Evolution is a hoax

[Snub]

I have never understood the theory of the origin of people from monkeys...but it is erroneous, as Darwin himself said, and it is fixed...and it is too strange to look at the notion that all the beauties of the world could have happened of themselves from the explosion, for example

[Parodium]

I have never understood the theory of the origin of people from monkeys...but it is erroneous, as Darwin himself said, and it is fixed...and it is too strange to look at the notion that all the beauties of the world could have happened of themselves from the explosion, for example

Wow, excellent insight you have there. Very in-depth and thorough deconstruction of the theory of evolution. You just admitted you don't understand it, what makes you qualified to say it is erroneous? The fact that you said we originate from Monkeys proves your ignorance.

[BADecker]

These are all valid possibilities to the origin of life, the first is similar to the panspermia theory, where life is carried from planet to planet by asteroids, or possibly other life.

The second is the simulated universe hypothesis, whereby we are actually being simulated on a hyper-advanced computer.

Again, your word "possibilities" shows that we don't really know about evolution as a unit theory. Certainly many parts of what is suggested to be evolution have been proven factual. But they have been proven factual for other lines of thinking than evolution at the same time. The evolution theory is a mere story.

Even if parts of evolution have been proven factual, NONE of religion has been proven factual. Science has the guts to say it doesn't yet know the answers to everything, religion claims to know the answer to everything, and does not change in the face of new information.

Most people don't want to know the truth, they want reassurance that they already know the truth.

Thank you.

Since evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole, and even as a theory, believers in it have a relgion going for themselves.

I didn't say evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole. I'm saying evolution is a known FACT, we don't know 100% of the mechanisms involved because it happens over such extreme timescales, but we have proven that the broad effects are true. Religion is the belief without evidence, science is the generation of a best fit model based on the evidence available, one is based on complete delusions (religion), the other is based experimental analysis, the scientific method and constant attempts to stress test the results.

But I have showed you that evolution is not a known fact. The reason is that all the parts of it can be applied to other things, and many of the applications are far better for the other things than for evolution.

Fundamentally, cause and effect tears evolution entirely apart, because there are no random mutations. So-called random mutations were all caused by multitudes of cause and effect actions, making it all programmed whether it is evolution or not. Programming needs a programmer.

There will be no fruit in continuing a discussion with you. But I'll finish with this. Everything has a cause and effect as far as we know, random mutations occur due to cause and effect principles, UV light strikes the mitochondrial DNA, a photolytic lesion develops causing a base adjunct to occur, the replication machinery has a known error rate and this base falls within that margin of error and thus the mutations persists. You are clearly not a scientific man, thus there is no reason for me to continue discussing with, I am arguing with the facts, you are arguing with opinions, thus we are on two different scales.

If random is not opposite to cause and effect, it is at least entirely different. If mutations are random, they are not C&E based. If they are C&E based, they are not random. They can't be both.

As long as evolutionists persist in the idea that there are random mutations, they have nothing, because random has not been proven to exist anywhere. In fact, the greater the scientist, the more he/she is into C&E activity in his/her investigations.

You just flunked basic science.

I am fairly certain that I am vastly more educated than you in this field, certainly more qualified. To say that things cannot be random because everything is C&E based is absurd, random simply means unpredictable, let me see you predict which cells in your body are developing mutations right now.

The random you speak about is not pure random. All you are saying is that you don't know, when you say random. That's what quantum "this or that" is about. It is about organized guesswork - probability. So, thank you for your insight from your great education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution The peppered moth didn't ''randomly'' evolve, it changed color due to industrial pollution, thats the cause, and it's evolution is the effect. I don't see your point.

Since I didn't talk about any moths, it's very easy to understand why you don't understand my point. You are simply out of it >>> close to funny farm material.

When people understand the cause, it isn't random mutation, at least not in the sense of evolution. Rather, it is simply change.

In the case of the moth, the method of change is understood, factually. In much of the change that evolution talks about, the method of change is only guessed at, or is not even noted. Rather, the change is attributed to spontaneous (random) activity going on.

Now, if what is meant by random activity is simply that we don't know the cause and effect process, then we are accurate. But if we mean that there was a pure random change, then we are wrong. Most of evolution is attributed to pure random C&E, rather than unknown C&E. Evolution is wrong in this respect.

Since one of the basic fundamentals of scientific investigation is cause and effect, and since scientists know this, because they know what they are doing, they are hoaxing when they promote standard evolution. Why? Because all of the stuff attributed to evolution, and everything, else is a cause and effect programming. 

Evolution is a complete hoax. Good science fiction, though.

No one claims evolution is truly random, I don't know what you are talking about.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13698-evolution-myths-evolution-is-random/

The industrial revolution is a ''random'' event, It was not intended to make moths change color but it did, that's not random and no one claims it is.

Why would you think the industrial revolution was a random event? There aren't any random events. There are only events that people call random because they don't understand what made them happen.

Many people claim that parts of evolution are random. That's why evolution fails. None of it is random.

''RANDOM'' as not intended to make moths change color, are you dumb? The industrial revolution was caused by people, how does that change the truth that moths evolved or all the other animals evolve?

That is your non-random, cause and effect response. Why would industrial revolution humans not be affected by C&E in their thinking, just the way we are being caused to post the way we are, by C&E?

Because humans didn't have an industrial revolution purposely to change the color of a moth, that's why. The cause of the industrial revolution are humans and other things. That's the cause, the effects are many, one of them being moths changing color, I still don't see any problems here. What is your point exactly?

Since cause and effect operates even on humans, humans DID have "their" industrial revolution purposely. The purpose and control simply weren't theirs. In fact, the main purpose might have been to change the color of moths for the main reason of our discussion, here, in this thread, in this forum.

[BADecker]

The fact that not 100% of Darwin's theory is perfect doesn't mean that evolution is a hoax.

The fact that "evolution" can refer to anything from inorganic material becoming alive to some simple change that happens to a traffic light downtown, shows that evolution is a complete hoax. The hoaxters are the evolutionists who have proven over and over to themselves that evolution is not real, but still won't let it die as it should. Rather, they confuse the issue as much as they can so that they have an excuse to say that evolution exists... because few people can see through their massive confusion.

[BADecker]

Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

Well your point is valid as much as evolution is just a theorem and not completely proven it has also help us make meaning of much of the past that has influenced the future massively. So as much as i wouldnt stick to evolution i wouldnt throw it away either

100% of the things that make up part of so-called evolution, if not entirely false, work better in other ways with creation than they do with evolution.

[BADecker]

Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

There are so many aspects and circumstances that may affect evolution. It is not sufficient to say that since there are still monkeys now that the theory of evolution is a hoax. I mean, there are may factors why a species evolve, either it is for survival or adjustment with their environment. One species can change depending on what is needed for them dictated by their environment and other prevailing life situations. I know that this is a critical topic, because on the other hand, their is the religion-supported theory of creation.

The greatest thing that affects evolution is the hoaxter evolutionists, who know that evolution is a hoax, but keep it alive for enjoyment or profit.

[BADecker]

Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

Well your point is valid as much as evolution is just a theorem and not completely proven it has also help us make meaning of much of the past that has influenced the future massively. So as much as i wouldnt stick to evolution i wouldnt throw it away either

Why do you talk about evolution when you have no idea? Is it to increase post count or what is it? Evolution is a scientific theory not a theorem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory It is completely proven.

The idea that a scientific theory is fact, is something that is not even a hypothesis, much less a theory or scientific theory, no matter how many times scientists and others say it.

[BADecker]

I have never understood the theory of the origin of people from monkeys...but it is erroneous, as Darwin himself said, and it is fixed...and it is too strange to look at the notion that all the beauties of the world could have happened of themselves from the explosion, for example

Wow, excellent insight you have there. Very in-depth and thorough deconstruction of the theory of evolution. You just admitted you don't understand it, what makes you qualified to say it is erroneous? The fact that you said we originate from Monkeys proves your ignorance.

Perhaps he reads other science fiction, and doesn't understand it, either.

[Astargath]

These are all valid possibilities to the origin of life, the first is similar to the panspermia theory, where life is carried from planet to planet by asteroids, or possibly other life.

The second is the simulated universe hypothesis, whereby we are actually being simulated on a hyper-advanced computer.

Again, your word "possibilities" shows that we don't really know about evolution as a unit theory. Certainly many parts of what is suggested to be evolution have been proven factual. But they have been proven factual for other lines of thinking than evolution at the same time. The evolution theory is a mere story.

Even if parts of evolution have been proven factual, NONE of religion has been proven factual. Science has the guts to say it doesn't yet know the answers to everything, religion claims to know the answer to everything, and does not change in the face of new information.

Most people don't want to know the truth, they want reassurance that they already know the truth.

Thank you.

Since evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole, and even as a theory, believers in it have a relgion going for themselves.

I didn't say evolution has been proven non-factual as a whole. I'm saying evolution is a known FACT, we don't know 100% of the mechanisms involved because it happens over such extreme timescales, but we have proven that the broad effects are true. Religion is the belief without evidence, science is the generation of a best fit model based on the evidence available, one is based on complete delusions (religion), the other is based experimental analysis, the scientific method and constant attempts to stress test the results.

But I have showed you that evolution is not a known fact. The reason is that all the parts of it can be applied to other things, and many of the applications are far better for the other things than for evolution.

Fundamentally, cause and effect tears evolution entirely apart, because there are no random mutations. So-called random mutations were all caused by multitudes of cause and effect actions, making it all programmed whether it is evolution or not. Programming needs a programmer.

There will be no fruit in continuing a discussion with you. But I'll finish with this. Everything has a cause and effect as far as we know, random mutations occur due to cause and effect principles, UV light strikes the mitochondrial DNA, a photolytic lesion develops causing a base adjunct to occur, the replication machinery has a known error rate and this base falls within that margin of error and thus the mutations persists. You are clearly not a scientific man, thus there is no reason for me to continue discussing with, I am arguing with the facts, you are arguing with opinions, thus we are on two different scales.

If random is not opposite to cause and effect, it is at least entirely different. If mutations are random, they are not C&E based. If they are C&E based, they are not random. They can't be both.

As long as evolutionists persist in the idea that there are random mutations, they have nothing, because random has not been proven to exist anywhere. In fact, the greater the scientist, the more he/she is into C&E activity in his/her investigations.

You just flunked basic science.

I am fairly certain that I am vastly more educated than you in this field, certainly more qualified. To say that things cannot be random because everything is C&E based is absurd, random simply means unpredictable, let me see you predict which cells in your body are developing mutations right now.

The random you speak about is not pure random. All you are saying is that you don't know, when you say random. That's what quantum "this or that" is about. It is about organized guesswork - probability. So, thank you for your insight from your great education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution The peppered moth didn't ''randomly'' evolve, it changed color due to industrial pollution, thats the cause, and it's evolution is the effect. I don't see your point.

Since I didn't talk about any moths, it's very easy to understand why you don't understand my point. You are simply out of it >>> close to funny farm material.

When people understand the cause, it isn't random mutation, at least not in the sense of evolution. Rather, it is simply change.

In the case of the moth, the method of change is understood, factually. In much of the change that evolution talks about, the method of change is only guessed at, or is not even noted. Rather, the change is attributed to spontaneous (random) activity going on.

Now, if what is meant by random activity is simply that we don't know the cause and effect process, then we are accurate. But if we mean that there was a pure random change, then we are wrong. Most of evolution is attributed to pure random C&E, rather than unknown C&E. Evolution is wrong in this respect.

Since one of the basic fundamentals of scientific investigation is cause and effect, and since scientists know this, because they know what they are doing, they are hoaxing when they promote standard evolution. Why? Because all of the stuff attributed to evolution, and everything, else is a cause and effect programming.  

Evolution is a complete hoax. Good science fiction, though.

No one claims evolution is truly random, I don't know what you are talking about.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13698-evolution-myths-evolution-is-random/

The industrial revolution is a ''random'' event, It was not intended to make moths change color but it did, that's not random and no one claims it is.

Why would you think the industrial revolution was a random event? There aren't any random events. There are only events that people call random because they don't understand what made them happen.

Many people claim that parts of evolution are random. That's why evolution fails. None of it is random.

''RANDOM'' as not intended to make moths change color, are you dumb? The industrial revolution was caused by people, how does that change the truth that moths evolved or all the other animals evolve?

That is your non-random, cause and effect response. Why would industrial revolution humans not be affected by C&E in their thinking, just the way we are being caused to post the way we are, by C&E?

Because humans didn't have an industrial revolution purposely to change the color of a moth, that's why. The cause of the industrial revolution are humans and other things. That's the cause, the effects are many, one of them being moths changing color, I still don't see any problems here. What is your point exactly?

Since cause and effect operates even on humans, humans DID have "their" industrial revolution purposely. The purpose and control simply weren't theirs. In fact, the main purpose might have been to change the color of moths for the main reason of our discussion, here, in this thread, in this forum.

It doesn't matter though. What matters is that the moth evolved. That's our argument here, no? If evolution is real. It doesn't matter what caused the evolution, what matters is that things evolve. You believe in free will yet you are telling me that human actions are already pre destined? How does that work with your belief in God?

[Vod]

All the gorillas or monkeys in the cage should become humans right now.

A statement like that shows you don't really understand how evolution works.   

When Neanderthals evolved into humans, they didn't all evolve.  Only one mating pair would have evolved, so just their offspring would have the evolution.  All the other offspring would be the same.  Eventually the descendants of that mutated offspring received a biological advantage that made survive better, and their numbers grew.

Modern humans eventually killed the Neanderthals.  Modern humans didn't go and kill at the gorillas and monkeys. 

[Jerry Patterson]

Don't we have proof that the domestic dog evolved from the wolf?

Wolves still exist today, even though there are many domestic dogs today.

[DylerTurden]

Incredible how many people dont understand the concept of Evolution but want to bash it.
Evolution seems to be the Bitcoin of Scientific Theories

[popcorn1]

First the monkey    then the ape   and last the human..
No gods went zap and humans come to be..

1st the monkey..

Capuchin Monkeys Are Smart! - YouTube
Video for capuchin monkey▶ 5:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVyfkx_oHzA

2nd the ape..

Upright Bonobo closest species to human walk upright "wear clothes ...
Video for bonobo apes walking▶ 2:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJom0P5yALQ


3rd the humans..

Brain Washing ( Jesus Camp ''Highlights'' ) - YouTube
Video for jesus camp cult▶ 9:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

Many things evolve  ..

[achsan fauzy]

Since the first, I do not at all believe with the theory of evolution. as a religious person, I remain convinced that the human was created from soil.

[Astargath]

Since the first, I do not at all believe with the theory of evolution. as a religious person, I remain convinced that the human was created from soil.

How do you sleep at night after dropping statements like those? You are basically saying you don't want to believe in science and you would rather believe that we came from soil. How is that more believable than evolution?

[Parodium]

Since the first, I do not at all believe with the theory of evolution. as a religious person, I remain convinced that the human was created from soil.

How do you sleep at night after dropping statements like those? You are basically saying you don't want to believe in science and you would rather believe that we came from soil. How is that more believable than evolution?

"Evolution is a hoax, God pointed at the floor and converted soil into life".

[bribed]

Is this forum really the right place to discuss such topics? In my opinion its not. There are so many different opinions, religions and ethnicities coming together here and of course there are opinions coliding. I think such things should be settled out inside yourself by each and everyone, for himself. No need to try to convince others of your opinion. Just my 2 cents.

[bribed]

Since the first, I do not at all believe with the theory of evolution. as a religious person, I remain convinced that the human was created from soil.

How do you sleep at night after dropping statements like those? You are basically saying you don't want to believe in science and you would rather believe that we came from soil. How is that more believable than evolution?

Ahahaha okay, I just posted the comment above because that is my overall opinion regarding topics like this being discussed in the forum, but this made me laugh hard. Seriously dude: how can you sleep at night while believing this rather than being an evolution of blood and flesh?

[David_M]

Come on! If you don't belive in evolution maybe you also gonna deny the moon landing?.. oops I guess you are! lol

[David_M]

Is this forum really the right place to discuss such topics? In my opinion its not. There are so many different opinions, religions and ethnicities coming together here and of course there are opinions coliding. I think such things should be settled out inside yourself by each and everyone, for himself. No need to try to convince others of your opinion. Just my 2 cents.

But why not? This shows the inner world and system of belifes of a specific person, basing on this data you can know what topics you better do not rase in real life, psychology rocks man