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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 3 (3.8%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.3%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.5%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15%)
$95K to $100K - 13 (16.3%)
>$100K - 40 (50%)
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September 04, 2022, 10:05:11 AM

... apparently, "something" is more stable than "nothing"

yes and when someone wants you to hold his horses, they are telling you to be 'Stable'.

just saying
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It looks to me someone tries to defend a massive short position and doing everything possible to hammer the price each time it pops up above 20K. May be it is related to companies like terra, 3ac, celcius, etc. who are ponzis covered up as arbitrage trading firms. And in the bottom of this complex and shady trading is Greyscale, with their insane negative premium (-32%).  Purpose ETF is also dumping hard and also involved in the ponzi scheme.

They all feed with the imbecile gamblers, who keep opening high leverage longs. They've lost so much money so far, yet they continue doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results - the definition of stupidity! Probably tens of billions $ lost in the last 2 years. Currently in Binance there are 1.9bil longs, compared to the average of 1.2bil. Clearly they expect a return above 20K to 24K perhaps. But, there is a catch! During the bear markets the up movement almost always starts after a sudden dip liquidating the leveraged longs. So there is a ~50% chance of going down and ~50% of going up but after a short and steep dip. In other words, they are betting on <1% probability of success. Well done, you are pros! Hopefully this situation will be resolved soon and the demand will return. 20K is sooo low, nothing but heavy manipulation can explain it. Even 40-50K is not a fair price! May be not 100K yet, but I think 60K would correspond best with the increase of demand in the recent years.
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Fixed that for you.
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Yo Buddy...

So why is there something rather than nothing?

If there was nothing then there would not be something to know there was nothing.
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It looks to me someone tries to defend a massive short position and doing everything possible to hammer the price each time it pops up above 20K. May be it is related to companies like terra, 3ac, celcius, etc. who are ponzis covered up as arbitrage trading firms. And in the bottom of this complex and shady trading is Greyscale, with there insane negative premium (-32%).  Purpose ETF is also dumping hard and also involved in the ponzi scheme.

They all feed with the imbecile gamblers, who keep opening high leverage longs. They've lost so much money so far, yet they continue doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results - the definition of stupidity! Probably tens of billions $ lost in the last 2 years. Currently in Binance there are 1.9bil longs, compared to the average of 1.2bil. Clearly they expect a return above 20K to 24K perhaps. But, there is a catch! During the bear markets the up movement almost always starts after a sudden dip liquidating the leveraged longs. So there is a ~50% chance of going down and ~50% of going up but after a short and steep dip. In other words, they are betting on <1% probability of success. Well done, you are pros! Hopefully this situation will be resolved soon and the demand will return. 20K is sooo low, nothing but heavy manipulation can explain it. Even 40-50K is not a fair price! May be not 100K yet, but I think 60K would correspond best with the increase of demand in the recent years.

The market actually seems reluctant to go much lower at this time.  But since the Luna debacle we know that huge shit can happen really quickly.


Here is my worst case short-term scenario:

I mentioned it before but these big shorters might be speculating on time.  They would just need to keep the price down until the GOX coins get released.

Many, at least some of these coins will be sold disregarding the price.  And the big shorters might wanna use that timing to enforce a liquidation dump, because it will scare others into selling, too.  If they get the price low enough they could even liquidate the remaining lender companies and totally crush the market...  

On top of it, and at the same time, Meth is undergoing it's transition to a woman from POW to POS, and that will open doors to a bunch of other possible fuckeries...  (It could drag the market down even further or Meth might get pushed up against BTC, or both in that order)

So yeah this is my doom scenario...  Don't get mad on me JJG.... it's just some brainstorming on what fuckery could happen short term.
I'm bullish as always, my coins willl stay in storage like they always do, and I will watch and eat popcorn (which is a good absorber for the possible gastric acid overflow)


If I don't take a possible GOX and Trans-Meth debacle into account, I would say soma the bottom is in..


Regarding a fair price:  I feel 50k is absolutely adequate, even cheap.  It's actually the same price the original stock to flow model predicts (100k was the newer one)



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September 04, 2022, 02:52:21 PM

Bob what are your thoughts on this?

#LNMETA

Didn't see the JJG question because fuck him, that's why.

My thoughts on this are "meh. I'll deal with it when I close the node eventually."

This goes back to my issue with the seeming "quantum state" of multisig stuff relating to Lightning that I am not clear on how it unwinds...

IOW, AFAIK, when I close everything down, I should get back all my liquidity, minus on-chain costs.

In theory.

I'm not going to be able to test that theory for a while as I'm committing to keeping this node up for as long as I have available liquidity on the node, without needing to add more.

Here's a current snapshot of my P&L display going back from when I started the node. It's only very recently that I became aggressive with fees.



thanks for info so you are down 0.00057 btc and moved over 2.9 billion ? sats

I am trying to grasp how LN will support mining ⛏

Since BTC will do

3.125 reward in 2024
1.5625 reward in 2028
0.78125 reward in 2032 I will be 75 years old and likely end mining by then
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https://nypost.com/2022/09/04/bed-bath-beyond-exec-gustavo-arnal-idd-as-nyc-jenga-building-jumper-source/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

So a high profile CFO making ~$3M per year in compensation, including a $775k yearly salary, trying to save a bankrupt company from implosion, decides to leap to his death?

Sheesh. These corp execs are really fucked in the head.

Just resign and move on, man.  Roll Eyes You are not your career.
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Well, not mine, because i banned television from my home in 2010.
Impressive photo, tho.

@Buddy: When bounce?  Huh

EDIT: So, no need to be afraid of Gox dumpsters?

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Sauce: https://twitter.com/MarshallHayner/status/1563769605604052993
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Well, not mine, because i banned television from my home in 2010.
Impressive photo, tho.

We don't have since 50 years. Means my family does not like TV.
So I also not in But the society is....
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