[0 GH/s 0% fee SMPPS] ArsBitcoin mining pool!

[coblee]

I think BT mentioned that it costs roughly $8-$9 per day for the server costs alone. That adds up to $240-$270 a month. So with a %.5 fee, it almost covers that.

Yes, about 0.63% would cover the 13.5BTC or $270/month, all else being equal. Hmm... I think I'm going to increase my donation...

Hey BT - just go for a 1% fee. It's a good buffer if BTC languishes around the current price level and you can always lower it as the pool grows.

I thought it was a good idea when BT defaulted the donation to 1%. Because 1% seems like a fair donation. But it seems like a lot of people (especially pool hoppers) immediately changed that back to 0%. And pool hoppers were causing the spikes in traffic, which is causing RPC connection problems for everyone. It wasn't very fair for us loyal users to donate 1% or more and for the pool hoppers to get a free ride. So I'm ok with having a fee for everyone.

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[xcooling]

Transaction fees are kept by the pool (usually 0.04-0.16 BTC.)

donations should NOT be forced.

[miscreanity]

Transaction fees are kept by the pool (usually 0.04-0.16 BTC.)

donations should NOT be forced.

Donations aren't forced. That's why this would be called a fee.

Getting caught up in semantics is pointless - the issue still remains that the pool has operation costs that need to be covered.

[xcooling]

If the transaction fees are removed, then do this (1% taken for server)

You will earn (1 / difficulty) * 49.5 BTC per share

[BurningToad]

Hi everyone,

I appreciate all the talk about helping me pay for the pool.  At the current hashrate and donation percentages, I think I'm about breaking even.  This is just fine with me, I don't have to make money on the pool.

My thoughts about implementing a mandatory fee are actually more to help control the size of the pool.  I don't like providing a sub-optimal service, which is what was happening before I closed registrations with the RPC errors, etc, affecting how many shares people can submit.  So I want to improve the scalability.  I can do this with code/DB fixes to some extent.

It also doesn't seem fair that only some people donate to help, while others get a free ride.  I thought this was a good idea at first, but to me it makes the system less fair (much like pool hoppers do on a proportional pool.)  

So, a mandatory fee makes it more fair for everyone, and helps keep the pool size more controllable so that those who DO want to mine here can hopefully have less issues doing so.  It would also allow me to add more servers if needed in the future.

Anyways, even with all of that, I am STILL undecided, and the first priority is still to improve the scalability of the code.

As a side note, some of my personal miners are trying out the p2pool here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18313.0  I think it would be good for everyone if mining was less centralized than it is now, so please help test this out if you can!

Thanks

[miscreanity]

As a side note, some of my personal miners are trying out the p2pool here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18313.0  I think it would be good for everyone if mining was less centralized than it is now, so please help test this out if you can!

I've been following p2pool also and am running a cpuminer on it. Scalability is still concerning; how many mini nodes can branch off and still maintain reasonable propagation? The structure just seems too flat. I could see advanced improvements in network latency alleviating that to some degree.

[BurningToad]

I've been following p2pool also and am running a cpuminer on it. Scalability is still concerning; how many mini nodes can branch off and still maintain reasonable propagation? The structure just seems too flat. I could see advanced improvements in network latency alleviating that to some degree.

Yeah, no idea if this will work or be scalable, but its worth a shot!

[NetTecture]

Ars currently down?

[Meatball]

Yeah, BT is working on it as we speak.

[NetTecture]

Finally a test for falblack - I am now on btc guild again autoamtically trying out every couple of seconds. Nice.

[BurningToad]

We're all back.

We got hit by an EC2 power outage:

6:32 AM PDT We are investigating unavailability for a small number of instances in a single availability zone in the US-EAST-1 region.
7:05 AM PDT We can confirm a power issue affecting some instances in a single availability zone in the US-EAST-1 region.
7:17 AM PDT We can confirm a power issue affecting some instances in a single availability zone in the US-EAST-1 region. You can use the DescribeAvailabilityZone API to find out if you have instances in the affected availability zone. The state of the affected availability zone will be listed as impaired.

[NetTecture]

Fuck. CLuods are about benig available Second time in 112 months Amazon blows that

I like ars.... if you feel like you want take donation of a virtual server, I can provide one of my Germany based cluster.

[neo1999]

I'm getting disconnected from the pool quite a bit here, and many of my shares are being rejected. Hope this clears up soon!

[NetTecture]

I'm getting disconnected from the pool quite a bit here, and many of my shares are being rejected. Hope this clears up soon!

Same here. Pretty much every 15 seconds falling to BTCguild (my backup) then back.

[gr0bi42]

I'm getting disconnected from the pool quite a bit here, and many of my shares are being rejected. Hope this clears up soon!

Same here. Pretty much every 15 seconds falling to BTCguild (my backup) then back.

For me too. Massive connection problems... miners are constantly switching between arsbitcoin and the backup pool.

[miscreanity]

From cgminer:

Code:

not providing work fast enough

Seems to last about 20-30 seconds each time. Bandwidth, latency or processing?

[BurningToad]

It wasn't doing any work out of the ordinary, but something was really slowing it down or causing connection problems.  It seems to have cleared up now.

[BurningToad]

Was able to make some improvements today.  Still some more planned.  Notice below when the "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC" disappear.  Not saying they are gone for good, but it definitely seems better so far.

Code:

2011-07-22 06:23:13: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 06:23:13, long poll: new block 00000499ec5e70ee
2011-07-22 06:25:12: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 06:25:12, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 06:27:19: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 06:27:19, long poll: new block 000002484b09a335
2011-07-22 06:57:23: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 06:57:23, long poll: new block 0000003519fac8b1
2011-07-22 07:05:19: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:05:19, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:05:36: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:05:36, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:05:38: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:05:38, long poll: new block 0000026250d7042e
2011-07-22 07:06:30: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:06:30, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:06:36: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:06:36, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:13:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:13:15, long poll: new block 000006ffc070d2bf
2011-07-22 07:15:16: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:15:16, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:15:32: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:15:32, long poll: new block 000001c1d1a49c3e
2011-07-22 07:18:41: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:18:41, long poll: new block 00000441e274533b
2011-07-22 07:20:50: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:20:50, long poll: new block 00000178431bdd51
2011-07-22 07:30:13: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:30:13, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:38:49: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:38:49, long poll: new block 000002f04548ec90
2011-07-22 07:39:02: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:39:02, long poll: new block 000007657729204d
2011-07-22 07:40:12: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:40:12, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 07:44:16: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:44:16, long poll: new block 0000043f411e7702
2011-07-22 07:45:21: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 07:45:21, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:00:12: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:00:12, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:01:52: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:01:52, long poll: new block 0000040e4249cf51
2011-07-22 08:04:32: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:04:32, long poll: new block 0000078a57749af6
2011-07-22 08:07:43: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:07:43, long poll: new block 0000075cc9cd539c
2011-07-22 08:10:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:10:15, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:15:17: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:15:17, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:17:32: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:17:32, long poll: new block 00000909bfc7822a
2011-07-22 08:19:09: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:19:09, long poll: new block 000008b8d4d01e2b
2011-07-22 08:20:10: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:20:10, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:20:19: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:20:19, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:24:56: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:24:56, long poll: new block 000003cc95218a7f
2011-07-22 08:37:31: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:37:31, long poll: new block 000004bfad597c3a
2011-07-22 08:55:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:55:15, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 08:59:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 08:59:15, long poll: new block 0000068dc2912e45
2011-07-22 09:04:19: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 09:04:19, long poll: new block 00000696fcc8da45
2011-07-22 09:05:13: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 09:05:13, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 09:08:27: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 09:08:27, long poll: new block 00000681e2d3cf5e
2011-07-22 09:10:30: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 09:10:30, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 10:05:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 10:05:15, Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC
2011-07-22 10:05:17: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 10:05:17, long poll: new block 000008a69312561a
2011-07-22 10:53:15: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 10:53:15, long poll: new block 0000061111d154a3
2011-07-22 10:59:16: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 10:59:16, long poll: new block 0000080e58c564df
2011-07-22 11:00:34: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:00:34, long poll: new block 000006b9c2a40d31
2011-07-22 11:02:36: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:02:36, long poll: new block 000001f006addd2f
2011-07-22 11:10:25: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:10:25, long poll: new block 0000022eca3094f1
2011-07-22 11:12:35: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:12:35, long poll: new block 00000730c2237d97
2011-07-22 11:15:23: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:15:23, long poll: new block 00000516556289f4
2011-07-22 11:33:41: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:33:41, long poll: new block 00000111cfb33068
2011-07-22 11:40:45: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:40:45, long poll: new block 0000044219138a8a
2011-07-22 11:48:40: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:48:40, long poll: new block 000008db3e61d1d9
2011-07-22 11:49:51: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:49:51, long poll: new block 0000090ab232d450
2011-07-22 11:54:12: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:54:12, long poll: new block 000008795ffabb15
2011-07-22 11:59:49: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 11:59:49, long poll: new block 0000026e59a734ef
2011-07-22 12:15:17: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 12:15:17, long poll: new block 00000652fb39d414
2011-07-22 12:45:49: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 12:45:49, long poll: new block 000001519171ed04
2011-07-22 12:46:55: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 12:46:55, long poll: new block 0000023108813019
2011-07-22 13:12:00: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 13:12:00, long poll: new block 0000032a8a7c35b0
2011-07-22 13:17:43: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 13:17:43, long poll: new block 000007e216465170
2011-07-22 13:20:33: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 13:20:33, long poll: new block 00000017e5abb5bb
2011-07-22 13:33:48: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 13:33:48, long poll: new block 0000018250fde8d2
2011-07-22 13:36:55: Listener for "arsbitcoin": 22/07/2011 13:36:55, long poll: new block 0000080ddb39529b 

[miscreanity]

No issues over the past 10 minutes or so; that seems to have worked.

Would it be possible to add rejected/stale stats for the current round in addition to lifetime without incurring too much overhead?

[BurningToad]

No issues over the past 10 minutes or so; that seems to have worked.

Would it be possible to add rejected/stale stats for the current round in addition to lifetime without incurring too much overhead?

There is some additional stale info in a link on the my stats page, which is by day: https://arsbitcoin.com/history.php.

I am still re-working the code so I'll see if I can get what you are asking for in.