Evolution is a hoax

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

[Flying Hellfish]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

By BADeckers own words god is supernatural.  By definition the supernatural requires belief in something not of the natural world...

As we have seen very clearly we can not have a rational natural science discussion when the supernatural is involved.

So another question BAD, is god supernatural?  A simple yes or no would be great!

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

By BADeckers own words god is supernatural.  By definition the supernatural requires belief in something not of the natural world...

As we have seen very clearly we can not have a rational natural science discussion when the supernatural is involved.

So another question BAD, is god supernatural?  A simple yes or no would be great!

It's clear that badecker wont ever be convinced of anything that he is not already convinced of. I'm simply arguing with him because it's fun and hopefully helps people that are actually genuinely interested in these topics without being extremely biased.

[2ballsfrog]

After all the evidence that science has offered us so far (and continues to do so everyday; remember that in the 15th century a revolution was made in medicine, by using clean water for each patient, not same water for all of them) some people still think it's a hoax. Unbelievable.

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

[BADecker]

After all the evidence that science has offered us so far (and continues to do so everyday; remember that in the 15th century a revolution was made in medicine, by using clean water for each patient, not same water for all of them) some people still think it's a hoax. Unbelievable.

Virtually none of the evolution evidence is based in factual observation. All except a tiny amount of lab work is based on assumptions and guesswork. Even the reasons why guesswork is supposed to be reality is just guesswork.

The tiny part of lab-work that might be attributed to evolution, fits cause and effect better than it fits evolution.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

[BADecker]

It's clear that badecker wont ever be convinced of anything that he is not already convinced of. I'm simply arguing with him because it's fun and hopefully helps people that are actually genuinely interested in these topics without being extremely biased.

If you mean that BADecker is supposed to believe the proven nonsense of evolution, why would anyone? Here is why someone else would. People need religion. Since they don't understand evolution, evolution seems to be a good religion for them. So they attempt to believe it.

I totally agree with religious freedom. I don't welcome people to believe in the evolution hoax. But if they really want to, let them have their freedom.

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations. 

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

[2ballsfrog]

don't we live in a world of proof? where is the proof? I mean you have "the book", which has a lot of authors MANY times contradicting each other - what else?

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

[BADecker]

don't we live in a world of proof? where is the proof? I mean you have "the book", which has a lot of authors MANY times contradicting each other - what else?

This is exactly what the many books of evolution do.   

[Yalovtsev]

On the contrary evolution is a natural process of mankind,from not knowing to snesamp,from not knowing how knowing how,and understand a lot of e things!The evolution of this kind of thing that helps to adapt to some broadcast and to constantly evolve,otherwise we would have long since degraded

[2ballsfrog]

so all the advancements in science and medicine was made by mistake? or by people that understand how evolution defined and formed us, allowing to live longer and healthier?

[Astargath]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

[tyutower]

The monkey question might be a little silly. But the fact that evolution is a hoax is true, and not funny at all.

Things like:
1. probability math,
2. Irreversible Complexity,
3. no beneficial mutations ever having been found, not even once,
4. no proof of missing links in the fossils,
all show that evolution is simply a hoax, used to build scientists up in the eyes of the people, so that the scientists can make money off them, one way or another.

you're argumenting the lack of evidence that science can give about the origens of us humans. but there is not a single theorie out there that can give the needed evidence. and how are scientists trying to make money from us any different then the priests who always where whealthy and had losts of gold while the rest of the people could hardly make a living?

[BADecker]

God is the maker of all things, because all things are machines in one way or another.

Badecker would say that's impossible, since a god cannot make himself and can't be the effect (caused by) something else.

Take away god, all you have left is the theory of evolution - it hasn't be proven wrong yet in billions of scientific observations.  

Badecker contradicts himself all the time like:

Free will but also everything is determined.
Everything has a cause but god doesn't.
Scientific theories are not known to be true, asks me to prove something by telling him if there is a scientific theory of that something.

He is just going insane, I think.

Now you are simply talking fud.

The free will of man is only free will. It doesn't connect to mans' capabilities. God, who is outside of cause and effect, looks at mans' free will choices, and then goes back to the Beginning, and adjusts the universe, using cause and effect to change the universe according to the free will of mankind, and the objectives that He, God, has.

Any proof for any of that? Why is god ''outside'' of cause and effect? If free will of humans is not connected to their capabilities, then why are they punished/rewarded for it?

Are you really asking if you have free will or not? Do you suddenly think that you don't have free will? Are you admitting to artificial free will in yourself? After all, cause and effect has been proven. So, any free will that you have must be artificial, right?

God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.

If mankind is punished for using His free will incorrectly, it is because he essentially asked for the punishment by using his free will the way he did. Consider the pain punishment you will get if you get your hammer, and smash you hand with it. Or, get a gun and shoot yourself in the gut, and then ask why you punished yourself. Poor God. He was only giving you what you asked for by your free will, but then you go out and blame Him for using your free will in a wrong way that gives you punishment.

God is such a giving "person," and He loves you so much, that He wants to give, give, give to you. But you are such an evil person that when you ask for bad things, and you get punishment, you blame God for it. In the judgment, God will wake you up to your wrong use of your own free will.

Can't have free will if everything is deterministic as you claim (aka having a known cause) ''
God is outside of C&E because He made it to be that way.'' HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOUGH, you are claiming things for the sake of it, where is your evidence?

Since you are unable (more likely unwilling) to understand what I have shown you over and over, why would you accept evolution as reality? Is it because evolution theory is so complex that you can't follow it, and that is why you worship it as reality?

If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now. Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.

You seem to be unwilling to put your thinking cap on and understand what is going on.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

I accept evolution because there is a ton of evidence for it. ''If God were within C&E, science would have found some little bit of Him by now'' Why? How do you know?
''Especially considering anything that is part of C&E that is big enough and complex enough to cause the whole, complex universe, would have been found already if it were part of the universe.'' Why? How do you know?
How do you know they just haven't find him and he is indeed part of the universe (if he exists, of course) And why is not finding any single piece of proof of god, evidence for god?
You seem unable to prove that everything has a cause, so you lost, again.

You forget...

Everything is moving in the universe, because absolute zero is not quite attainable.

Movement means action.

Action means existence of reaction - Newton's 3rd Law.

This means that there is cause and effect in everything, which means there are programmed changes, not random mutations like Evolution theory says.

However, if absolute zero were attained somewhere in the universe, it wouldn't be in an evolving mutation. Absolute zero means no movement. No movement means no change... no mutation.

Evolution is a hoax.

Nice analogy but it's wrong. It doesn't matter if everything is moving, what matters is the cause of the movement and you can't prove that all the things moving are caused by something instead of causeless. Besides motion is a relative concept, so you are never "moving" but only "moving with respect to something".

You still need to prove everything has a cause and also prove that god doesn't have one and also prove god exists. Man you have a lot to do.

Thank you for pointing out that evolution and evolution theory doesn't have any causeless effect evidence, to say nothing about proof.

Evolution is a hoax.

[salamyman]

So you mean that God is real and it exists?

Please, do be so kind and offer us proof.


Thank you!