and sale of alcohol was still forbidden in the USA and had been for 13 years.  It would have taken many years for the brewing industry to recover after that so the price of illegal beer in that year can't be used to indicate the results of inflation today.  Also, fucking nobody on this side of the Atlantic ever bought 10 beer.  If you have 2 or 3 friends over to help you drink it, it can't be divided evenly which results in unnecessary arguments, feats of strength and ultimately fist fights over the last beer.  This is why it is sold conveniently in multiples of 6 or in kegs.  Only a barbarian would buy 10 beer; f&@#in' savages.

What kind of bastard would fight over a beer??

 The same kind who would by a 10-pack, I imagine.



edit: or maybe hillbillies - https://www.newsflare.com/video/195920/hillbillies-fighting-over-one-beer

edit2: or random Canadian - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/man-stabbed-outside-winnipeg-store-in-fight-over-beer-1.2623597

edit3: Americans - https://www.walb.com/story/16967190/fight-over-beer-sends-woman-to-hospital/

edit4: OMG even women - https://www.sunjournal.com/2007/09/07/woman-sentenced-killing-beer/

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Hueristic]

edit3: Americans - https://www.walb.com/story/16967190/fight-over-beer-sends-woman-to-hospital/

That'll teach her not to take the last beer!


The killing ones Might have been excessive but ya really got to know the circumstances.

[Hueristic]

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