Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized.

[jimmykl]

@philipma1957 or anyone else with 1070 experience

I'm building a 7x1070 riser rig and have GPU choice down to these two cards at roughly the same price (G1 about $15US/card more than Mini):

Gigabyte GTX 1070 Mini ITX OC
Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming 8G

They both look like they have decent thermal management and samsung ram (going by reviews) but I wonder what other pros/cons I should consider?

[philipma1957]

Does anyone have suggestion for good risers?? This pack seems to be popular but would like to hear some advice. https://www.amazon.com/6-Pack-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B01N3UVJHM/

Talk to hawkfish007 he has good quality risers. Been using his for a bit now.

Hawkfish007 was selling really good pcie risers.

this is his profile ask him if he still has them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=352509



@

Jimmykl

I don't believe in seven or six card rigs unless you have at least four of them.

That said I will look at your picks.

Okay I owned 1 of these mini itx for 3 days so far so good


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JD2OSX0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

the 3 fan looks like my asus strix 3 fan 1070

it was good I got rid of it   due to my build style idea of 2 blower1080  ti's with 1 1070  design


my design won't work with the 3 fan 1070's



but this asus was good for cooling


I would think this would be good for cooling

[bdiddle]

I just installed my first non AMD card today, a gigabyte 1070 mini.

Have it mining DGB Skein at 410mh/s using ccMiner. I've played around with clocks and power targets and can't get any better. Any suggestions for trying for better?

It's at 80% power, +150 core.

Seems to be more FUD around Nvidia cards....

[TheYankeesWin!]

Phil  don't you think  blower style is better for a 6-7 card build?   And the better cooler of the three card  is for  wide spaced gear?

[philipma1957]

I just installed my first non AMD card today, a gigabyte 1070 mini.

Have it mining DGB Skein at 410mh/s using ccMiner. I've played around with clocks and power targets and can't get any better. Any suggestions for trying for better?

It's at 80% power, +150 core.

Seems to be more FUD around Nvidia cards....

It is not about super high clock and power.

try

70% power
200 core
0 memory
70% fan

you should get the same 410 and drop power about 13%

Let me check my settings I have the exact same card.


okay  my card is at

78% power
+200 core
-200 memory
78% fan

and I am doing 505 mh

it took a while to dial in max  core and min ram for the best hash number
so you are doing 80% with 410 hash
I am doing 78%   with 505 hash

I point to zpool and use alexis-78 cgminer.

[Storx]

Does anyone have suggestion for good risers?? This pack seems to be popular but would like to hear some advice. https://www.amazon.com/6-Pack-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B01N3UVJHM/

Talk to hawkfish007 he has good quality risers. Been using his for a bit now.

Hawkfish007 was selling really good pcie risers.

this is his profile ask him if he still has them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=352509



@

Jimmykl



I don't believe in seven or six card rigs unless you have at least four of them.

That said I will look at your picks.

Okay I owned 1 of these mini itx for 3 days so far so good


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JD2OSX0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

the 3 fan looks like my asus strix 3 fan 1070

it was good I got rid of it   due to my build style idea of 2 blower1080  ti's with 1 1070  design


my design won't work with the 3 fan 1070's



but this asus was good for cooling


I would think this would be good for cooling

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

[LoneRangir]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I'm looking for a case. How are you going to fit 5 cards in that case?  Sounds interesting.

[jimmykl]

Thanks for the feedback Phil

All going well I'm aiming for 3-4 rigs. Probably using nvoc once it has monitoring added.

I might go for the G1 cards since I'm not limited by space.

Out of interest what are your main drawcards for the mobo direct 2x1080ti/1x1070 rigs? Less complex with no risers? Smaller/cheaper PSUs? Best watts/hash? All of the above?!

[Storx]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I'm looking for a case. How are you going to fit 5 cards in that case?  Sounds interesting.

IDK honestly i was just going over what they say in the description.. says support for 2 psu and 5 pci access...
The thing is, you can probably build smaller 3 card units for roughly the same as one larger 6 gpu unit.. most people seem to build or buy the open cases and those are running around $200 a pop.....
the reason i state this is this, most motherboards that support 6 gpu's are very costly... the ones i seem to find IN STOCK are around $180-200 each while you can get the more budget model motherboards with 2 full size x16/x8 slots and usually 1 or 2 x1 slots for $60-150... then there is the issue of purchasing risers for all those and a larger PSU to support that.. most decent 1000+ psu's are in the mid $200+ you can get a platinum 850 and less PSU on sale a lot of times for $70-100..... so you save at that point also...

So overall it seems you could build 2, 3-4 card cheat full atx builds for the same price as a single 6 gpu setup.... am i wrong to think this?

[LoneRangir]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I'm looking for a case. How are you going to fit 5 cards in that case?  Sounds interesting.

IDK honestly i was just going over what they say in the description.. says support for 2 psu and 5 pci access...
The thing is, you can probably build smaller 3 card units for roughly the same as one larger 6 gpu unit.. most people seem to build or buy the open cases and those are running around $200 a pop.....
the reason i state this is this, most motherboards that support 6 gpu's are very costly... the ones i seem to find IN STOCK are around $180-200 each while you can get the more budget model motherboards with 2 full size x16/x8 slots and usually 1 or 2 x1 slots for $60-150... then there is the issue of purchasing risers for all those and a larger PSU to support that.. most decent 1000+ psu's are in the mid $200+ you can get a platinum 850 and less PSU on sale a lot of times for $70-100..... so you save at that point also...

So overall it seems you could build 2, 3-4 card cheat full atx builds for the same price as a single 6 gpu setup.... am i wrong to think this?

I think you're right on par.  I know there are plenty of posts on these forums on how to make a 6+ card rig.  I've never had any luck.  Any time I got more than 4 or 5, it's nothing but problems.  I'm with Phil, I stick to 3 or 4 card builds.  

With dual-wide cards, that case will support 4 cards WITHOUT backplates.  I've had my eye on it for  a while. I was curious how you were going to cram 5 cards in there.  Assuming you're not using the single-wide Katanas that Phil found,  I think you'll be capped at 4.

Considering how expensive +1000W PSUs are, I think 750W/850W 4-card builds are the sweet-spot.

[VoskCoin]

All this rig talk has got me thinking . .

Building a gaming computer with 2x 1080 TI -- possible? If so directions / advice? I've never built a gaming computer and I'm still learning rig building so I feel like I fell into the deep end xD

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the feedback Phil

All going well I'm aiming for 3-4 rigs. Probably using nvoc once it has monitoring added.

I might go for the G1 cards since I'm not limited by space.

Out of interest what are your main drawcards for the mobo direct 2x1080ti/1x1070 rigs? Less complex with no risers? Smaller/cheaper PSUs? Best watts/hash? All of the above?!

simple here is the older rx 480 8gb msi gamer build

used six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 7200 sols for zec at 3600 watts

new build same space.

six  3 card rigs = 18 cards = 10200 sols for zec  at  2600 watts for summer
then in the same space by adding 1 riser per rig
six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 14400 sols for zec  at  3800 watts for winter.

three card all sold = super stable
four card rigs = stable
blower for all but the 1 itx 1070 = cooler


see older build below.


https://i.imgur.com/4kHmTTI.jpg

[Storx]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I'm looking for a case. How are you going to fit 5 cards in that case?  Sounds interesting.

IDK honestly i was just going over what they say in the description.. says support for 2 psu and 5 pci access...
The thing is, you can probably build smaller 3 card units for roughly the same as one larger 6 gpu unit.. most people seem to build or buy the open cases and those are running around $200 a pop.....
the reason i state this is this, most motherboards that support 6 gpu's are very costly... the ones i seem to find IN STOCK are around $180-200 each while you can get the more budget model motherboards with 2 full size x16/x8 slots and usually 1 or 2 x1 slots for $60-150... then there is the issue of purchasing risers for all those and a larger PSU to support that.. most decent 1000+ psu's are in the mid $200+ you can get a platinum 850 and less PSU on sale a lot of times for $70-100..... so you save at that point also...

So overall it seems you could build 2, 3-4 card cheat full atx builds for the same price as a single 6 gpu setup.... am i wrong to think this?

I think you're right on par.  I know there are plenty of posts on these forums on how to make a 6+ card rig.  I've never had any luck.  Any time I got more than 4 or 5, it's nothing but problems.  I'm with Phil, I stick to 3 or 4 card builds.  

With dual-wide cards, that case will support 4 cards WITHOUT backplates.  I've had my eye on it for  a while. I was curious how you were going to cram 5 cards in there.  Assuming you're not using the single-wide Katanas that Phil found,  I think you'll be capped at 4.

Considering how expensive +1000W PSUs are, I think 750W/850W 4-card builds are the sweet-spot.

Exactly... i was thinking of just doing 3 card GTX 1080ti rigs.. I should be able to get 3 cards, mobo and cpu all powered on a 700/750watt psu inside a cheap full atx case... granted mounting all that equipment on slabs of wood seems very cheap.. i just dont like the look of open rigs.. idk if the cooling is more of benefit with the open design.. just feel like its to messy... especially if my parents are going to let me sit a rig at their house lol... i would def need that in a case and neatly tucked away in a corner

[Storx]

Thanks for the feedback Phil

All going well I'm aiming for 3-4 rigs. Probably using nvoc once it has monitoring added.

I might go for the G1 cards since I'm not limited by space.

Out of interest what are your main drawcards for the mobo direct 2x1080ti/1x1070 rigs? Less complex with no risers? Smaller/cheaper PSUs? Best watts/hash? All of the above?!

simple here is the older rx 480 8gb msi gamer build

used six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 7200 sols for zec at 3600 watts

new build same space.

six  3 card rigs = 18 cards = 10200 sols for zec  at  2600 watts for summer
then in the same space by adding 1 riser per rig
six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 14400 sols for zec  at  3800 watts for winter.

three card all sold = super stable
four card rigs = stable
blower for all but the 1 itx 1070 = cooler


see older build below.


https://i.imgur.com/4kHmTTI.jpg

Phillip, does your card temps suffer with them all cramped up that tight with minimal space for the fans to move air? I would think atleast hanging them with the fans facing outwards would be a better option.. like build a small box without lid... mount the motherboard on the back (bottom of the box), then cut slots so you can hang the cards from the top (side of box) in rows of 2... so you have room for them to move air and the heat can be pushed out the top of the box....


What about using something like this and just extending the actual pci express port instead of using the powered risers? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4SR1WT7572&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Accessories+-+Cable+Management-_-9SIA4SR1WT7572&gclid=CjwKEAjwgtTJBRDRmd6ZtLrGyxwSJAA7Fy-hsEQ2C9MBbnNx7wmitSjxlGtcj18CWVhTA3aTLDfPxBoCbuHw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[philipma1957]

Thanks for the feedback Phil

All going well I'm aiming for 3-4 rigs. Probably using nvoc once it has monitoring added.

I might go for the G1 cards since I'm not limited by space.

Out of interest what are your main drawcards for the mobo direct 2x1080ti/1x1070 rigs? Less complex with no risers? Smaller/cheaper PSUs? Best watts/hash? All of the above?!

simple here is the older rx 480 8gb msi gamer build

used six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 7200 sols for zec at 3600 watts

new build same space.

six  3 card rigs = 18 cards = 10200 sols for zec  at  2600 watts for summer
then in the same space by adding 1 riser per rig
six 4 card rigs = 24 cards = 14400 sols for zec  at  3800 watts for winter.

three card all sold = super stable
four card rigs = stable
blower for all but the 1 itx 1070 = cooler


see older build below.


https://i.imgur.com/4kHmTTI.jpg

Phillip, does your card temps suffer with them all cramped up that tight with minimal space for the fans to move air? I would think atleast hanging them with the fans facing outwards would be a better option.. like build a small box without lid... mount the motherboard on the back (bottom of the box), then cut slots so you can hang the cards from the top (side of box) in rows of 2... so you have room for them to move air and the heat can be pushed out the top of the box....

Those Msi rx 480 8gb ran about six months I sold all on site and they are still running.

I did not run them hard . They were not that hot.

I still use the biostar motherboards  that are in the photo.  The key to mining is cruise control vs. pedal to the metal .

If I go to Atlantic city with my Kia Forte and drive at 105 mph I may get to AC fast but sooner or later accidents
Breakdowns tickets will cost me.

If I set my car on cruise control for 62 mph I will get there in 85 minute.

Most likely never wreck the car get a ticket or break down.

The late great David Bowie has a song with the line " wam bam thank you mam"

That is not my method of attack.

[VyprBTC]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I just bought this case to play with today and I'm actually really liking it:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133317&Tpk=N82E16811133317

[Storx]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I just bought this case to play with today and I'm actually really liking it:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133317&Tpk=N82E16811133317

I really love that case to man, but after looking into that case i read multiple threads of people complaining about the first 2-3 slots being unusable really, because anything outside of maybe a thin extender card could not fit, because it would hit the motherboard.. also many motherboards now have crazy protrusions in the area of the slots.. so a few builds they were only able to use the last 4 slots to clear obstacles on the motherboard.... this is why that case never became popular and kept its value, heck it was a $350 case when it was released...

[VyprBTC]

Are you mounting all your hardware on a wood board only? i was trying to think of ideas to build mining rigs in the future. I was talking to my parents about my mining efforts Sunday over our weekly breakfast meetup.. they told i could put one in the spare bedroom if its not going to be noisy or leave wires dangling all over.. so i was thinking of buying super cheap oversized atx cases to build them in... like my old Haf X case on my old gaming rig has room for like 6 gpus honestly like this one... https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147227&ignorebbr=1 , it can support 2 PSUs and about 5 GPU's easily for under $70

I just bought this case to play with today and I'm actually really liking it:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133317&Tpk=N82E16811133317

I really love that case to man, but after looking into that case i read multiple threads of people complaining about the first 2-3 slots being unusable really, because anything outside of maybe a thin extender card could not fit, because it would hit the motherboard.. also many motherboards now have crazy protrusions in the area of the slots.. so a few builds they were only able to use the last 4 slots to clear obstacles on the motherboard.... this is why that case never became popular and kept its value, heck it was a $350 case when it was released...

I guess I lucked out because the cards went in like butter

OMG WTF... this case was $350?!? No way I would pay that, the only reason I actually picked it up was because it was $99 at the store I went to, I said eh, what the hell, 8 expansion slots. My last 3 motherboards have been sitting on cardboard because I only had 10 cases and didn't want to buy any more since I'm probably going to move to rise builds instead to help out with density

[vg54dett]

@ vg54dett  I had issues like that  and went all gigabyte/biostar  those issuse do not happen..

I think asus and asrock do it but not gigabyte or biostar

Any idea about how to prevent this without replacing mobos ?
I had it on Gigabyte , MSI and Asus..

[flminer]

Have a little confusion with the difference in actual hashrate and zpool hashrate....a little I understand, but this is crazy. Can anyone explaint this so it makes sense?
http://imgur.com/a/vjoFk
http://imgur.com/a/XRFt7
http://imgur.com/a/tXRQj

Also not understanding the time it takes to convert to btc. Seems a lot longer than when I first started mining on zpool.
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