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September 04, 2014, 07:06:59 AM

This could be it boys!

Looking like a nice bounce upwards on Stamp  Cool
>2300 BTC need to be chewed up on Stamp in a hurry for this to be "it".  But it'd be nice if you were right!

Let's get those GABI advisors on the line to greenlight those buy orders. It's time for a recovery bounce.
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September 04, 2014, 07:10:24 AM

Does betting a kidney qualify for "blood in the streets"?  Grin IMO, it's really bullish! Grin

I think only if I lose... I'll have to consult the oracle about that, though.

That would be a really stupid bet, and if we were being genuine in our posts, that wager should be conceded as an exaggeration.
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September 04, 2014, 07:24:07 AM

Let's crash to 300 already and get it over with. At least more cheap coins for all of us. New ATH will come for sure in the next year.
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September 04, 2014, 08:15:46 AM

Let's crash to 300 already and get it over with. At least more cheap coins for all of us. New ATH will come for sure in the next year.

should've bought coins back when it did...get over hoping for the rich to dump 20k in like 5 minutes without the other rich buying in before they can dump em all.
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September 04, 2014, 08:16:41 AM

Interesting thought: Would the CEOs of the exchanges know the reason for the low price? I mean, they obviously know who are dumping and putting up huge ask walls. If the account belongs to payment processing companies, obviously they are cashing out highly likely due to the coins from merchants. If the account belongs to institutional funds, obviously they are trying to control the price. If the account belongs to miners, obviously they are cashing out mined coins.
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September 04, 2014, 08:34:28 AM

Interesting thought: Would the CEOs of the exchanges know the reason for the low price? I mean, they obviously know who are dumping and putting up huge ask walls. If the account belongs to payment processing companies, obviously they are cashing out highly likely due to the coins from merchants. If the account belongs to institutional funds, obviously they are trying to control the price. If the account belongs to miners, obviously they are cashing out mined coins.

Frankly, I'm not aware of anything to prevent the exchanges front running the market. It would be profitable and very hard to prove, therefore it is probably happening.
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September 04, 2014, 08:49:29 AM

Interesting thought: Would the CEOs of the exchanges know the reason for the low price? I mean, they obviously know who are dumping and putting up huge ask walls. If the account belongs to payment processing companies, obviously they are cashing out highly likely due to the coins from merchants. If the account belongs to institutional funds, obviously they are trying to control the price. If the account belongs to miners, obviously they are cashing out mined coins.

So, everyone is cashing out.

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September 04, 2014, 08:51:45 AM

So, everyone is cashing out.

This is obvious from the current price.
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September 04, 2014, 08:53:11 AM

Icahn, Soros, Druckenmiller, And Now Zell: The Billionaires Are All Quietly Preparing For The Plunge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-03/icahn-soros-druckenmiller-and-now-zell-billionaires-are-all-quietly-preparing-market



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September 04, 2014, 09:01:00 AM

Icahn, Soros, Druckenmiller, And Now Zell: The Billionaires Are All Quietly Preparing For The Plunge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-03/icahn-soros-druckenmiller-and-now-zell-billionaires-are-all-quietly-preparing-market




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September 04, 2014, 09:03:12 AM

Why Litecoin is rising and bitcoin still stable? Stamp's wall has only 160 bitcoin. Hash rate and difficulty increased, why are we still 477. So booooring :/

LTC has faster confirmations  Cheesy
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September 04, 2014, 09:26:39 AM

Interesting thought: Would the CEOs of the exchanges know the reason for the low price? I mean, they obviously know who are dumping and putting up huge ask walls. If the account belongs to payment processing companies, obviously they are cashing out highly likely due to the coins from merchants. If the account belongs to institutional funds, obviously they are trying to control the price. If the account belongs to miners, obviously they are cashing out mined coins.

As many people have noted, in spite of all the talk about adoption there is still comparatively little demand for use as e-currency (and what is bought for that use is usually sold back on the exchanges very soon, since most merchants prefer to get the cash).  Therefore the price is still sustained entirely by demand from speculators and investors.

I would further claim that the price is sustained entirely by short-term speculation, and mostly in the Chinese exchanges.  I believe that the price generally fell from ~800$ to ~400$  from February to April because their interest in bitcoin was wearing out fast. The cause of that may have been the perceived hostile attitude of the PBoC, the MtGOX debacle, or ordinary clients losing money to a few high-frequency or leveraged traders.

By my reading, after the final tough stance by the government in late April or early May, the exchanges made the field more level and reassured their clients through their joint announcement.  That got the price stabilized at 450$.

In my view the late May mini-bubble was due to a surge in demand in Chine, too.  I still don't knwo what caused that demand, but anyway it seems to have all but collapsed, so the price is almost back to the pre-bubble level.

But even the 450--475$ price is still held up by the Chinese short-term speculators.  If it weren't for them, the price would be less than 350$, perhaps as low as 150$.   

If there is manipulation by a few "whales", it is to keep the price up rather than down.  I see hints of that since late May and even now.  However I don't see how that could be profitable; it seems that it would take a lot of money to just fight a natural downwards trend.  Perhaps those whales were just speculating, only with some insider knowledge that made them more optimistic than the average client.
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September 04, 2014, 09:27:44 AM

Why Litecoin is rising and bitcoin still stable? Stamp's wall has only 160 bitcoin. Hash rate and difficulty increased, why are we still 477. So booooring :/

LTC has faster confirmations  Cheesy

So what if LTC has faster confirmation, there is some altcoins which has superfast confirmation.
Still their price like dust, check Supercoin confirmation time how fast that coin got confirmed.
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Interesting thought: Would the CEOs of the exchanges know the reason for the low price? I mean, they obviously know who are dumping and putting up huge ask walls. If the account belongs to payment processing companies, obviously they are cashing out highly likely due to the coins from merchants. If the account belongs to institutional funds, obviously they are trying to control the price. If the account belongs to miners, obviously they are cashing out mined coins.

Frankly, I'm not aware of anything to prevent the exchanges front running the market. It would be profitable and very hard to prove, therefore it is probably happening.

Rule #1: If there is money involved, someone is doing it.
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September 04, 2014, 09:57:31 AM

Frankly, I'm not aware of anything to prevent the exchanges front running the market. It would be profitable and very hard to prove, therefore it is probably happening.

Rule #1: If there is money involved, someone is doing it.

Pure wisdom!

Rule #2: If Rule #1 seems to not apply, somebody is lying
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