The END of ICO's?

[BenchCoinToken]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

[Affilate User]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

[DigitalLemming]

No surprise this is happening the ICO's were getting out of hand becoming harder and harder to pick the legit projects. Sucks that it has to be done like this if only people were not greed driven scam artist this may not have been an issue.

[Rising Suns]

I don't think this series of events signals the end of ICOs. Regulation is inevitable. The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

[X-ray]

these ICO will seem to be continued even without chinese investors. or, the chinese investors will find a way to avoid the government regulation and will still follow any ICO freely.
i think that the government will be struggling finding the ico investors from china since they fully use cryptocoin for the funding and they have no control over the blockchain

[XbladeX]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Market doesn't carre too much when is pump then is pump. It will be hardeer promote skams since profit sharing is being abandoned while this one is best option of all rest utility tokens are pice of shiet mostly.
Not all but many of them are poor quality stuff.

[ammosov]

Not surprised. This is a channel to take money from China offshore - which is probably how many Chinese ICO investors see it. Buy here for RMB, sell there for USD. Bingo! Apparently, the stream grows fast enough for Chinese Government to take preventive action.

[pavelna07]

I don't think this series of events signals the end of ICOs. Regulation is inevitable. The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

I agree, it will not be the end of Initial Coin Offerings, the strong projects with substance will always find the way. I also would like to point out that SEC is targeting Token used as a security not currency.

[guesswhat]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

[aioc]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

You are right, they can control some organization but not all since that regulation is only applicable to some countries, but since majority of ico are born here the bitcointalk can regulate it and to some extend weed out scam ico's

[ammosov]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

However, to do this one has to first expatriate money from China, US etc to Signapore, Cayman etc.

[BigBoy89]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

No, this will not stop the ICO boom. If you check ICO raised funds statistic, you will see 800%+ increasing of volume in less than 6 moths.

Now we are seeing ICO picks and governments are just trying to get their cut.

[Glok17]

There's a lot of very bad quality projects nowadays. Way too much. I think only best project must survive. Maybe these regulations will help somehow (projects will need good lawyers?).

[mdgabrielzim]

The regularization of ICOS would be a great help to users, as it would be a great filter and the percentage of being a fraud would be much lower.

[tsaroz]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

However, to do this one has to first expatriate money from China, US etc to Signapore, Cayman etc.

I too consider ICOs needed to be regulated one way or other. With the growth in the number of ICOs, we started seeing a lot of ponzis.
Ponzi is a risky investment and it's the government who has to take steps to secure it's citizens.

[olliejjc16]

ICO's wont end, they might become regulated eventually but not for a while yet, at least outside the US and China

[Yurickz]

I do not think it will be the end of ICO's, tho they are in serious need of being regulated ... or at the very least scare away ones that are only in it to make a quick buck. I still think there are a lot of very good upcoming ICOs that have proven themselves to be legit.

[Glok17]

And here comes the update from China  Everything is red, how deep BTC/ETH will fall?

[Koadharber]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

You are right, they can control some organization but not all since that regulation is only applicable to some countries, but since majority of ico are born here the bitcointalk can regulate it and to some extend weed out scam ico's

End of ICO isnt really an appropriate word to be used.It maybe regulated but not all countries do really have the same decision regarding on this field on which its really still possible to join or invest on ICO. They might do such act but it cant really stop completely. Scam Ico's cant really be avoided and this is really a responsibility for a certain investor to look at and to be awared of.

[vectisitch]

greta news. now maybe the decent coins that have bee naround for a while will start to pick up. ico's are mostly ripoffs.

[Amalker]

If forget about the falling prices, there is a good thing, when ICO will be regulative. Most scam ICO's will gone.

[befrank]

I agree, regulation is a good thing.

[carlisle1]

those dummy project will be regulated now and we  will be able to choose between those quality project that will still proceed I think china's moves after
US is just a way for their people to avoid scam projects and I guess it wont stop anything inside crypto just look at it in a positive ways.

[MBworld]

End of ICO is like End of Bitcoin , like End of Coin A, CoinB .. but that never ends .. ICO are here to stay and they are making tides higher day by day .. just Ambrosus, a blockchain Internet of Things (IoT) platform dedicated to bringing transparency to the food and pharmaceutical supply chains, announced it has raised more than $30 million in its token presale. Following the public crowdsale in September, the project hopes to raise $100 million.

[aretebit]

USA and now China, the other countries will follow. So for all people doing ICO's just for scam (90%+): the party is over.

[phoenixdowndee]

I don't think this series of events signals the end of ICOs. Regulation is inevitable. The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

I agree, It's well known that any new concept eventually gets regulated. This could be a good thing as it will raise the bar of ICO's. Also I know that China and the US are huge markets, but there is still a huge market for it in countries where it isn't regulated (just yet)

[zidane]

In my opinion the icos killed themselves. Everyday since 1 year you see new Icos.A lot of time they are collecting big money for simple things. I invested 2 times in Icos and burned my Fingers. Now I am only investing in Communities and coins which never were dropped by Icos.

That's a reason why I will go ALL IN   Deeponion .
Maybe this will be the future Alt had by had with Bitcoin.

[gyu22]

China decided last weekend to ban all initial ICOs to study regulation:

Regulators in China have banned all initial public coin offerings pending a review and the possible introduction of regulations to control the booming market.

News that China was considering banning ICOs emerged last week when it was reported that China’s Securities and Futures Commission, the China Banking Regulatory Commission and other regulators had met and were considering a ban on all ICOs until concerns about risks were addressed.

https://siliconangle.com/blog/2017/09/03/china-bans-initial-coin-offerings-pending-review/

[Sir Cross]

Maybe these regulations made are for the better and may limit the numerous ICOs that are sprouting about because these days there are so many ICOs it makes it hard for people who want to invest and some are scams. The governments made these regulations perhaps because a number of people were victims lf scams and they want avoid similar cases in the future.

[omnik]

If forget about the falling prices, there is a good thing, when ICO will be regulative. Most scam ICO's will gone.

That means to give the more filter to get the competitive team to run ico, but it will not work as a lot of the people's prediction regarding the latest news about the ico has banned in the chinese, i think we are in the first waves of the drop.

[13abyknight]

It should've been a financial concern for all countries that more and more ICOs were coming into the scene and this was bound to happen sooner or later. A country's money going into the pockets of 'altcoin' developers when some of them remain to stay anonymous (*cough* DeepOnion *cough*) becomes an issue for any country. To have a check on this, rules and regulations are being set to make sure things don't go out of hand, not to mention the multiple scam ICOs which ran away with tons of money.

[JanpriX]

I don't think this would be the end for ICO. Even though government bodies are already trying to regulate things regarding ICO, I believe people will still find ways to open an ICO which is compliant to the rules imposed upon it. We should take note that they not really banning ICO but they are just regulating it as most of the ICOs that we had are vaporware that just scam people and the dev team walking with investors money.

[9000]

USA citizens already banned from most ICOs, now Chinese unable to ICO, and probably this kind of restriction will become more common, people been laughing at VCc, saying they're obsolete, let's see who has the last laugh...

[Grim149x]

Well, I hope not. Maybe it was the reason why most of the coins are down. I think it's fine to regulate it to lessen fraud but that's just my opinion. Hope everything will get resolved soon.

[TheFriends]

This is not the end of the ICOS. This market must remain unregulated, I think they are afraid of losing all that investment in the traditional markets in which they have a part of the fraud.

[diguyo]

Regulation for ICOs is necessary - too many scams these days. People losing out big time on things like Coindash. The numbers are increasing all the time - so many of these ICOs, and so many worthless or poorly thought out projects - it's like the equivalent of pre-ordering a video game...they're rushed to market and need to be patched up afterwards....or just die.

[NavySeals]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

China's regulation step will cause a crysis in crypto currency markets now. All of the prices saw their lowest rates and it's hard to recover loss now.

Hope, bitcoin fork won't have worse negative effect on the market on october and november.

[Morphling]

ico will not end, but i am afraid thar it may be having no matter with the normal investor, it will be monopolized by the institution like IPO, and normal people can only buy coins at high price on the exchange

[konco_kenthel]

surely it all depends on the producers all because they are giving cost injections for many participants, if there should be rules will make the more effective performance of some ico reason will be increasingly tightened performances observations at any time so that the need for wider insight.

[ctyong]

ICO not gonna ends. Yeah, there are few scam/shit coin out there and it does needs regulation so we can trust the reliability and to make sure the developer to perform. If there isn't any solution yet, then we need every one of us around the globe to against the idea of ICO to make all of this to end. Just my 2 cents.

[sui_generis]

The Monero community has been warning of the dangers inherent in presales, premines, instamines, masternodes and dev taxes since 2014. Coins that have any of these are existing on borrowed time. FINCEN has outlined what they consider a decentralized cryptocurrency very clearly, and the presence of any of the aforementioned features is a clear violation.

 Intelligent people would do well to remove coins that violate these standards from their portfolios before the hammer comes down. And rest assured that it will. The wheel of justice turns slowly, but it grinds exceedingly fine. Dash, Zcash, Ethereum, and many others are going to be ground into a fine dust.

[mrjoy15]

I don't think so, this isn't so much about whales, it's about the news coming out of China. China is going to have all ICO's "investigated by local regulatory authorities," so they can control the ICO market- I read something like about it. Don't panic, keep clam.

[erikalui]

It's better to regulate the ICOs rather than just ban them saying they are not legit like what US did. This has affected the market too and all altcoin prices have reduced to 10% of their value as people feel that the coins would be worth nothing in the future. Banning them alltogether makes no sense and some ICOs have even been following the rules in various countries except for few that are obviously illegal.

[Onika84]

I don't think so, this isn't so much about whales, it's about the news coming out of China. China is going to have all ICO's "investigated by local regulatory authorities," so they can control the ICO market- I read something like about it. Don't panic, keep clam.

Thank you for your nice statement, and this is really makes me more comfortable when I heard some bad news about ICO and government regulations. Although this also created panic selling, and caused chaos in the market. Hopefully this moment will be over as soon as.

[Cubus]

There's islands of crypto forcing in some governments - for example Russia, Singapore are moving in this direction. Maybe it's a little thing for the world, but we can get an opposite movement in face of this countries.

[Kidmat]

I don't think so, this isn't so much about whales, it's about the news coming out of China. China is going to have all ICO's "investigated by local regulatory authorities," so they can control the ICO market- I read something like about it. Don't panic, keep clam.

Thank you for your nice statement, and this is really makes me more comfortable when I heard some bad news about ICO and government regulations. Although this also created panic selling, and caused chaos in the market. Hopefully this moment will be over as soon as.

There is a need to regulates the ICO's as this is being circulating over. Yes this makes certain resolution to lessen the Scam ICO as of these days. So I believe this will be resolved soon and many supporters are still in, so no panic will be exists.

[itsonlikedonkeykong]

This is just round, phase 1, early innings.

Drain the swamp, clean up the markets and move forward.

[bhoybitcoin]

OMG!!! What's gonna happened to our earnings? This couldn't be, but if it does then that's it. It's just like a song, today it's in then tomorrow they're all gonna be out of the lists.

[laxinternational]

Regulating ICOs is not a negative thing for investors. People found this regulating act as a negative thing somehow, but this is in the benefit of the investors becasue they will expose scammer projects. This way investors will invest in more secure projects.

[erick94]

ico will look to the long term, maybe for now only china that forbids ico, but even though china is already holding ico bans but ico will keep running and popping up in this year and next year.

[perla]

OMG!!! What's gonna happened to our earnings? This couldn't be, but if it does then that's it. It's just like a song, today it's in then tomorrow they're all gonna be out of the lists.

nothing will happen to your earning. keep promote ICO that you joined and see it's price in market. in market everything can be happen and you can sell or hold your earning by yourself

[chesegrinder]

I thing it is nkt the end of all ICO as there are many scam ICO exist... This just the right thing to do to regulate every upcoming project and ICO ... The strong ICO will survive this regulation coming and we will all see whos really scam and whos legit. This the time for ICO to see who have better project and future

[yura888]

I think that this market should be regulated sufficiently. And then everything will be fine and there will be no slag projects

[PandaMiner]

USA ban ICO - China ban ICO - Europe maybe will ban ICO - Korea, Japan will be ban ICO too. So what? Or they need is hire someone from other country dont ban ICO. And we have many wait to rise fund for project. Forget premine? That is same thing with ICO

[RedNovember]

The whole premise of the blockchain revolution with bitcoin was that country states would have less say in controlling the market

Bitcoin maximalists would say this doesn't change anything

Personally, I think this will be a temporary thing, China can't stop it completely, they'd still want to phase it in

Hard to stop a technological revolution

[bavicrypto]

ico's were getting out of hand. It's better for the entire economy to have some regulations around it

[bamboylee]

Regulations does not mean end. It just means that there will be stricter implementations of ICOs. Maybe there will be lesser ICO coming out because of this but that is also a good thing. It means only those who have real projects and intentions will be going out for ICO. Lesser scam tokens and coins out there the better.

[yura888]

I do not think it's all dead. Just need to make some fixes in ICO

[Qtrez]

I am far from that word.
I am not sure end of ICO.
what is happening to the country of china.
it is a policy in an event. but it's interesting for us to investigate the background of china.
my confidence china will give permission to ico with load and state monitoring.

[Gotottack]

I don't really think banning ICOs was the problem. I think it was the lack of regulation and guidelines that cause it to go out of hand. If only governments made a way that investors will be secured then it would have not resulted to bans. The main risk here is that the ICO founders might run with the money, which has been done quite a lot of times.

[AleSergio]

ICO wont end because US and China is not the only countries, who are creating projects and ICOs.
Still others countries can do ICOs and investors from US and China can still participate in them, so there is nothing to worry about.

[Hyperme.sh]

ICO wont end because US and China is not the only countries, who are creating projects and ICOs.
Still others countries can do ICOs and investors from US and China can still participate in them, so there is nothing to worry about.

Disagree. All of the nations will fall into compliance, the same as they were forced to do for FATCA.

The legality of competitively proof-of-work mined coins are not at all afflicted by recent events.

So prior rulings about the legality of Bitcoin are irrelevant to the issue about ICOs.

The difference compared to prior Chinese regulatory actions, is that this appears to have been a coordinated event amongst regulators in many nations.

And the ETH ICO madness was entirely out-of-control and risking naive investors’ funds in a plethora of scams. It became a new Xerox copy ICO every day scam. The nations had no choice but to act. And surely the SEC and other nations will follow. I think Asia acted first because their governments are less democratic and more authoritarian, so they can act quicker. The democratic nations will follow because their regulators have the same responsibility to their citizens. The wheels just move slower in the democratic nations. Asia is finely oil machine that is more efficient than the West now.

The issue is not exclusive to China. China, Canada, Russia, South Korea, and Singapore have warned about coming enforcement action. The SEC already recently warned in the context of The DAO. Obviously the recent events are coordinated between regulators in all these nations including probably the SEC.

Click here for a longer explanation of why proof-of-work mined tokens are not investment securities and thus not afflicted by recent events.

The above link also discusses Ethereum’s ETH, Ethereum ICOs, and others.

It is also very important to note that pre-existing ICO-issued tokens, are illegal to trade and can be delisted from exchanges. Your home country can make it illegal for you to trade them. The above link explains this is more detail.

Please stop spreading the incorrect information, implying that ICOs will come back or that pre-existing ICOs can still be traded. Most people do not want to go to jail or suffer fines. Even if they regulate ICOs, these will only be tradeable on registered exchanges and will not be spendable as cryptocurrencies (i.e. not allowed to be traded decentralized). Thus these new regulated ICOs will not be very useful. It will not be the same.

Many shady exchanges and their largest traders are likely to suffer fines and threats of criminal prosecutions. Today is only the beginning of a massive global crackdown. The gears may move somewhat slowly but over the coming year there will be massive changes to the crypto ecosystem. All the hard-headed will have their fingertips burned up to their armpits as necessary for authorities to stop the rapid proliferation of investment securities scams.

[hangar18]

I don't think so, this isn't so much about whales, it's about the news coming out of China. China is going to have all ICO's "investigated by local regulatory authorities," so they can control the ICO market- I read something like about it. Don't panic, keep clam.

Thank you for your nice statement, and this is really makes me more comfortable when I heard some bad news about ICO and government regulations. Although this also created panic selling, and caused chaos in the market. Hopefully this moment will be over as soon as.

There is a need to regulates the ICO's as this is being circulating over. Yes this makes certain resolution to lessen the Scam ICO as of these days. So I believe this will be resolved soon and many supporters are still in, so no panic will be exists.

China is first country have rules about ICOs in their country and they will have new rules about cryptocurrency market soon, I bilieve my predict is right. Because China is one of countries have more speculative than other countries on the world.

[truimpheriues]

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

[Hyperme.sh]

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

There will be no greater fools to sell the ICOs to, when they are not legal.

The ICO scam model depends on selling to newbies who come in and believe these 100s of Xerox copy ICOs each have a chance to become the next Bitcoin or Ethereum.

Nobody is going to speculate on illegal ICOs, because there will be no mass market for them, thus no way to hype them.

And it is not just USA and China that are banning ICOs. Same as was the case for FATCA (a USA only law), it became enforced in every country in the world, because the USA threatened to penalize every nation that did not comply.

We’ve already got Canada, Russia, China, Singapore, South Korea, and the USA warning about ICOs.

You’d have to be blind to argue this is not a critical mass.

[meliodas]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

I think this is somehow good for the old coins who was able to establish their names. There's a lot of new coins every month. Imagine there's almost thousands of altcoins and not all of them are worth keeping. If ICOs will be regulated, there would be lesser coin which makes it good for investors. Coin value will be bigger with lesser competitors.

[vtos marketing]

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tha main problem i see is to give some test of the service not only showing the white paper and the marketing. so our ico will be launch with a working version of the service


hopefully, we can get your support in this coming months.

teaser

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Regards.

edgardo aguirre
VTOS

[geac.xraekhurcoe]

Only centralized things can end and we are talking about decentralization tech, the blockchain, designed from the ground to be unstoppable and unregulated. So some Governments want their share of those ICO's and this is also not entirely doable. Keep in mind that scams will never follow Government policy and blockchain users will always be free to judge in what to invest. If Government start to take his share of projects to create a Gov listing of their approved ICO's it will also pay less for the investor and thus reduce ROI, so basically it will stay as is for the rest of projects and those GOV listed will pay a little bit less like on IPO's. If you are an aggressive investor that love those returns of currently ICO's everything is fine. If you are basically an IPO investor than you will have your space on the crypto world and than the crypto eco system will gain again and everybody will be happy.

[Legendari]

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

I agree with you. China only 15% of the total cryptocurrency market. This is not much impact on the industry, moreover now the ico will be fewer, and therefore more capital will go to other ico and they will be successful.

[Irvinn]

ICO will continue to exist. However, the most reliable ones will remain, without elements of fraud that will be carried out in the context of possible state regulation of such countries as the US and China. Therefore, you do not need to panic.

[rizkyaza]

hopefully with the existence of this case, then there will be more stringent regulations in making ico, so that all can run according to the time in the plan, or to reduce the name of a scam, because this sometimes for them to cheat using the term ico even though the tail, besides that now is also rampant ico that does not fit the schedule so that investors feel disappointed, I agree with china but there should be a solution do not just prohibit it

[housebtc]

I think this will be the end of ICOs, we are likely to see many project going the way of Zcash, the way the token was distributed to those that backed the project and miners take the rest, or more project will go for Airdropping  which I believe will be more acceptable to the community

[unbotak]

china, singapore, Usa completely forbids its citizens to join ICO, but besides China still allow ICO outside public services like housing and fundraising, I think this is an exception because they must also think by issuing limits while making the right rules , they are aware of the potential of the ICO if it is tied to the rules of accountability fees so that the ICO's potentially scam can be minimized.

[ivanst776]

This is one step closer to regulate the ICO market because many people are getting scammed because they send money to people they don't know to project that doesn't exists and nobody can do anything to them.

If china banned the ICO's then it doesn't mean that all ICOs are stopped now and won't continue, it should take longer time to block all ICOs.

ICOs will continue running outside the China and so on.

[Halcyon Days]

No surprise this is happening the ICO's were getting out of hand becoming harder and harder to pick the legit projects. Sucks that it has to be done like this if only people were not greed driven scam artist this may not have been an issue.

I agree, finally this madness is over. There were too many ICOs which had no additional benefit, but kept repeating buzzwords presenting in their whitepaper and roadmap. I love the freedom of choice, but for all the other countries, hopefully, this will help to improve future ICOs.

[hyunee]

This will be a long way run of discussions with the government. We all know that the government only wants us to prevent from scammers. But I really do believe and think that bitcoin will have a great future in our world. It has a great impact in the economy. I do hope that the government of the countries who banned alt coins will realized how great alt coins are.

[joker8]

So many topics about ICO's. Sooner or later the good projects will be succesful.

[CryptoCMaster]

Well I think its not even begining it will just be more regulated so not many scams how are right now.

Its good thing it will be more regulated. Price will go up again soon

[weav]

No i don't think this is the end.

But it will change much , more country's will follow .
I don't think it is a bad thing if you have seen all the scam ico's over the past year just there to grab as much money as possible.

Maybe we will see more airdrop coins or simply more money to the better projects.

[inthelongrun]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Whether ICOs will come to end simply because a single or handful of countries do not have the taste of it to their liking does not necessarily follow. As regards, regulation of ICOs, I am in favor of it. People or companies and their projects should not use ICO that easily. There must be some set of rules to make sure ICOs are all legitimate and that scams and other similar schemes cannot use it for their personal riches alone.

[ipanks]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Whether ICOs will come to end simply because a single or handful of countries do not have the taste of it to their liking does not necessarily follow. As regards, regulation of ICOs, I am in favor of it. People or companies and their projects should not use ICO that easily. There must be some set of rules to make sure ICOs are all legitimate and that scams and other similar schemes cannot use it for their personal riches alone.

yes i am agree, if there is no rules to make sure the ICO is legit, then the ICO has a big opportunity to scam investor's money after the project is done and it is too risky for investor if they know that their money will gone. i hope that if the ICO is really good, they must concern with their project and their investor and will do the best for the project so their investor can take their benefits and the project can reach success for a long run.

[wantangcfftc020]

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

I think it is still ok to ICO projects, as you can see ,the market is getting worm and some hot ICO projects such as kyber and avenus will still be hard to join in, so I will keep supporting some promising ICO projects.

[blockchainmarketus]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Regulate ICOs is better to make developers work hard and work on real projects. It is avoid scam ICOs. I think we have to be positive thinking. We can't avoid being scammed. Many ICOs now are not in real projects.

[Babyrica0226]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

I don't think ICO's will come to an end, Because the decision still be in the hands of the community and investors who believe in the ICO. And even it suspend it will still be continue to rise and operate, this is just my opinion and perception.

[Argoo]

There was no end to the ICO and no. This is an unjustified panic. According to incoming information, the ban in China concerns only organizations, that is, legal entities. Citizens were not allowed to invest in the ICO. There is a normal regulation of this market.

[freebutcaged]

They thought that they could shake down the crypto markets by spreading news about ICO being illegal and they somewhat succeeded only for a few

Hours, as we can see now every single token is back to the top and some of them are even growing despite the action taken by China. it shows that

There are real people and private investors supporting these tokens and by the looks of it they are not afraid of China or any other country, these

Governments need something other than causing panic, we have seen it all before and wont dump that easy for them to have the opportunity to buy

When we try to sell.

[n4poleon]

To be honest, the only ones affected here are the scammy ones. The legit platforms are not really affected especially when they do comply with the regulations. ICO crackdowns in China were the scammiest ones, ones that are not even related to cryptocurrency in general, just pure money grab, that's the ones that are being crack down now.

[devollito]

You are just over reacting about chinese news. It is not the end. China just want to regulated it. The govetment want a small chunk of money it is called tax. We will see the moon after china goverment complete their regulation.

[pikadut]

I think ico will not end, maybe china intention to ban ico because most of the scammers,
and hopefully this will make ico better in the future and there are new rules 

[m3mbr44n]

There is so much rubbish among all the ICOs. Most of them are currently not based on a good business plan looking for financing, but a few types wanting to score a quick buck. I would like to have a full team of financial whizzkids to go through all the offerings and preselect the serious ones and filter out all the rubbish.

[konco_kenthel]

what might happen this all will be able to add security in ico so it is not easy to be broken by irresponsible people. But hopefully there is still the best side after a ban from China and many who accept this fact.

[Antivoid]

the ico end in statges, but its a good news for long term, only the rubbish and bubble removed can ICO develop healthly, most ico are scams in the past months, if not stop, there will be worse result appear

[housebtc]

I thought this is going to scare people away from ICO but looking at Aventus ICO today, this is the beginging, it is the system that will correct itself not any government because human being is design to find away around things like this. Sanity will enter the space but not until the whole ICO bubble pop first. Bitcoin will be only one of the tokens left standing in the end, then reasons will start to correct the whole ecosystem

[Hyperme.sh]

I thought this is going to scare people away from ICO but looking at Aventus ICO today, this is the beginging … because human being is design to find away around things like this …

This issuers are apparently based in the UK. They’re ostensibly emboldened by the belief that the “use value” token is a valid defence against their ICO being classified as an investment security. That incorrect belief was apparently fostered by a Coinbase white paper.

This blog argues they are mistaken.

The ICO craze will have a deadcat bounce and continue until the regulators start punishing people for breaking the securities law.

When the regulators get serious, start forcing delistings from exchanges, confiscating bank accounts and assets of issuers and affiliates, and throwing some issuers in jail who don’t have enough assets for rescission, then we will see who still wants to buy these scalding hot potatoes.

Apparently punishment will originate in Asia and then presumably later work its way over to the West given that the SEC has already issued several warnings in the context of their investigation into The DAO.

https://www.google.com/search?q=regulation+of+ICOs+in+the+UK
https://www.coindesk.com/icos-eu-will-slow-giant-regulate-tokens/
http://www.jeremybarnett.co.uk/international-regulation-of-icos-cryptocurrency-lawyer

The definitions of ‘securities’ across jurisdictions are myriad. However, most of them seem to involve elements of shared ownership or control and an expectation of profit. In the United States, for instance, the definition of a ‘security’ includes ‘a certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement’ or a ‘right to subscribe to or purchase the same’. In a similar vein, the UK Financial Conduct Authority defines a ‘security’ to include instruments with the following characteristics: ownership, control and a periodic monetary return. One may possibly argue therefore, that a ‘token’ or a ‘coin’ with profit sharing or governance rights is a ‘security’.

While securities regulators around the world are coming to terms with this new form of business entity and fundraising, entrepreneurs using ICOs are acutely aware that there lies a possibility that such tokens or coins would come under the ambit of securities law.

Regulators also probably need to weigh the benefits vs. risk outcomes. So they may be waiting to observe what happens with ICOs such as this one. To see if the risk to the naive investors is great enough to justify enforcement action.

With only a cursory glance, Aventus appears to have perhaps a valid use case, capable team, and presumable solid technology (although I did not read their white paper), so this wouldn’t be the best example of an ICO that most needs to be stopped.

[untugede]

I thought this is going to scare people away from ICO but looking at Aventus ICO today, this is the beginging, it is the system that will correct itself not any government because human being is design to find away around things like this. Sanity will enter the space but not until the whole ICO bubble pop first. Bitcoin will be only one of the tokens left standing in the end, then reasons will start to correct the whole ecosystem

it is already like that system is applied all its no more altcoin that will actually develop a program, it's just as the prefix only after it's been no news

[adamantasaurus]

I don't think it is going to be the end of ICO's just a step in the direction of regulation because a lot of people were getting scammed by all these fly by night companies that just decide to do an ICO kind of ridiculous IMO

[StockBet.com]

Not surprised. This is a channel to take money from China offshore - which is probably how many Chinese ICO investors see it. Buy here for RMB, sell there for USD. Bingo! Apparently, the stream grows fast enough for Chinese Government to take preventive action.

Chinese investors can still move money offshore without Chinese ICOs.  They can still buy Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc., with RMB and sell elsewhere for USD.

[shirokumo]

After China & Korea, Hong Kong also raised concerns about ICO:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/05/hong-kong-ico-concern/

[NathanJB]

There was no end to the ICO and no. This is an unjustified panic. According to incoming information, the ban in China concerns only organizations, that is, legal entities. Citizens were not allowed to invest in the ICO. There is a normal regulation of this market.

This is the better take on the issue that becomes hotter and hotter because of spreading not news but mere rumors. There will be no end to ICOs. Why would they end something that many people are comfortable using and many investors are supporting? Regulation is actually better. I would welcome regulations so that the ICO will be kept from scams and projects that only want money.

[ahtremblay]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

No. They will say that is premine. and sell them. No one can block crypto world

[vtos marketing]

I think the use of tokens from etherum is the best way to crowdfund real icos and pay for services, so in the long run they will be very important.

etherum have a tendency to be a future strong currency,  we are developing a social video network using etherum tokens ( VTOS)

teaser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8F1E__jnfc

be ready in the coming month we are going to start the marketing campaign

regards.

edgardo aguirre

[kuyaJ]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

it is good but we have a good or some advantage of ICO's because ICO can be in a market so there are some supply in market and also it is good for trading.

[asepsetiawan1990]

After China & Korea, Hong Kong also raised concerns about ICO:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/05/hong-kong-ico-concern/

a hard blow for ico for now. All occur due to the negative effects that arise from the ico. if the negative influence is not immediately overcome. The possibility of ICO being a very difficult consideration for Investors

[StockBet.com]

I would welcome regulations so that the ICO will be kept from scams and projects that only want money.

Regulation is a double edged sword.

Currently, securities offerings are heavily regulated.  Most start-ups would not have the resources to comply with regulations and therefore, they can only take money from friends, family and accredited investors.  This means that if ICOs are regulated, most people would not be allowed to invest.

However, most accredited investors (wealthy people) don't know anything about technology, crypto currencies and the risks involved.  A basement dweller geek understands these things better.  Regulation will put up a wall between ICOs and the basement dweller.

Yes, regulation will save some basement dwellers from getting screwed by some ICO scams.  It will also prevent the basement dweller from investing in the next Ethereum and the basement dweller is much better equipped to spot the next Ethereum than most accredited investors.

Regulators give preference to accredited investors, but their logic has major flaws:

1) Regulators think that accredited investors are better investors.  Not necessarily.  A doctor knows nothing about investing.  A surviving spouse may know nothing about business.  Celebrities are HORRIBLE investors.

2) Regulators think that accredited investors can afford to lose the investment.  A 65 year old, retired accredited investor cannot afford to lose 100% of his net worth.  If he does, the rest of his life is screwed.  An 20 year old basement dweller can lose 100% of his net worth and it won't be a serious problem.

[speakoo]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

1 . Regulating all icos , that needs a long time to come ture, that means we have a long time to play with icos.
2.Regulation is good for crypto , otherwise any shit can issue an ico , that's crazy.

[Capradina]

only china goverment banned about ico can't killer ico project, about USA with SEC is very long time not support ico project
i think ico project still can run, without china people
but crypto curency is anonymous, so all china people still can invest in ico project

I think it is still ok to ICO projects, as you can see ,the market is getting worm and some hot ICO projects such as kyber and avenus will still be hard to join in, so I will keep supporting some promising ICO projects.

Well, it is now a lot of ICO are popping up. This occurs because the market also accepts it all so many entrepreneurs and technology experts also made some cryptocurrency to realize some recana or project that they find. But the problem is what benefits we will get when she participated in the funding of the ico, so essentially everyone will still support some projects are indeed still have a level of advantages and benefits. so look for an ICO the best and not give a lot of negative things

[Vervesh]

Cryptocurrencies have become a huge progress in the world of currencies. Even if the governments forbid all ICOs, the inventors will find the way around or will simply break through. The progress can't be stopped.

[YYmeans]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Don't worry man. It's not the end of ICOs, these countries are trying to manage icos to protect investors, not forbid forever.

[lusiaga]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

i dont think so the icos will end. because not only those country who invest and contribute icos. lots country in this world currently have spirit to join and contributed icos.

[Hyperme.sh]

After China & Korea, Hong Kong also raised concerns about ICO:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/05/hong-kong-ico-concern/

UK is also contemplating regulating ICOs. Singapore, USA, and Canada have also warned.

Most start-ups would not have the resources to comply with regulations and therefore, they can only take money from friends, family and accredited investors.  This means that if ICOs are regulated, most people would not be allowed to invest.

Incorrect on both points. First, friends and family as investors aren’t exempt from securities regulation. Secondly, there is crowd funding of equity now with Regulation A (SEC) and Regulation CF (SEC). Crowd equity that targets non-accredited investors requires thorough disclosure on par with what would be disclosed if registering securities.

A downside with these crowd equity paradigms for non-accredited investors is that they are more or less country specific. Regulation CF requires that the company funded must be incorporated in the USA, and it selling to other countries may not be possible, e.g. to UK investors. This gets to be quite a mess to raise funds from people all over the world:

https://www.paulhastings.com/publications-items/details/?id=9c59e969-2334-6428-811c-ff00004cbded

We were contemplating to do a crowd equity round at launch of our project (which would be 100% legal). You would not get tokens, rather restricted shares which receive a dividend when pre-mined tokens are sold in the future by corporation (sold only when there is no longer any investor expectation dependent on the efforts of the corporation). It requires long-term investment. It removes the scammy pump & dump aspect. Short-term speculators can buy the tokens on the open markets if they prefer, and these are not issued in exchange for money, thus are not securities. But an additional downside is that most investors want to take their gains as capital gains (for tax planning flexibility), so they’d want instead of dividends to have an IPO, but the regulation of IPOs is rather onerous.

If we go that route, we’ll likely end up in some regulatory or lawsuit “purgatory” (i.e. gridlock clusterfuck) down the line. It is a huge mess that we need to avoid.

The reason we would not offer tokens via crowd equity, is because the tokens would then be restricted securities, not tradeable, and even if later registered, then only tradeable on regulated exchanges:

And the growing use of private placements like the Reg D structure is something investors should note. Namely, it means that the next generation of tokens could be securities in the view of U.S. regulators.

Thus we’d separate the investment in shares from the investment in tokens. Tokens are issued without taking money, so they are not securities and can traded legally. One way to issue tokens without taking money is to have a competitive proof-of-work mining. STEEM showed another way to issue without taking money via onboarding; and we’ll have a different onboarding variant.

Bad news for pumpers and scammers. Their party is going to be crashed by the regulators. Their ill-gotten funds will be clawed back. Always in life, crime does not pay.

Those who have issued or promoted ICOs (i.e. participated in signature campaigns thus are affiliates), I suggest getting an attorney asap. You’re not going to like what is coming.

The paradigm is changing. We anticipated this since 2015 and warned everyone. But of course most people ignored it.

Yet we are still not comfortable with any of the legal means to raise funds. So we’re still looking for a different model that can also be legal and avoid making the tokens securities.


Note for raising early stage seed capital from a small number of angel investors, then Regulation D  (which provides safe harbor) is normally used as an exemption from SEC registration of the securities (and similarly in other countries such as Canada). Specifically Rule 506(b) because it eliminates the need to register in every State where there is an investor. The only requirement is to file a simple report with the SEC and in every applicable State. Of course there are similar reports to be filed in other countries (such as Form 45-106(f1) in Canada) where there are investors.

The main point is that registration is very onerous with requirement of very thorough and strict disclosure, which consumes considerable cost, effort,  and risk to the issuer of being sued or prosecuted for omitting or misleading material facts of disclosure. Thus it is desirable for early stage fund raising to be offered only to accredited investors and only offered privately (no public advertising of the offering). In this way, only the anti-fraud aspects of disclosure apply. And there is no registration, only a simple filing of summary form.

Note that investors which are bona fide directors or officers of the corporation are considered to be accredited investors, even if they would otherwise be non-accredited (but this can not be used as a scheme to sell investment to non-accredited investors who do not offers skills to the corporation which do not justify their legitimate appointment as directors or officers). But under Securities Act Rule 4(a)(2) these must be registered with each respective State, unless they are being given away and not sold.

Recently it became much easier to resell restricted (even “control”) shares, and accredited investors can apparently purchase restricted shares from other accredited investors directly. Yet that still is quite restrictive for those who want capital gains and not dividends.

Disclaimer: IANAL. This is not legal advice.

[ahtremblay]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Don't worry man. It's not the end of ICOs, these countries are trying to manage icos to protect investors, not forbid forever.

they just try to protect investor and block laundering money

[Hyperme.sh]

Written in 2016 (not by myself):

All of the ICO's you mentioned issued unregistered securities illegally not only in the US, but in the Commonwealth, Europe, etc...most juristictions of the world have regulations to protect unsophisticated investors, such as yourself, from yourselves.

Kraken is not the issuer, so they commited no crimes. They issue nothing, they just provide a secondary market according to the rules.

Are you learning disabled?

I made an analagy about selling illegal things. Tech startups issuing unregistered securities and selling them to Americans are exactly as illegal as heroin. It doesn't matter where the startup is based. It doesn't matter where the heroin is produced. Neither the drugs nor the unregistered securities may legally be sold in America, and most other modern jurisdictions.

Nobody has been busted...yet. You may be holding securities where all the principles are suddenly renditioned and jailed. I don't care because I am not stupid enough to hold securities where the managers are criminals. And could be renditions with bags over their scammy heads and imprisoned at anytime. Fall of the security price is a certainty, suddenly, without warning. And, this is the single most likely scenario.

You evidentially are that stupid. Musical chairs: when the music is over your dumbfuck crap drops to hell. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered on Reddit.

You believe you can make up your own laws? Dumb fucks like you get raped in prison every day.

This is awful complicated stuff. Are you sure you are smart enough to be involved in a market where illegal and legal are confusing concepts for you?

[BurhanPSG]

I don't think this series of events signals the end of ICOs. Regulation is inevitable. The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

I also think that ICO will not end but more tightened for some reason.
ICO's success is not from regulation that prevents them, but how an ICO team can manage strategy, convince investors, sell or buy.
they are all important elements of the success of an ICO Project.

[Mr.cryptos]

The ICO ban by the Chinese government is just to protect their citizens for obvious reasons. I think with out the USA and China, there is still the rest of the world so definitely its not the end of ICO's.

[mvillar]

I don't think this is the end for ICOs, but the FUDFest has started and future ICOs will be able to raise smaller funds, that's for sure.

[Hyperme.sh]

The ICO ban by the Chinese government is just to protect their citizens for obvious reasons. I think with out the USA and China, there is still the rest of the world so definitely its not the end of ICO's.

You do not seem to understand the dilemma from the standpoint of an honest developer such as myself who wants to raise funding but not get in trouble with the law.

Those other countries that you refer to which have unclear regulation, are a huge risk. If I do an ICO and sell only to people in those countries, not only do I eliminate the countries where people have the most money to invest (e.g. UK, USA, China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Canada, and Hong Kong which all planning to stop ICOs), but worse than that, I can later some years from now be retroactively found to have violated common sense notions of securities and become culpable under the law.

So honest developers won’t risk it. Instead you’ll have the scammers who seem to not care and have a criminal mindset who are offering the ICOs.

That is a dysfunctional outcome. And the regulators of the G20 are waking up and realizing it can’t be allowed.

I wish there would be some globalized regulatory standard asap, but there will not be soon.

Thus honest people should not be touching ICOs. They shouldn’t issue them, nor trade in them. Unless they have a criminal mindset and do not care about their future trouble with the law.

Additionally, as I have pointed out numerous times already, the ICO-issued tokens (even if legally issued) will be at best illegal to trade on non-regulated exchanges and via P2P spending (and at worst unregistered and illegal to trade). IOW, an ICO-issued token becomes encumbered with future regulation issues and is entirely unsuitable for a decentralized ledger cryptocurrency token.

Startups who embark on the ICO journey are creating automated value transfer systems that operate across borders with no KYC. These systems, once turned on, cannot be turned off or controlled. But the startups will continue to be expected to maintain them.

This is not easy, technically or legally. For this reason, the SAFT is clearly not anything near a cure-all for the compliance issues an ICO startup will later face, whether in the field of securities regulation or otherwise.

An interview about SAFT explains some of the issues, but do realize I disagree that the SAFT is a valid solution.

[subG]

I don't think it's the end of ICO's but it will surely affect the amount of money raised since the USA and China won't be participating.  The days of crazy amounts of bitcoins and ethereums being thrown at ICO's might be over and it will take much more work to get investors. 

[Hyperme.sh]

…since the USA and China won't be participating.

Why do you not mention Russia, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Canada, and the UK, which have all warned that more regulation of ICOs is probably coming.

Japan regulates the hell out of everything, so surely they will join the regulation party.

Also the EMSA (EU) can regulate ICOs in a heartbeat:

https://www.coindesk.com/icos-eu-will-slow-giant-regulate-tokens/
https://news.bitcoin.com/europe-power-ban-blockchain/ <- “Europe Will Have Power to Ban Blockchain Tech in January 2018”

[tk808]

As long as there is unregulated flow of anything valuable, governments and people will seek to control it. China is only the first and they will break the iceberg with this.

How powerful are major players in the U.S. markets and investing over the U.S. government to stop them for any regulation? We'll find out, we know all these big guys have only gotten into crypto in the last 1-2 years.
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[BurhanPSG]

China is indeed the largest global market in Asia if for ICO project affairs, how the community controls the problems that exist in china and stop regulations that prohibit the manufacture of ICO in one of these largest markets.
I keep wondering if this kind of thing is only temporary or forever?

[ruffles2016]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

[Hyperme.sh]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

It’s the end of ICOs in terms of:

Additionally, as I have pointed out numerous times already, the ICO-issued tokens (even if legally issued) will be at best illegal to trade on non-regulated exchanges and via P2P spending (and at worst unregistered and illegal to trade). IOW, an ICO-issued token becomes encumbered with future regulation issues and is entirely unsuitable for a decentralized ledger cryptocurrency token.

They ICO-issued tokens will become regulated in the manner stocks are. They will trade on regulated exchanges. You can’t spend them to another person like a cryptocurrency. Thus they can’t actually be used on the decentralized ledger. They won’t legally be able to have any utility other than perhaps to be burned as some form of utility. The main benefit over stocks might be there will be more exchanges (not just the Dow Jones and NASDAQ).

If the regulators were to allow ICO-issued tokens to trade freely (i.e. as a cryptocurrency), then they will have lost control over rampant, fraudulent speculative tragedy-of-the-commons mania.

Additionally until nations are able to harmonize their securities regulation, ICO-issued tokens will have to issued according to a particular nation’s securities regulation, and thus not be suitable way to raise funds from the crypto community globally.

We’ve been in a situation where the rules are very uncertain with many different nation-state jurisdictions. And it is very legally risky for anyone to be involved with ICO-issued tokens in any way, even buying and selling them. Yet only now are readers beginning to wake up to the legal risk they face and contemplate if they better stop trading ICO-issued tokens. Yet so many others are dominated by their greed and will continue to attempt to trade ICO-issued securities under the assumption that the governments can’t incriminate so many people. I think they’re gravely mistaken. The reason the regulators are stepping in now, is to stop it before the number of people incriminating themselves is too great.

It is possible that ICO-issued tokens could continue to trade clandestinely but the key players will be hunted down and punished. Those ICO-issued tokens will not be mainstream. Law abiding public will shun them.

Filecoin is not a counter example.

[Grim149x]

I don't think so. I think that it's good for ICO's to be regulated because scam ICO's could be lessened. And if ever I invest then I'll have a better peace of mind.

[Dot99lr]

If anything I think it will be good in the long term. It may help to weed out the shitcoins and scams.

[nikolaich]

Regulation is inevitable. It`s now a wild wild west. I think with regulation, more money will come in.

[pigheadbig]

I do not think it will be end of ICO since there are still some hot ICO projects now, and some ICO projects will be there in the coming days, I think it is a good way to raise money for development but the dev team should be more careful.

[The_Dark_Knight]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Since bitcoin was created as a decentralized currency that is against this kind of measures taken by governments, I will say that even if this lowers the amounts of scam coins this is something that I do not agree, we cannot let governments to dictate what is right and wrong in crypto that is a very dangerous step, if you want to see less scam coins then you need to stop investing in them.

[johnFFFF]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

This won't be happening. Countries can take regulations, but this will never help them regulate the ICO structure barely. This will only a fear factor for ICO conducters that's all.

They can create companies in Singapour, Cayman Islands etc. They keep it anyway.

You are right, they can control some organization but not all since that regulation is only applicable to some countries, but since majority of ico are born here the bitcointalk can regulate it and to some extend weed out scam ico's

End of ICO isnt really an appropriate word to be used.It maybe regulated but not all countries do really have the same decision regarding on this field on which its really still possible to join or invest on ICO. They might do such act but it cant really stop completely. Scam Ico's cant really be avoided and this is really a responsibility for a certain investor to look at and to be awared of.

I really agree i THINK icos need to be regulated in order to make the difference between scam and relevant one. But it s still a interesting way to make money by speculating on the token and the project himself.  You need to check several essential points before doing this king of purchase

[salinizm]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Neither China nor Usa can sound the death knell for ICO's. Besides this, Many of the ico are not be made available for USA's citizens. For that reason, I think that bad news which will come from china and usa will have instant impact on prices. Crypto world is future and it is a revulotion and nobody can hinder it.

[cryptoadmire]

I don't think this is the end of ICO's they will just evolve to get around the ban. I am sure right now there are some "ICO's" going on in China.

I do believe that regulation is not something that should be feared, but welcomed. Although it does depend on if the regulations are there to allow great projects to rise above crappy ones, or if it is just to suffocate ICO's in general.

I read an interesting article about the ramifications of the China ICO ban and it helped me form my opinion. I would recommend you give it a read.

https://medium.com/@crowdholding/china-ban-on-icos-not-all-doom-and-gloom-74daf814209c

[ccccccc7]

Regulation doesn't mean that it will be the end. Just some more things you have to consider before launching an ICO.

[Warren Buffert]

Regulation doesn't mean that it will be the end. Just some more things you have to consider before launching an ICO.

Indeed, exactly this.
Regulation should (hopefully) mean less scams, not ending all legit ico's.

[Marry Finch]

I believe that it is impossible to stop the new ICO. Investors and developers of ICO will always find a way to find each other. Measures to prevent them in certain countries can not be achieved. And the conduct of ICO in some countries, such as Japan has already been regulated by law.

[Michaelsch]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

Agree! And isn't it a good thing for us? Some people from government will do part of our researches))) more regulated ICOs are coming already)

[vuvanle120]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

Agree! And isn't it a good thing for us? Some people from government will do part of our researches))) more regulated ICOs are coming already)

ICO will be the future and not the past. However, I'm seeing more and more companies do pre-sale (pre-ICOs) prior to ICO. The fund pool of ICOs will be reduced in the future.

[Michaelsch]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

Agree! And isn't it a good thing for us? Some people from government will do part of our researches))) more regulated ICOs are coming already)

ICO will be the future and not the past. However, I'm seeing more and more companies do pre-sale (pre-ICOs) prior to ICO. The fund pool of ICOs will be reduced in the future.

I'm not following you.. What do you mean? How are pre-sales and fund pools connected?

[moataz_ansary]

Not all ico I think that only real great projects and strong ico will get chance
But other scam ico will be dead

[TagaMungkahi]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

I just hope all country can do this kind of regulation on ICOs with that regulation we can get the assurance that this ICO is definitely not a scam because it is regulated by the Government meaning, Regulation on ICOs could result into less SCAMS, and can provide a way for investors to focus on true ICOs that can give potential for profit-making and can build a good return of investments.

[CrazyCreeptonaut]

the ICO's are not dead
Komodo platform will solve that issue

[diskodasa]

the ICO's are not dead
Komodo platform will solve that issue

what komodo can do? protect us from scam ICO? ICO can't dead. just like IPO. after dotcom bubble explosion IPO still alive

[nydiacaskey01]

There will be ICOs that will sprout like mushroom out from no where, those who says will protect the investors of possible ICO scam might be the scam after all. Nothing beats doing your own research and read a lot about the ICO that you plan to join or invest, its like gambling, invest only what you can afford to lose.

[Viecoin]

There will always be ICO's of some type. Maybe just a different name. Like changing "Giveaway"  to "Airdrop".

[asepsetiawan1990]

There will always be ICO's of some type. Maybe just a different name. Like changing "Giveaway"  to "Airdrop".

so true. there are still many thoughts that can be realized that can resemble ICO. Maybe with a different system. But I think ICO is still quite strong and has become a big mindset in the world of cryptocurrency. Contradictive does give a pretty strong reaction. But there are many great thinkers in this world

[bj2639]

it is probably better for crypto if they end up being trusted by the majority of people.

[Pasutinmeur]

the ICO's are not dead
Komodo platform will solve that issue

what komodo can do? protect us from scam ICO? ICO can't dead. just like IPO. after dotcom bubble explosion IPO still alive

What a jokes, Komodo just like other icos, But ICO can dead as long as if the government try to make that as a illegal project. and every people run the icos will be considering as run the illegal business too.
Komodo can't do anything with the scam icos especially for protect use from that and what a joke.

[ethereumhunter]

if one country is banning the ico, i am sure that the other country is allow ico. ico still promising to attract more investor but they must know the details of the ico itself before they invest in large money. ico will stay for a long time as long as they can make a better project for many people and they don't just make money from the projects.

[BitPACK]

this is decentralized world. it is impossible to ban it. how the government can know you are invest or not? it is impossible.

[bj2639]

this is decentralized world. it is impossible to ban it. how the government can know you are invest or not? it is impossible.

They'll know if you do bank transfers/credit card deposits, and if you have ever mentioned your crypto-address in a manner that can be associated with you. For example, if you are logging on your own IP and providing a BTC address, the government will now know that the IP address and crypto-address can be linked. Then it just becomes a matter of checking ISP records and seeing that it is Joe Blow's home internet and they will assume it is Joe Blow's account.

[Herdirfauzi]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

according to what you say is good for old coins that already exist in other big markets, then what if there is a new project that wants to issue ICO? may be the impact of the ICO set up because of the frequent use of blame as well as fraud. sure enough to invest in old coins.

[Herdirfauzi]

this is decentralized world. it is impossible to ban it. how the government can know you are invest or not? it is impossible.

They'll know if you do bank transfers/credit card deposits, and if you have ever mentioned your crypto-address in a manner that can be associated with you. For example, if you are logging on your own IP and providing a BTC address, the government will now know that the IP address and crypto-address can be linked. Then it just becomes a matter of checking ISP records and seeing that it is Joe Blow's home internet and they will assume it is Joe Blow's account.

I first heard that those who make bank transfer / credit deposit and mention crypto address will be known by the government, simply understand what you describe. but can you provide linked articles related to that problem?

[Thndr]

China doesn't matter with crypto world. and even they ban bitcoin or ico people still have their own way to invest and buy it.

[Noore Najjar]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

nah mate , i dont think ICOs will come to an end , probably because they always had new idead and new innovation , there are so many crypto investor not only US and china , they maybe have strict rules but crypto things is not just depend on that 2 country

[Immorta]

Pussyfied ICOs & coins will go, hardcore distributed & decentralized will stay )

[TheUltraElite]

There are many ICOs which have a bright future and are actually doing something and not spreading social awareness about some shitcoin. Therefore once the big countries (whom the OP talks about) realize that they are missing out on it and comparatively other so called poor countries are gaining on them - there will be a change. Soon they will realize their mistake and it will be all the same again. The panic in the market is created by some whales since they are desperate to join. There will be stability in ICOs soon enough.

[AiloveYouks21]

ICO is now mostly not qualified just to raise funds it is very disgusting because it creates shitcoin and new shitcoin which is not useful at all.

[wayaneka]

I think ICO will never end as long as there are many people who have new ideas and innovation to create a product or service to solve a problem in fintech or others. What is needed now is the regulation for ICO so that there are no ICO scam.

[nightshade_sc]

Don't buy into the FUD. ICO's aren't going away and all of this drama will wash over in time. Just have faith in crypto and keep making gainz.

[Triload]

Hope less ICO because too many ICOs make the good previous projects dumped.

[xiaohang07]

Regulation is inevitable and necessary, which will render the eco-system of cryptocurrencies more healthy and legitimate.

[trecore4]

It won't be good because when regulation will come in effect the new comer will have to go for obtaining the licenses and the procedure will take long time to get in. This way ICO will start forming very slowly and there won't be any good coin coming as early as it comes right now. We will have to wait long to get a good ICO and our investments clubbed together.


It might be good for us in legality perspective. Because having legalised things means decreasing the scam promotion in first place. Hope it brings good to us and they dint ban the thing completely.

[pitiflin]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

One of the main reasons for why ICOs are being regulated is that a few of them turned out to be a scam and run away with the public's money. And its also been stated that ICOs are an illegal way of earning money. If all ICOs are regulated soon, then the currencies that are already there in the market will start to rise more and more.Even if not you see new unique thingsdeveloped every day, so both ways you can get some profit.

[thangoffshore]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

One of the main reasons for why ICOs are being regulated is that a few of them turned out to be a scam and run away with the public's money. And its also been stated that ICOs are an illegal way of earning money. If all ICOs are regulated soon, then the currencies that are already there in the market will start to rise more and more.Even if not you see new unique thingsdeveloped every day, so both ways you can get some profit.

A large portion of them are scam, literally. I don't like the regulation, but in this case, it may be good to use it to stop the madness.

[bj2639]

this is decentralized world. it is impossible to ban it. how the government can know you are invest or not? it is impossible.

They'll know if you do bank transfers/credit card deposits, and if you have ever mentioned your crypto-address in a manner that can be associated with you. For example, if you are logging on your own IP and providing a BTC address, the government will now know that the IP address and crypto-address can be linked. Then it just becomes a matter of checking ISP records and seeing that it is Joe Blow's home internet and they will assume it is Joe Blow's account.

I first heard that those who make bank transfer / credit deposit and mention crypto address will be known by the government, simply understand what you describe. but can you provide linked articles related to that problem?

Snowden leaks, they have access to every message transferred electronically, so if you have ever entered your crypto-address into a non-encrypted place, BOOM, they have it and can tie it to the computer that sent it.

[ask]

The solution on ICO (and Scams) is only self regulation. We are all against to regulations. Thats why we support crypto currencies.
So there is only 1 solution left for scammers and its called "Self Regulation" we will see this is happening end of 2017

[coinfinder000]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Not all , it's not regulated in some countries , like Russia.You can still join in some icos .I have to tell you ico is harder to be listed in exchanges, that means ico is far away from quick profit .

[Temmy007]

 ICO will never end as long as there are many people who have new ideas and innovation to create a product or service to solve a problem in fintech or others. What is needed now is the regulation for ICO so that there are no ICO scam.

 Nothing beats doing your own research and read a lot about the ICO that you plan to join or invest, its like gambling, invest only what you can afford to lose.

[TheDAL]

Absolutely agree that it will be good in legality perspective...of course, it will take a long time to bring the reform to perfection, and to exclude all loopholes for scammers, as well as all the attendant bureaucracy will slow down the ICO's development, but still..the investments are going to be more reliable and prospective

[TrueAnon]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Not all , it's not regulated in some countries , like Russia.You can still join in some icos .I have to tell you ico is harder to be listed in exchanges, that means ico is far away from quick profit .

What this guy says.
The new hot ICO's are going to be the ones compliant with the law. That is if you want to get listed on an exchange with some decent volume (like bittrex or even (still) Polo)

[carlisle1]

Absolutely agree that it will be good in legality perspective...of course, it will take a long time to bring the reform to perfection, and to exclude all loopholes for scammers, as well as all the attendant bureaucracy will slow down the ICO's development, but still..the investments are going to be more reliable and prospective

correct with this points of view it will going to secure investors as we see a lots of scam project has been raise using the ico and with this actions
I think it will also benefits the people who love taking risk though the time frame will really take some time before the results of your investment.

[Drizzlepistol]

why u think this is the end of ICO. investor now smart than before. they known a project is scam or not

[oreits11]

the regulation of future arrange with ico scheme helps as referring better with the chance as partisan with the crypto currency business to gains with confidence to interact with the colateral relation between developer of service and future investors of the company with the ico
as delegitimate position with the chance as displacing unit of appropriation with the investment schemes.

[100degrees]

i would say create your coin now, its going to be much harder down the road

Rory

[bhabygrim]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

It's hard to panic now, all we can do is for wait for confirmation. However, I don't think that other major countries would even follow China's actions. What Chinese people did was stupid and they would realize it in the future. I think other countries are wise enough to realize that banning ICO is not a good thing to do.

[The_Dark_Knight]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

ICOs are going to continue doing business as usual they are just going to avoid countries with a heavy regulation, and the citizens of those countries will be left with two options, losing access to this lucrative market and have access to only a few icos or as I suspect many are going to find a way around the regulations and will keep investing in those projects anyway.

[Zerosk]

This is just the beginning. ICOs wont end, they will only become regulated and it will be safer to invest

[stripykitteh]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

It's not the end of an ICO because there's people that can hide from the Government and use the computer with the setting that they wanted it to have.

[rizkyhiw]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

ICOs are going to continue doing business as usual they are just going to avoid countries with a heavy regulation, and the citizens of those countries will be left with two options, losing access to this lucrative market and have access to only a few icos or as I suspect many are going to find a way around the regulations and will keep investing in those projects anyway.

Yeah they will remain there , just the matter of people interest ,
After several bad news attacking , it's really decreased the amount people invested ,
They are fear it won't profitable anymore ,
Regulated ICO won't be a good business at all , china just did whatever they think has a big threat.

[Sarcasm]

I don't agree that ICOS gonna end in matter of time. I believe there will be lot more regulated icos incoming. So it will be harder to cheat people. There could be less ICOs than right now but it is still going to better.

ICOs are going to continue doing business as usual they are just going to avoid countries with a heavy regulation, and the citizens of those countries will be left with two options, losing access to this lucrative market and have access to only a few icos or as I suspect many are going to find a way around the regulations and will keep investing in those projects anyway.

Yeah they will remain there , just the matter of people interest ,
After several bad news attacking , it's really decreased the amount people invested ,
They are fear it won't profitable anymore ,
Regulated ICO won't be a good business at all , china just did whatever they think has a big threat.

I think this is not the end of an ico,
ico will still exist if the digital currency still exist in this world

[Jibit]

this is not the end of ICO. this is the start when people known how to  stay away scam ICO

[bj2639]

this is not the end of ICO. this is the start when people known how to  stay away scam ICO

I suspect that we will see a rubber band effect where things might calm down for a bit, but then rapidly grow again.

[deppil]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Not all , it's not regulated in some countries , like Russia.You can still join in some icos .I have to tell you ico is harder to be listed in exchanges, that means ico is far away from quick profit .

thats true, i think just because one country forbids ICO circulating in their country does not mean the future of ICO is over, i think it is a misguided generalization there are still many countries that do not prohibit and have regulation like china. besides that the ban from other country will not any mean to another country

[FrayDigger]

When is the ARToken's  ICO finished?

[Prodigan786]

It’s the good sign regulating Ico because there is lots of Ico coming up with only scam intension to rob people money . If Ico is genuine and it approved by the countries regulation law then there should not be any problem. Even some of ico like change bank and step exchange doing well after China ban.

[gyu22]

Three days ago the Gibraltar Financial Services Commission, announced its willing to place new regulation to  cryptocurrency exchanges from January 2018 and also ICOs in the near future. The commision explains they want to covering the promotion and sale of tokens and also a taxation scheme, the two sides of the coin.

 

[stomachgrowls]

Three days ago the Gibraltar Financial Services Commission, announced its willing to place new regulation to  cryptocurrency exchanges from January 2018 and also ICOs in the near future. The commision explains they want to covering the promotion and sale of tokens and also a taxation scheme, the two sides of the coin.

 

Its not surprising anymore and i already did anticipated this thing to happen since it been sparked already by some countries then for sure other would go with the trend specially into those country which they saw that their citizens are involve mostly on these ICO. They would really impose taxation since they know they can able to make money on here.

[fidentiaX]

personally, i think ICO are here to stay, however more and more regulatory intervention will be the norm going forward which is not entirely a bad thing.

More progressive regulators will have to strike a balance between stifling innnovation and protecting investor's interest.

[Yhotolu]

It's no wonder that this happens when the ICO gets out of control and it takes a lot of scam, it's harder and harder to choose legitimate projects because they've been up a lot at the moment.

[tstang]

It's true there is a lot of scam projects and it's harder to find a good one. But I truly believe there is a big future of ICO's, so we now just need more patience to do our researches.

[Ucy]

Imagine if someone had 10years ago banned or destroyed Google, iPhone concept and other similar emerging companies for Microsoft to survive, you probably wont be typing on your smartscreen and using Google search

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

[wimpythunder]

It's true there is a lot of scam projects and it's harder to find a good one. But I truly believe there is a big future of ICO's, so we now just need more patience to do our researches.

maybe paid consulting service is needed

would you pay to get answers about ICO from technical experts?

[hisuka]

It's no wonder that this happens when the ICO gets out of control and it takes a lot of scam, it's harder and harder to choose legitimate projects because they've been up a lot at the moment.

Thats why when investing we need to do some research which ico project is good. There have been a lot of ico these days and its hard to find a legit ones and a good project. But I think ICO will still exists in the future as long there is needed of regulations to halt the scam projects.

[Byakuya]

I think ICOs do not end, but they are not as interested as the old. There are still ICOs that are highly interested.

[fidentiaX]

It's no wonder that this happens when the ICO gets out of control and it takes a lot of scam, it's harder and harder to choose legitimate projects because they've been up a lot at the moment.

Thats why when investing we need to do some research which ico project is good. There have been a lot of ico these days and its hard to find a legit ones and a good project. But I think ICO will still exists in the future as long there is needed of regulations to halt the scam projects.

Regulators can only prescribe so many controls and scammers will still find ways to go around the system. The most impt thing to do before participating in an ICO is to understand the business solution and don't put all eggs into one basket. Diversification is key to all investment.... and if its too good to be true, then its most likely not true!

[bstewart]

Does this really make a difference? Many ICOs are already banning the US as it is, and many companies are in countries outside of direct SEC jurisdiction. What affect will this actually have?

[bstewart]

The solution on ICO (and Scams) is only self regulation. We are all against to regulations. Thats why we support crypto currencies.
So there is only 1 solution left for scammers and its called "Self Regulation" we will see this is happening end of 2017

This. Crypto exists as anathema to regulation. It's hilarious to see people in this space calling for regulation.

Either way, I'm interested to see how this all plays out.

[fidentiaX]

Does this really make a difference? Many ICOs are already banning the US as it is, and many companies are in countries outside of direct SEC jurisdiction. What affect will this actually have?

ICOs are excluding investors from juristriction that has clearer interpretation or treatment of ICO (e.g. Singapore, US, maybe even China), however i think the regulators hasn't really cramp down hard on ICOs entirely. All they need to do is impose ridiculous requirements on banks and choking ICO funds from moving into fiat.

[wantjokull]

Not really, if it would have been the end of an ICO world then you would have known it from the bitcoin getting collapsed. Because most of the money that goes into ICO world comes from the bitcoin conversion to ethereum and so on.


Anyway, though these countries have banned the ICO program but they have done it to stay away from the scam that might happen. But the china could turn other way round soon, the news coming that they might introduce the regulated ICO so that these people will have to acquire the license first and then launch the projects. Which means there will be complete security of money that they will invest. Hopefully this tells us a lot and no ICO will go down like that. Who knows all the other countries will also make it regulated environment and thus the industry will bloom with lots of white investment.

[axiline]

I think it should sometime happen. Now there are a lot of ICOs that do not even have a product that are blown away after fundraising or at this stage. I think regulation will begin to weed out weak projects.

[skullsandbones]

I don't believe it the end of ICO's yet - I believe that soon everything will become regulated and the game will change!

[foz27]

The solution on ICO (and Scams) is only self regulation. We are all against to regulations. Thats why we support crypto currencies.
So there is only 1 solution left for scammers and its called "Self Regulation" we will see this is happening end of 2017

This. Crypto exists as anathema to regulation. It's hilarious to see people in this space calling for regulation.

Either way, I'm interested to see how this all plays out.

Crypto grows to a trillion+ market cap, or crypto remains unregulated, pick one.

[arpon11]

If we are to be truthful to ourselves ico project need to be regulated in others to build confidence in the mind of the investors. We are having many scamming project pumping up daily and the issue is that nor of them could do what they have promised in they projects, when the project get listed before you know they are dump.

[cryptotal]

I think not. Regulation should be done. A more strict rule on creating an ICO. I agree that old coins will benefit from this. 

[blacktux88]

I can not imagine a country break a whole idea. What I am sure is that the countries must controll what happens with the money, many users have of course very quickly made money here.
After the government gets controll into it  icos will be as good as they was.

 

[alien-fx2]

People will always find a way to invest in these things. There are already projects in which not only investors, but also developers are anonymous.

[kirito1614]

The regularization of ICOS would be an incredible channel and the level of being a misrepresentation would be much lower. Control is unavoidable. The most grounded ICOs will at present figure out how to succeed. Regardless I think there are a great deal of good up and coming ICOs that have turned out to be genuine. Despite the fact that administration bodies are as of now attempting to manage things with respect to ICO, I trust individuals will in any case discover approaches to open an ICO which is consistent to the principles forced upon it. We should observe that they not by any stretch of the imagination forbidding ICO yet they are simply managing it as the greater part of the ICOs that we had are vaporware that simply trick individuals and the advancement group strolling with speculators cash.

[zahed]

I heard ICO just ban for China or U.K i think.China already declared ICO is ban for this country.I think its regulation fact by their government.Many ICO is scam this is big main reason.

[Goodween]

I dont think so the ICO's will end soon but in the future it can really happen.
The ICO ban by the Chinese government is just to protect their citizens for obvious reasons.
I think without the USA and China, there is still the rest of the world so definitely its not the end of ICO's

[twicezeroiszero]

I dont think so the ICO's will end soon but in the future it can really happen.
The ICO ban by the Chinese government is just to protect their citizens for obvious reasons.
I think without the USA and China, there is still the rest of the world so definitely its not the end of ICO's

Although the ICO market will be not end by the Chinese government.
But I think them had affected to this market and made the mentality of investors doubt in this field.

[gyu22]

I dont think so the ICO's will end soon but in the future it can really happen.
The ICO ban by the Chinese government is just to protect their citizens for obvious reasons.
I think without the USA and China, there is still the rest of the world so definitely its not the end of ICO's

Although the ICO market will be not end by the Chinese government.
But I think them had affected to this market and made the mentality of investors doubt in this field.

I agree that investors will be more cautious due to the Chineese ban, but I don't think banning is the solution for scams. I think is better a regulation of the information, ICOs should informe about the pros and cons, and in my view the community can set the rules. If a government regulates something, this means they would tax it somehowe.

[The_Dark_Knight]

It won't be good because when regulation will come in effect the new comer will have to go for obtaining the licenses and the procedure will take long time to get in. This way ICO will start forming very slowly and there won't be any good coin coming as early as it comes right now. We will have to wait long to get a good ICO and our investments clubbed together.


It might be good for us in legality perspective. Because having legalised things means decreasing the scam promotion in first place. Hope it brings good to us and they dint ban the thing completely.

You will only be subject to those regulations if you are from a country with those regulations, in this case the US and China, if you are from any other country then you will be able to invest as usual, besides I think many icos instead of complying are just going to deny people from those countries to buy into their ico, only a world wide regulation on icos could change the existing behavior.

[A L I E N]

People will always find a way to invest in these things. There are already projects in which not only investors, but also developers are anonymous.

Very good way to invest - decentralized ICO places. This is new trand. But soon it will be everywhere!

[CryptoLex]

I reckon with such a high demand on ICO's and room for alot of new ideas  it wont change anywhere soon, but that being said their will need to be some sort of regulation on them

[JesusCryptos]

I don't really think we are anywhere close to an end of ICOs. In fact, there are new ICOs every day and demand is always high. I don't think there is a way to stop this. And I even don't think that they should. Most of ICOs are actually very interesting projects.

[Flodemaga]

Even with China Usa banning ICO, they cant stop people to invest into them, bitcoin does allows them to keep investing no matter if their country does allow or not. Ico will still being promoted and be made untill the day the market is full and all potencial projects get live, there is no way to stop them, as some of them does bring interest and value to crypto.

[bitcointarget]

Even with China Usa banning ICO, they cant stop people to invest into them, bitcoin does allows them to keep investing no matter if their country does allow or not. Ico will still being promoted and be made untill the day the market is full and all potencial projects get live, there is no way to stop them, as some of them does bring interest and value to crypto.

In theory, they can't totally ban ico concept. We use digital and virtual coins where we can do our wishes. They can't control our virtual coins from their central governments. So I'll keep participating in different icos.

[Hyperme.sh]

Even with China Usa banning ICO, they cant stop people to invest into them, bitcoin does allows them to keep investing no matter if their country does allow or not. Ico will still being promoted and be made untill the day the market is full and all potencial projects get live, there is no way to stop them, as some of them does bring interest and value to crypto.

In theory, they can't totally ban ico concept. We use digital and virtual coins where we can do our wishes. They can't control our virtual coins from their central governments. So I'll keep participating in different icos.

Incorrect.

[acpr23]

ICO's wont end, it will only be regulated, and that is not a bad thing for cryptocurrencies, regulation will help prevent scam ico's take the investors money, since ico is necessary for a projects success regulation will also be a factor for its good development especially in legal terms.

[Hyperme.sh]

ICO's wont end, it will only be regulated, and that is not a bad thing for cryptocurrencies, regulation will help prevent scam ico's take the investors money, since ico is necessary for a projects success regulation will also be a factor for its good development especially in legal terms.

There is a huge downside coming though:

The downside of regulation of token sales as securities, is they can’t actually become freely tradeable everywhere tokens legally, unless they are locked untradeable on the blockchain for 3 years.

No more get-rich-quick gains and scammy pumpy dumpy.

[imabauss]

Even with China Usa banning ICO, they cant stop people to invest into them, bitcoin does allows them to keep investing no matter if their country does allow or not. Ico will still being promoted and be made untill the day the market is full and all potencial projects get live, there is no way to stop them, as some of them does bring interest and value to crypto.

In theory, they can't totally ban ico concept. We use digital and virtual coins where we can do our wishes. They can't control our virtual coins from their central governments. So I'll keep participating in different icos.

ya but if ICO is illegal in they country. They maybe get jailed if they invest on ICO. it's still bad for some trader

[nasipadang]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

We still have japan and some other countries, and now japan became the biggest bitcoin market market after chinese traders started to move to japan exchanges

[bongiu]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

[Nerman]

I think regulating initial coin offering  has its benefits and also if initial coin offering were regulated most likely there will be a fewer scammers.  We all know that some of the coins are just a scheme but we can always avoid it if there is some kind of board or group of people who can check if it is a legit coin.

[digaran]

These hard working developers are unstoppable, Chinese need to think of some other way to make it effective, who cares if American, Chinese and all the world bans ICOs if they are not asking you where you live before taking your coins and give you some other coin? there are some ICOs even talking about accepting any body from any country no matter what, I would never ask you for identification if you want to volunteer to participate in my activity ICO. half dead lol. I have big plans for the banned people because I know the feeling. full stop lol, if some body like me is able to depose the most powerful countries in the world by ignoring their rules and regulatory borderlines then a spammer from east Asia could run several projects simultaneously and act as if nothing is wrong.

[TomUyamot]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Regulation is good. An all-out ban is not apparently. Well, if they have something in mind that would replace ICO as an instrument to gather resources and sell tokens as an introduction to the market, then perhaps we will have to take a look first. For now, ICO is still widely used and new projects are taking note of it with future ICO plans. Just kicking out scams is enough.

[Renai0925]

This will be good so that we can weed out the scam ICOs from the legit ones. Given that there would be less of them, at least we are going to get quality ICOs. Hopefully anyway.

[trecore4]

If we are to be truthful to ourselves ico project need to be regulated in others to build confidence in the mind of the investors. We are having many scamming project pumping up daily and the issue is that nor of them could do what they have promised in they projects, when the project get listed before you know they are dump.

It's not about us actually. It doesn't matter how truthful you stay in the ICO but it's all about those idiots who have made the spam ICO in first place. What we do? We just invest our money in the hope that when the ICO hits the exchanger we will receive the reward for our investments. They get huge money from the ICO and they have to circulate just some portion of the ICO fund raiser still they will scam us. That's really unfair.


If they are doing it then obviously it is money that's get carried away and the government will react on that due to all the complaints about these companies. To be honest government also can not do anything in that as these projects are unregulated with license and stuff. That's why I believe the country's taking decision to ban them.

[Hyperme.sh]

Well, if they have something in mind that would replace ICO as an instrument to gather resources and sell tokens as an introduction to the market, then perhaps we will have to take a look first.

I have explained the alternatives to ICOs for fundraising. Even explained further the novel fundraising plan for my altcoin project.

[Budening]

Information is very important, I think ICO will not be finished until here. Market Value in japan is good, hopefully other countries can follow it. Maybe yesterday china is making a regulation about ICO so bitcoin price goes down, but now it has gone up again and back to normal.

[SpearTackle]

I think regulating ICO’s is a good way to avoid scam. And it will not be the end of ICO’s as long as there are investors, ICO’s don’t need Chinese investors anyway.

[Sikka157]

Just read a news on yahoo that South Korea has also banned ICOs. Hope this is temporary move and they will put strict regulations so that scams are not able to raise money through ICO. Only then investors will be protected.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/first-china-now-south-korea-054738392.html

[VFabio]

It was just the beginning!

Rulers (or governments) are trying to keep disruptive technologies under control and basically just try to utilise it for their own interests by exploiting the weaker as much as they can until the basis for realising their plans is set.

So when the infrastructure for high finance of cryptos is set, I believe they'll open up the ecosystem for the mainstream.

[Warren Buffert]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

[Zerosk]

This is just the beginning!

[Cryptonodes]

We are just at the beginning of ICOs and tokenization.

Millions of assets could be tokenized in the future.

Tokenization is an optimal allocation of resources, instantly tradable.

[Babyrica0226]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

I think it's not the end of the ICO in the present day. It maybe China ban the ICOs in their country, It doesn't means that all of the countries will do what China does. Because there are other countries still open to the ICO's. There are still ICO's sensible, though most are not legit.

[Skylake]

not yet, i see some ico still running and getting investor from other country, not only from china, korea.
we have great uero market too

[suncokreten]

It's not the end of ICO's, it's just an end of ICO's that will make you quick x10.

The competition is getting better and better, and it's going to be hard to attract investors to your particular ICO.

[yogesh01]

No surprise this is happening the ICO's were getting out of hand becoming harder and harder to pick the legit projects.
The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

[aroweyen]

I don't think it's the end of ICO's I think its only the beginning. There's so much more in Digital World and I believe its the demand that will determine the success/failure not China or US.

[clickerz]

It was just the beginning!

Rulers (or governments) are trying to keep disruptive technologies under control and basically just try to utilise it for their own interests by exploiting the weaker as much as they can until the basis for realising their plans is set.

So when the infrastructure for high finance of cryptos is set, I believe they'll open up the ecosystem for the mainstream.

I think its okay if they stop those ICO's but its good that it will be regulated, screened and studied before it will be open to public. Or, it is better to fund some startup in kick starter projects as we will see the development and how the projects goes on. There are already many kickstarter startup that succeed, where its good to invest.

[indrakusumaindra]

I don't think it's the end of ICO's I think its only the beginning. There's so much more in Digital World and I believe its the demand that will determine the success/failure not China or US.

yes it is not. its not the end of ico even south korea ban and china ban of ico doest mean an end of an ico. as you can see on the market. all of the coin value is raise up and become stable once again. its because japan is support investing on ico. you can read the article here

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/29/bitcoin-exchanges-officially-recognized-by-japan.html

so there is still hope for ico and there is always a way out.

[AUruHM]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

[BenchCoinToken]

It was just the beginning!

Rulers (or governments) are trying to keep disruptive technologies under control and basically just try to utilise it for their own interests by exploiting the weaker as much as they can until the basis for realising their plans is set.

So when the infrastructure for high finance of cryptos is set, I believe they'll open up the ecosystem for the mainstream.

I think its okay if they stop those ICO's but its good that it will be regulated, screened and studied before it will be open to public. Or, it is better to fund some startup in kick starter projects as we will see the development and how the projects goes on. There are already many kickstarter startup that succeed, where its good to invest.

It can be good, but regulation is a double edged sword.  We first decided to do an ICO because it was cost effective and the idea was new projects could get crowdfunded easily as people would invest in the "idea".  Of course many would not work out but the point of the crowdfunding would be many investors contributing very small amounts, "taking a shot".  Regulation is just another word for taxes and costs.  I can show you hundreds of companies that run "reverse merger" scams on listed stock exchanges.  The SEC is fully aware, but as long as you pay the fees and taxes you can keep changing your symbol and keep taking money.  There is no investor protection whatsoever.  it is a tax game.  Now the ICO market is no different than equities.  Where is the benefit?

[dieselmeister]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

this can help we avoid scam ICO and trash ICO. why many people think this news is bad. :/

[BenchCoinToken]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

this can help we avoid scam ICO and trash ICO. why many people think this news is bad. :/

Except REGULATION does not stop scams - they just make them legal.  Regulators are not going to judge if it is a bad or good ICO, they will just require fees and taxes.  The government does not require your business will work, only that you pay the incorporation fee, the listing fee and the taxes.

[thechex]

Regulation is good and needed to protect investors from scams, that's what is driving it, but the ICO marketing is in its early stages, and blockchain projects will permeate through every nuance of every industry, especially after all of the ICOs that raised money on a concept have their developed and fully adopted platforms. With time regulators might evolve securities laws to for special coin circumstances based on if it's good for society, in progressive countries.

[The_Dark_Knight]

People will always find a way to invest in these things. There are already projects in which not only investors, but also developers are anonymous.

I think this is the next step, governments never see the consequences of their actions they only see a market without regulation and then they think they are needed when that is not the case, now that they are trying to regulate the market, there are going to be icos and investors that are going to deliberately avoid those regulations and by doing so they are going to expose themselves to even greater risks than they would have done otherwise.

[senin]

In my opinion, the ban on holding an ICO in China, and then in South Korea, did not affect the number of campaigns currently conducted. In addition, I believe that this prohibition is temporary and will be resumed as soon as measures are taken to reduce the risk in their conduct.

[BenchCoinToken]

SEC regulation worked well here - http://fortune.com/2017/10/01/sec-ico-fraud-charges/

However, what will the result be? People get there money back, i.e. "Protection"... probably more like a fine.

This guy saw it coming...     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2054127.0

[Weawant]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

this can help we avoid scam ICO and trash ICO. why many people think this news is bad. :/

Except REGULATION does not stop scams - they just make them legal.  Regulators are not going to judge if it is a bad or good ICO, they will just require fees and taxes.  The government does not require your business will work, only that you pay the incorporation fee, the listing fee and the taxes.

No i don't think they will allow scam project to came up unto them since they will surely do some proper validation of the team,project and the intention of the ICO to run up and if there's certain ICO will be regulated and scam people then they will be sorry since they will be easily identified and get sued if they will do there evil plans regarding on running a scam ICO.

[julslet84]

i don't think ICO's gonna end someday.
Maybe after 2-3 years, they could become more under control than today.

[wpalczynski]

ICO's are definitely not over for some time. They might get regulated in certain countries after a while though.

[bitfon]

I think regulation is better than complete exclusion. China can allow ICO, in time. We'll wait, we'll see.

[Cnut237]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

And now South Korea too. Yes, they will survive with regulation, which will be a good thing to weed out the scams.

[mrdenis]

I don't believe ICOs will end anytime soon. But they will be regulated and I don't think regulation is bad. The only problem I see with regulation is that terms aren't internationally agreed, which means that not all companies (will) have the same conditions and that is bad because in my opinion "cryptoworld" should be accesible to all people under same terms...

[mysacrifice]

We have seen clearly that neither China nor South Korea did not effect markets much. Even if there were some effects, we came back to the effected area.

[sloworm]

it is not the end of ICO, it is the beginning of AirDrops which gained ICO's popularity for its own free advertisements for their unknown businesses.

[Mr.cryptos]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

And now South Korea too. Yes, they will survive with regulation, which will be a good thing to weed out the scams.

I like the use of your expression ''to weed out the scams''.

[waisss]

Hi, guys, there will be no future without ICO. I know a lot of amazing projects which raised money during ICO. Governments of all the countries need to assist to ICO, but not ban it. A good example - Confideal ICO. It is supported by the Blockchain Association of Ireland, and this product allows you to carry out quick, cheap and safe transactions without the participation of third parties. The platform is based on Ethereum Smart Contracts that are optimized for use by non-programmers.  Check it - these guys made smth very special!

[gyu22]

Things are getting more and more complicated for ICOs due to government interference. Now South Korea announces a ban on ICOs but the industry is working to avoid it.

"Last week, South Korean regulators said they would ban all initial coin offerings. They are imposing a “prohibition on all forms of ICOs.” However, they have not implemented this ban yet. Now, startups in the area are pushing back against the impending ban.
Leaders in the regional blockchain industry have said an ICO ban has no legal grounding. A Forbes article clarified, “Local crypto industry leaders argue that the ban is legally groundless. They fear overregulation will push local talent and currency to more welcoming jurisdictions like Switzerland, Singapore and Japan.”

More: https://news.bitcoin.com/south-korean-businesses-to-battle-government-over-ico-bans/

[David_5M]

With clear regulations from the government, it will allow ICOs to be conducted in a manner which both issuers and investors can be protected. So this is just the beginning of ICOs.

[The_Dark_Knight]

I think not. Regulation should be done. A more strict rule on creating an ICO. I agree that old coins will benefit from this. 

I disagree with your point of regulation should be done, I know there are a lot of scams going on but people fall on those scams because they want to become rich quick, we will not need government regulation if people took the time to look at the projects and read the bad review leave there by the members that actually go and make a research in the project, but no, people keep throwing their money at useless projects and losing money and now are crying for governments to save them. Go figure.

[The_Dark_Knight]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

this can help we avoid scam ICO and trash ICO. why many people think this news is bad. :/

Because for many people if they made money with a coin then that coin is great but if they lose money with the coin then that coins is bad, so for those people if they lose with a coin even if it was because of their own  mistakes then that is a coin that will always be bad for them but if they earn money with a coin that is obviously a terrible coins they do not care, they like the profits, it does not make sense but many people think like that.

[shursight]

Yes i agree with some users in here, but nothing has happened to bitcoins, i think that all notices that we had in the past were failed fuds, because the only country that made some regulations for ico's were china and south korea, but it is not confirmed at all.
And a lot of people were saying that bitcoin/icos were going to be banend in francia, india, russia, and the whole asia.
What a nice try people.

[viber1234]

if a project is solid and the owners really want to implement it with the money gathered from an ICO, i am not seeing any reason why this will stop.

[youdacapt]

Yes i agree with some users in here, but nothing has happened to bitcoins, i think that all notices that we had in the past were failed fuds, because the only country that made some regulations for ico's were china and south korea, but it is not confirmed at all.
And a lot of people were saying that bitcoin/icos were going to be banend in francia, india, russia, and the whole asia.
What a nice try people.

I am very familiar with ico made in china, russia, ukraine, and america, if these four countries finally banned all investments in ICO then it will be bad for the future of altcoin new circulation, i think china and russia people have to think again with potential profit they will can from ICO, they can apply strong KYC rules to every investor, if they form a special escrow it will be very effective.

[John Langut]

Regulation will not stop bitcoin. It's new to conservative governments and they just want some control. Some regulation is not so bad, with so many cowboys trying to get rich in a short period of time. There are too many scams and that has to stop.

[omonuyak]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Ico projects has not come to an end and what the government: both the United States of America and Chinese government are trying to do is to regulate them in away that ico will not affect their monetary policy. Scamming activities has also find it way into ico projects and if government did not put them under check their will create havoc.

[anasso]

there is more and more ico's every day!

and now more and more sketchy coins with airdrops for every one!

brace winter is coming

[teamcryptonator]

As long as they don't get suspended on Russia haha  . On a more serious note tho, it may actually have the opposite effect (Streisand Effect) and result in ICOs being more profitable

Maybe for the ones that do go through with it, but I think as more regulations pop up there will be less and less ico's being launched.

But this ICOs will be well-thinking, legitimate and clear for all. And wild west of ICOs ended. With all + and - .

this can help we avoid scam ICO and trash ICO. why many people think this news is bad. :/

Because for many people if they made money with a coin then that coin is great but if they lose money with the coin then that coins is bad, so for those people if they lose with a coin even if it was because of their own  mistakes then that is a coin that will always be bad for them but if they earn money with a coin that is obviously a terrible coins they do not care, they like the profits, it does not make sense but many people think like that.

This thing is normal, because a token can not gives us a good profit like our hope when we invested into this token will be bad token in our thought. If you are also an investor have this trouble, what is your think in that time? Do you also have a thought like my said?

[Nothingbuttmoney]

hell no, the end
i just started bithezzzz

[romeo111]

I think a Countries can take regulations, But they will never control or regulate at any ICO structure.
But bitcointalk can regulate it and protect out scam ico's.

[surfinonmyownwavebaby]

Dont think ICOs will end completely but this ICO bubble that we are in certainly cannot go on forever. Perhaps will more money always incoming into the industry ICO caps can be higher but one thing is certain there needs

to be more regulation in this aspect of cryptocurrencies.

[error08]

No, it's not the end of ICOs, but a better step to get legit projects due to government regulations.
More countries ban ICOs such as in China and South Korea, on the other hand Russia have warned their citizens to be aware of the high risk (https://www.coindesk.com/russias-central-bank-issues-warning-cryptocurrencies-icos/),  but most coutries doesn't have regulation about it and first world countries planned to regulate it (https://cointelegraph.com/news/in-wake-of-china-ico-ban-japan-singapore-us-give-crypto-second-look)
- Japan’s Financial Services Agency (FSA) is looking at how to handle ICO’s to reduce money laundering and fraud. This includes establishing specific accounting rules on how to treat cryptocurrency transactions.
- The Monetary Authority of Singapore, said in a memo in August that it intends to regulate the sale of cryptocurrencies if it relates to products under their securities regulation. Their main concern is the potential for money laundering and terrorist financing through the ICO process.
- US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) website urge buyers of digital tokens to be vigilant and provide them with ways of identifying investment schemes that could be used for nefarious purposes.

[Coldsnap4457]

Most ICOs should come to an end because most are scams.

Many are rehashed or copies of other ICOs.

There is no way to tell if they can develop anything.

[hallo1488]

Hi, guys, there will be no future without ICO. I know a lot of amazing projects which raised money during ICO. Governments of all the countries need to assist to ICO, but not ban it. A good example - Confideal ICO. It is supported by the Blockchain Association of Ireland, and this product allows you to carry out quick, cheap and safe transactions without the participation of third parties. The platform is based on Ethereum Smart Contracts that are optimized for use by non-programmers.  Check it - these guys made smth very special!

What makes this Confideal different from other blockchain projects?

[Densite]

ICO will become a de facto method of raising funds in the future. The main thing is that there were more ICO with a real product and a strong team, such as Confideal, Global tex or Atlant

[Anna69]

Hi, guys, there will be no future without ICO. I know a lot of amazing projects which raised money during ICO. Governments of all the countries need to assist to ICO, but not ban it. A good example - Confideal ICO. It is supported by the Blockchain Association of Ireland, and this product allows you to carry out quick, cheap and safe transactions without the participation of third parties. The platform is based on Ethereum Smart Contracts that are optimized for use by non-programmers.  Check it - these guys made smth very special!

What makes this Confideal different from other blockchain projects?

It is possible to use the Ethereum blockchain to create smart-contracts manually, however this requires coding skills. Confideal is a unique platform, which offers a full stack of tools necessary to create, maintain and fulfill contracts using any ERC-20 tokens. Try to search more on telegram or their website at least

[alpsea]

ICO is too much for now, maybe it could be good. It will be very effective.

[AndrazLesi]

why?

[bitcoindusts]

ICO is too much for now, maybe it could be good. It will be very effective.

ICO just keep on popping left and right, I think this must be regulated so that only capable developer  and those who comply with the rule will have the right to setup an ICO.  The government must act to protect their citizen from this fraud/fake ICO and make sure that only legit will ever perform this kind of crowfunding.  The age of anon dev is already over.

[Golegard]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

The ICO has not yet completed or ended. I would agree for banning ICO in the whole world when I buy house and lot for myself. It's not profitable when the ICO becomes regulated and controlled by the Government. They won't allow us to make our own money without paying our taxes. They empowered their entire country to control the crypto supplies.

[hyperdak]

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[jumpsuitjoe]

It's not the end of ICO's it's the legitimizing of them. All of these countries are realizing what a vehicle they are for raising funds, and they want to ensure that it is regulated. It will actually probably drive more interest in them from the general public.

[crypt0heaven]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

ICOs will not end, but what will happen is that they will become regulated. ICOs in the big scheme of things are here to stay, but only accredited investors will have access to it.

[jlp]

Read:

3 Kinds of ICOs - Protect Yourself
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2243157

[larap]

Regulations don't mean the end of ICO. In the best case, they mean the end of scams. Anyway, they cannot fully forbid investing in what people believe to be profitable.

[jessey24]

Guys, can someone, please, tell me something of confideal and papyrus?
These both are so much hyped, I can`t differ true stats from believers` dreams. Thanks.

[Jalum]

Most ICOs should come to an end because most are scams.

Many are rehashed or copies of other ICOs.

There is no way to tell if they can develop anything.

It's very rare for an ICO to stop then start up again. I would invest in an ICO when there is a feeling that the project can go on even if the ICO goes offline.

[Argoo]

As the behavior of bitcoin is already sweeping throughout September-October months, information on the prohibitions of crypto-currency in China has virtually ceased to influence him, and despite the fact that this issue remained unresolved there, he abruptly began to rise in the course and reached while its historic maximum at around $ 5,400. Also, this and other negative information and the prohibition of ICO in China and South Korea can not affect to some extent the level and number of ICO's conducted recently. New coins and tokens are produced without any problems. Therefore, the end of the ICO has so far been canceled.

[chickenfried12]

Everyone is trying to do something, of course this good project is a poor project, people's investment in election is influencing it Some projects are really bad and can be described as slippery

[drwhobox]

It can't be the end of ICO's well, maybe for some yea. some Goverments would just regulate the spread of the ICO to the community. this may be a good thing when it come to cryptocurrencies because of regulation we would know what is legit and what is scam.

[HappyPirate]

Don't think so. It has real correlation with development of Internet and globalization. We should always consider this, cause that things aint gonna stop.

[OriginalBankster]

i try to make as much money as goes before Regulators kick in.
then it is the old sheme back again, only the rich get richer.

[abcd7]

no chance to end . .  Promising projects and strong icos they will find a way to survive and go to the next level  

[Bulletdodger]

no chance to end . .  Promising projects and strong icos they will find a way to survive and go to the next level  

Yeah, hope so... but I see a few of them totally buried, yet they have excellent teams and a great project,
it's just maybe they don't have the funds to spam the shit out of forums and telegrams, and scam icos always find the way...

Sigh.

[Nothingbuttmoney]

Don't think so. We still have promising ICO that just launching, with different technologies and approaches to customer service

[anitaraymonds]

No, it will not be the end.I think we will now have a legitimate  ICO's  as only real and purpose driven project and startsup will now come out raise fund. It will be good for the investing public and the owner of  such projects. 

[pthalamy]

Read:

3 Kinds of ICOs - Protect Yourself
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2243157

Great read, thanks. Especially the 3 recommended filters for ICOs that would make it safer for anyone to invest.

[maokomioko]

This is not the end, this is the beginning. It is clear that the government should somehow begin to regulate these ICO, but the question is How? By what criteria to determine the quality? even if experts sometimes make mistakes...
anyway, I consider like a positive trend attention to this method of collecting investments from the governments

[nkarm1]

No it won't be the end but it can maybe become a start of new form of Initial Coin Offerings. Regulations will gonna make it hard for every existing and upcoming ICO to launch their project because of these regulations. So the selectivity won't become hard for us (investors) because for sure only those who will work hard for their legitimacy are the only one that will stand out for sure.

[Franko30]

it is not the end, I am sure. Regulation is good enough if ppl know what to do and they are professionals in the area of regulation. But it's not always so.
I hope projects like confideal will exist after regulation

[FrayDigger]

what do u think about the project ARToken by CAppasity? it has the utilite coin "Artoken". how to use this tokens?

[tokencorgi]

This is not the end, we just need to filter out scammers.
Heres my list of legit ico
1. Quantstamp- security
2. MindsportsIO - chess, poker
3. Dmarket - gamers

[Haitham]

I really find Airdrop 1 million times better than ICOs. so yeah let them end that madness

[VeeraS]

perhaps in the future there will be ico checks to prevent fraud. may be good for investors to more freely invest money in crypto.

[Argoo]

The ICO is moving to a new stage from anarchy to regulation. In this I do not see anything wrong, nor do I see the fact that the ICO will close and die. From the introduction of a moderate regulation, the issue of the original coins will pass more qualitatively and with less risk for investors. Good projects will continue to be implemented in life and popularity from such regulation of cutting investors and joining the campaigns in social networks and signature campaigns will only increase.

[hallo1488]

Guys, can someone, please, tell me something of confideal and papyrus?
These both are so much hyped, I can`t differ true stats from believers` dreams. Thanks.

Confideal is a user-friendly and accessible platform for creating Ethereum smart contracts without coding or need to engage any intermediaries. You can find more here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2214619

[SupremeGoose]

No, not the end, ICOs will be banned, and then regulated, and than un-banned. too much scam, 99% perhaps. Invest in community coins without ICOs guys, Vertcoin, Xtrabytes - is safe bet for a long term investments IMHO.  Especially research Xtrabytes in details - they can be very huge, you'll fell in love with XBY after enough reading about them

[astrid.uchiha24]

I believe the purpose of regulating ICOs is for the protection of its investors. Government are trying their best in order to protect the public interest to such schemes so i do not see any reason why ICOs will end after being regulated by the government which they just want to make ICOs fairly competitive and clean on any malicious mischief.

[esatceza]

There are now a lot of ICOs coming out, and every new project is uncertain and without a solid foundation. Therefore, the ban on ICO is inevitable, which facilitates the development of old ICOs and has a strong foundation in the broad market.

[bhoybitcoin]

It's not the end of ICOs I might say. There are still strong icos that keeps on coming in so this will not be the end. It might be the beginning of all the icos out there.

[andromed22]

We are constantly seeing news that ICOs are coming to the end, and this is probably making many people smile. ICOs will last a very long time.

It is interesting that news about the continuation of a country banning a coin is interesting, but I think it is not news quality. This is their decision and I am sure they will regret it.

[Piston Honda]

ico shit needs to end

[blacktux88]

Yes you have to pray to crypto god 

Is there a secret of success for a cryptocurrency?

[ruru]

actually increased the number of quality projects.
Many investors came to this market, so I am happy

[Iamlegit4sure]

strict regulation: more quality ICOs
also, we can't really base our prediction on china's behavior, because 90% of the world is not a communist dictatorship.

[splinky]

There will never be an end to ICOs, even if they do get regulated people will come up with ways to skirt the rules, which is especially easy with something like crypto. We're already seeing it with things like airdrops and bounty campaigns, a way to distribute the coins that is outside of the standard ICO structure.

[Xclusive5]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Its really a good thing to regulate ICOs because alot of scammers are around here and its seriously hindering credible ICOs around. In a nutshell regulation is okay.

[chilly9876]

ICO's will be heavily regulated soon... why???

Quite simple, most ICOs in the current market will lose their people money as they won't trade above ICO price. You're already seeing that many ICO's are well below ICO price these days. Also they list a road map yet have no need to follow it and no need to tell you what they will do with the 30 million or so that they raised.

[VeeraS]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

it seems it is a rumor. until now so many ico are popping up with all kinds that they offer to us. the positive side is always there. and vice versa. maybe there should be a legal body that cope when some ico becomes a scam.

[logosobscura]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

The only change has taken direct action specifically against ICOs. All the others- US, UK, Canada, Australia, South Korea, and I'm sure Japan will- have restated the same guidance: if your ICO looks like a security, functions like a security, and has worse risk than security, then it is a regulated instrument and you have to go through all of the legal requirements that an IPO does. That's not the end of ICOs- it's the end of the ICO Pyramid Schemes in the same way that regulation ended the Penny Stock Pyramids that existed in the 19th Century.

We should all welcome that- it means ICOs have to well designed, deliver exactly what they promise to their investors, and are held to higher standards. There is a really simple way of avoiding it: ICO tokens with an actual legitimate utility, not speculative instruments.

[rickadone]

This is not the end, this is the beginning. It is clear that the government should somehow begin to regulate these ICO, but the question is How? By what criteria to determine the quality? even if experts sometimes make mistakes...
anyway, I consider like a positive trend attention to this method of collecting investments from the governments

The main secret to the success of any cryptocurrency is the team behind it, their marketing skills and how relevant the project is. The thing is that no one is ready to support a scammy project and lose their funds these days and no one is ready to support a project that apparently won't be much relevant for anything in the future. With good marketing of a good project which springs support, there is always success at the end.

Hence we can see more ICOs will come into play. People will learn new techniques and will follow them to make their ICOs successful. Probably we can never find any end for ICOs.

[bhobafett]

Icos will not be erase that easily in crypto world. As long as new icos keep on coming in, that's the sign that ico will stay for a few years maybe.

[el kaka22]

it is not the end, I am sure. Regulation is good enough if ppl know what to do and they are professionals in the area of regulation. But it's not always so.
I hope projects like confideal will exist after regulation

Yes, regulation will really give birth to a more sane ICO environment unlike what we have always had. However, we need to understand that China is not the only country where ICOs evolve, as we have some other projects too from various countries and it is left for each of the government in these places to do the needful.

Nevertheless, I feel investors themselves are too lazy to do research on any project they are investing in which has really cause this huge regulation thing.

[Dr0idGuru]

I'm not so pessimistic.
I think ICOs will change and ICO investors / contributors will be more demanding.
And there will space for two types of ICOs:

• Breakthrough (much related with infrastructure): like Bancor, Tezos, Aragon, Raiden, OmiseGo that can be the next "Cisco"
• Impact (much related with utility): kin (https://kin.kik.com) and appcoins (https://appcoins.io) that are using the blockchain to leverage existent user bases of many million users

The interesting question if there is space for something like filecoin (https://filecoin.io). I think so but I think that represents more risk to the investors that Kin or AppCoins as they don't have user base and a proven model and a track record.

[jagster]

Let's not forget there are crypto-friendly jurisdictions out there that will be models of what's to come. ICO's must evolve with the landscape and so should regulation. Initial regulation is reactionary since politicians are playing catch up, so it takes good ICO players to pave the road forward. Look at the US and how they've handled cannabis legalization. It's taken a few states breaking ground to show the rest how it's done.

ICO's aren't impacting the world of politics very much yet. It's only catching their attention because of the vasts amount of capital invested in the ICO ecosystem, just like early Bitcoin only caught their attention because of it's ties to the black market. Once projects start putting more real things on the ground, we'll start to see some real change in regulation. Right now it's largely just websites, games, and computer stuff to politicians.

[BenchCoinToken]

Nevertheless, I feel investors themselves are too lazy to do research on any project they are investing in which has really cause this huge regulation thing.

I think this is one of the most true statements about the entire ICO process.  1 minute videos and selfies are considered "due diligence" while business plans are considered "too long to read".  Culture of Social Media 

[Franko30]

it is not the end, I am sure. Regulation is good enough if ppl know what to do and they are professionals in the area of regulation. But it's not always so.
I hope projects like confideal will exist after regulation

Yes, regulation will really give birth to a more sane ICO environment unlike what we have always had. However, we need to understand that China is not the only country where ICOs evolve, as we have some other projects too from various countries and it is left for each of the government in these places to do the needful.

Nevertheless, I feel investors themselves are too lazy to do research on any project they are investing in which has really cause this huge regulation thing.

Maybe u have a right abt laziness. But i believe that smart projects and good investor will find each other  after regulation even easier that now

[Zicadis]

If we want to see more ICOs... regulation is the way to go because it will be one of the few ways to sieve out any scam projects that just want to take advantage of the available financial resources, besides ICOs  are just getting started, not ending as people are now taking this technology seriously.

[HappyPirate]

hell no!
friends, just pay attention that our ICO has been estimated to 5.0. It puts us to TOP-8 projects listed there. Don't you think is fantastic extimate?
https://icobench.com/icos?s=confideal

[Sahabat_]

now ICO is something of an innovation to be conveyed by someone or a group of people who want to participate in the life of the world and if ICO stops will certainly affect everything that exists now, for example there is no addition of coin or difficulty of trading land that became the income of many people

[artmen007]

This is only the beginning and the authorities are trying to understand how to regulate ICO. Because of this, now there are problems with China, America and other countries.

But a couple of years it seems to me such a thing as an IPO simply would not exist. As soon as you do the normal adjustable rules for cryptocurrency in the world and ICO, all will go up

[Fox-111]

There are some great ICO's out there and coming on line. Provided you look into them a little and read up on their white paper you can nut out which are a scam.
I doubt they are going away any time soon as its a very easy way to get behind some of the great projects out there being developed!

[mrbr0wn007]

No end in sight IMO...

[Lindazz]

ICO market is currently there are many big problems, the need for new provisions to restrain the ICO market

[Jenna_G]

I hope it isn't the end, because I want to make money on a new phone. If seriously  i'm sure we need to regulate ICO, and after it only good projects will live, my lovely confideal for example

[BenchCoinToken]

Here is some proof ICO's are not slowing down.  $2B in 2 months with September being the biggest month to date!



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/initial-coin-offerings-rake-in-another-billion-in-under-2-months

[Michae1k]

And i think regulations will give second life to ICOs, so we just need to wait a little
now I plan to invest in one good project - Confideal, ofc in my opinion

[greatk]

There would be more crackdown on ICOs in 2018, but that will not slow down the raising of funds by both genuine and scamy projects

[PadenoM]

It is higly possible, what the next step will be?

[suncokreten]

ICO mania is over. This is actually a good thing for crypto because there will be no more money grab ICO's (raising $40m to write a 7 lines code or something). ICOs will have to set their cap up to $10m otherwise noone will want to invest.

[densuj]

We don't need to stop ICO's, we need to embrace them. We do need some regulations though. While I believe cryptocurrencies should always remain decentralized and unregulated the ICO industry should be monitored in some way.

[Akash1243]

Well some regulation would be good for ICOs as there are many ICOs which are scam or just fail coins both of them are just have bad impact on ICOs so some regulation nughtbe good.With regulation ICOs would have a second chance to prove themself and give some good or decent ICOs.ICOs are great for short term investment and ICOs are rising.The ICOs will not end as long as there are projects keep on coming.

[johnsm79]

There would be more crackdown on ICOs in 2018, but that will not slow down the raising of funds by both genuine and scamy projects

Maybe not a crackdown, but a shift to a regulated direction. It will lead people in hiding to stay there, and will force more fiat currency enter the market.

[stomachgrowls]

There would be more crackdown on ICOs in 2018, but that will not slow down the raising of funds by both genuine and scamy projects

Maybe not a crackdown, but a shift to a regulated direction. It will lead people in hiding to stay there, and will force more fiat currency enter the market.

Crackdown isnt really appropriate to use on this kind of thing. Regulation will surely happen since they are already making the steps first when it comes to ICO which it wont really be the end but yet the new start on having a regulated one. I do somehow agree on this kind of adjustment to lessen the risk of scams and fraud.

[chichigirl]

I don't think this series of events signals the end of ICOs. Regulation is inevitable. The strongest ICOs will still find a way to succeed, with or without government regulation.

I agree, it will not be the end of Initial Coin Offerings, the strong projects with substance will always find the way. I also would like to point out that SEC is targeting Token used as a security not currency.

Correct, Initial Coin Offerings strong project will find its way to succeed even if there are some regulations may formally announced. I am hoping for the better regulations that may help to identify the scam ICO or maybe at least lessen the scam ICO.

[DamianHere]

I guess no. Maybe there will be another form of it, something modern
like Confideal bth, they have smart contracts platform

[Sebas.tian]

Personally, I don't mind if ICO's were to be banned for good. We have 800+ coins in the market both good and shit coins. So that will actually be an advantage if implemented.

[hallo1488]

I’m sure it’s not the end. Just thinking about investing in confideal

[HappyPirate]

I’m sure it’s not the end. Just thinking about investing in confideal

after all of this hype, I think about this too, just to try

[crypto-curious]

Reasonable regulations are not always bad. They help filter out scams and increases trust within the community.

However, it does slow down innovations and makes people panic and rush to get their ICOs done without proper research and prep.

[IAMYOURLEADER]

Reasonable regulations are not always bad. They help filter out scams and increases trust within the community.

However, it does slow down innovations and makes people panic and rush to get their ICOs done without proper research and prep.

Right but we know that it will decrease ICO projects that is not favorable for bounty hunters like me. Regulation will encourage more investors but again fewer ICO will appear unlike before. I'm against scammy project so I hope regulations will not make it strict that will discouraged devs that are planning to announce their ICO projects in the future.

[feelideb]

ICO is not ending. If anyone sincerely believe that the end have coming I will say ICO end exist only in their imagination. ICO has become integra part of crypto currency acceptance and development. Crypto currency is borderless and it's going to be hard to place a restrictions!

[romeo111]

"U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now?"
I don't think they will regulated all ICO's. they can control some organization but not  all ICOs.
Most of the ICOs are born in this thread. the bitcointalk can regulate it and also help to protect us for scam project.

[Raldyn]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Sometimes I think why it can be so .. why some countries forbid the existence of ICO when the digital era can not be dammed again to become a necessity .. what maybe they are at a disadvantage with his ICO I asked him now until now why there is no ICO banned it is not a crime that should be forbidden

[gjtnwls1]

i don't think regulations will hurt ico's because ico's can easily adjust.

what really hurts ico's are the investors who are not willing to waste their money.

ico projects should give the investors more than useless erc20 tokens if they really want to survive or collect money.

[gjtnwls1]

Here is some proof ICO's are not slowing down.  $2B in 2 months with September being the biggest month to date!

https://i.imgur.com/kQwluc8.png

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/initial-coin-offerings-rake-in-another-billion-in-under-2-months

this is a nice illustration, but i think somebody also needs to research what happened to that 800 million usd invested in icos in september.

[Flor1982]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

Yes the end of ICO but only for those that are scams and not legit. Regulation is really needed to determine the good and the bad ICO for the protection of the people in which becomes victims of fraud like HYIP and Ponzis. I dont see anything wrong if the government will do such regulating policy because it is their responsibility to always protect the welfare of their people as guaranteed in the constitution.

[bitofc]

The ICO probably wont be ended, and it will continue to be the trend.  But it is no longer as profitable for ICO investors, so ICO investors need to perform their own due diligence more carefully, and only pick those they think it is good.

[hyperdak]

ICO is ICS (init coin sell) .

if someone call this ICO, because it like IPO.

but ICO is diff with IPO.

[sweetpeaches]

Legit ICO's like Confideal will live. Scam ICO's may die. Do anyone know what may be next in this situation?

[Denamen]

In my opinion, I don't think ICOns will be died although US and China banned it. Because that's a way to the devs can raise capital in an advanced and effective manner.

[puremage111]

I might sort of agree with it

As months ago ICO were selling like hotcakes where ICO would instantly hit hardcap within hours, minutes or even seconds.

Then too many ICO came out, if you ever take a look at Etherdelta. Most token were sold there before they were listed to exchange at under ICO price. Some even went -40~50% of its ICO price.

I wouldn't say ICO is not profitable, but ICO should be a long term investment instead of short term flipping.

[hiVe]

China completed ban Bitcoin. their big exchange had been closed. So worry about bitcoin future. hope everything will be ok

[dewanaga]

China completed ban Bitcoin. their big exchange had been closed. So worry about bitcoin future. hope everything will be ok

I think it will not end for ICO, because bitcoin still exists,
if bitcoin is over then ICO also ends, which becomes the future conversation of ICO is possible in the regulation

[elodieg]

I think the opposite, I think ICO's are just finally becoming realistic, lasting investments. Scams can't survive, and legitimate companies who can actually produce a product have more of a chance since the market will become "cleaner" in a sense. I think the page is turning, but the story isn't over.

[BenchCoinToken]

ICO mania is over. This is actually a good thing for crypto because there will be no more money grab ICO's (raising $40m to write a 7 lines code or something). ICOs will have to set their cap up to $10m otherwise noone will want to invest.

Not sure the "mania" is over, September was the biggest month yet and we still don't know OCT numbers - we do know Bitcoin hasn't slowed.

[trecore4]

I don’t think regulating an ICO under jurisdiction will result in the end of ICO programs. It will actually make it more strict protocol to follow and the investment could get more legal status which we don’t get at this movement. People will be driven more easily towards ICO projects and they will successful in very short time. Moreover, no fraudster or scammer will ever try to creat dummy projects to steal the money because he will be abiding to the laws while preparing it. If they try to run then they will be caught in no time. Seems to me all the positive ways of looking at ICO being regulated.

[slaman29]

Legit ICO's like Confideal will live. Scam ICO's may die. Do anyone know what may be next in this situation?

Wow. If Confideal is the benchmark for legitimate ICOs, I'm really afraid to see what's the definition for "scam" ICOs. Scam ICOs have come and go, but they are not going to stop. In fact, if you believe in some of the Legendary members here, some of the Top 35 altcoins are legitimate long cons. A scam is only a scam when it goes belly up, I guess. And if ever one of the big guys suddenly falls to $1 one day years down the line, they'll be plenty of people saying "I called that scam in 2015".

[IQeon]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

We need regulation because it is the serious market. After the initiation of the regulation, I assume that ICO's will become smaller, but they will be better quality. The main thing here is not to cross the line like China or Korea did.

[bstewart]

Legit ICO's like Confideal will live. Scam ICO's may die. Do anyone know what may be next in this situation?

Not familiar with Confideal, but I 100% agree with this statement. The shit ICO bubble is bursting.

I'm personally burnt out by ICOs and the most recent ones (over the past month or so) have tanked when they hit the exchanges.

ICOs are asking for WAY too much money and are valuing their tokens at much too high of a price, especially considering the supply of some.

Investors should stop throwing money into the 90% of shit out there.

I don't think ICOs will be dead but I do think that this bubble will remove the majority of trash out there.

[elodieg]

Legit ICO's like Confideal will live. Scam ICO's may die. Do anyone know what may be next in this situation?

Not familiar with Confideal, but I 100% agree with this statement. The shit ICO bubble is bursting.

I'm personally burnt out by ICOs and the most recent ones (over the past month or so) have tanked when they hit the exchanges.

ICOs are asking for WAY too much money and are valuing their tokens at much too high of a price, especially considering the supply of some.

Investors should stop throwing money into the 90% of shit out there.

I don't think ICOs will be dead but I do think that this bubble will remove the majority of trash out there.

I totally agree. And this will be a major benefit to the stable, well run ICO's that have been waiting to come out. We've been riding out the bubble so that we may emerge afterwards, which I think will ultimately be beneficial.

[dasdingo]

I dont think, that this is the end of ICOs.
Maybe the whole thing will be more regulated in the next years

[CrypticGambit]

I might sort of agree with it

As months ago ICO were selling like hotcakes where ICO would instantly hit hardcap within hours, minutes or even seconds.

Then too many ICO came out, if you ever take a look at Etherdelta. Most token were sold there before they were listed to exchange at under ICO price. Some even went -40~50% of its ICO price.

I wouldn't say ICO is not profitable, but ICO should be a long term investment instead of short term flipping.

Yes most of the icos are trying to get more money than they need plus they are still holding the majority of the tokens for the "development" which I find ridiculous, they should just sell 90% to the public and hold like 10%. This 10% should be frozen for like 5 years. If the project is successful they can sell them. Some of the projects are just taking the money from the ethereum and they are dumping their company tokens. This behaviour should not be accepted.

[elodieg]

I might sort of agree with it

As months ago ICO were selling like hotcakes where ICO would instantly hit hardcap within hours, minutes or even seconds.

Then too many ICO came out, if you ever take a look at Etherdelta. Most token were sold there before they were listed to exchange at under ICO price. Some even went -40~50% of its ICO price.

I wouldn't say ICO is not profitable, but ICO should be a long term investment instead of short term flipping.

Yes most of the icos are trying to get more money than they need plus they are still holding the majority of the tokens for the "development" which I find ridiculous, they should just sell 90% to the public and hold like 10%. This 10% should be frozen for like 5 years. If the project is successful they can sell them. Some of the projects are just taking the money from the ethereum and they are dumping their company tokens. This behaviour should not be accepted.

Absolutely!! People need to be far more careful about judging these companies harshly. There's very little regulation, we need to regulate outselves. The responsibility falls on the investors to only give money to honest companies, or else we create more bubbles.

[irfanrete]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

In my opinion There are many ICOs which have a bright future and are actually doing something and not spreading social awareness about some shitcoin. Therefore once the big countries (whom the OP talks about) realize that they are missing out on it and comparatively other so called poor countries are gaining on them - there will be a change. Soon they will realize their mistake and it will be all the same again. The panic in the market is created by some whales since they are desperate to join.

[jamesJhonHero]

nop.
ico will continue.
ico is the next btc.
although it's accepted by gov, ico is the new method of funding.
it will change the finance world in future.
in future  the company needn't go to nasdaq, just develop their own token or coin, may be the holder of token will get the stake share of the company in future.
you can get dividends from the profits.
it will be used by more and more company or persons.
i believe ico is better in future.

[rickyleatham]

ICO is a new way of funding, it is easier than normal funding nowaday, so more and more projects are using ICO, however, it is not safe for investor to put trust and money into a project that can not become true, there are many scams on ICO projects, most of them used investors trust to take money. so we have to be smarter than ICO projects, choose wisely in every project.

[Hafik]

Are ICO's as we know them coming to an end?  U.S., now China... Will all ICO's be regulated now? (would regulation be good?)

https://www.coindesk.com/chinese-ico-site-suspends-services-amid-reports-regulator-scrutiny/
https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-internet-finance-association-issues-ico-warning/
https://www.coindesk.com/report-chinas-regulators-close-taking-action-icos/

if there is a rule, maybe the emerging ICO will be more qualified, and possibly to fail very little. so very good if the applied rules for the future.

[cafucafucafu]

Going into the future there are going to be a lot more interest in regulated ICOs than unregulated ones, that is for sure. However, i personally believe that ICOs are going to be here to stay and not going away any time soon.

There is still a lot of hype whenever a good ICO project comes out.

Just because a country or two bans unregaluted ICOs, doesn't mean the whole industry is dead.

[BlockFolksHQ]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

There is a lot of existing coins that have huge potential. However, i do believe that new coins will continue to come in to challenge the existing market. Competition is always good and this will inspired the development team to constantly strife for better developments.

[nethan1btc]

Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

There is a lot of existing coins that have huge potential. However, i do believe that new coins will continue to come in to challenge the existing market. Competition is always good and this will inspired the development team to constantly strife for better developments.

The very nice way to invest is the decentralized ICO places. People will always find a way to invest in these things. There are already projects in which not only investors, but also developers are anonymous. If I have an enough profits someday I will invest in an ICO when there is a feeling that the project can go up even if the ICO goes offline.

[patz22]

No, It not end now or soon. As long as we support cryptocurrency this will definitely be a long term trend in this business. The only thing that we need to avoid is the scam ICO's that makes a negative impact specially with us (bounty hunters) and investors who trusted their money in a certain project. I don't have a lot of technical terms in this business since I'm still new in this business

[BlockchainGod]

Why ? Regulation does not mean a complete ban. I think it's good. ICO need regulation, because now there is chaos.

[hachiman13]

ICO regulation is good, in fact, it will make the market 'cleaner' as many shitcoins would be filtered out and as a result, many investors would be left with altcoins that will only bring profit to them and the country (in china's and Russia's case). Proof of it being a good thing is bitcoin going up even if the ICO's are completely banned in china.

[roller_coiner]

It is just morphing, when you think about it the whole idea of having a not-regulated crowdfunding is quite radical to not be regulated by some government. Although there a few ways to regulate it and still remain a decentralized way of raising money, plus it would become more trustworthy.

[Argoo]

I do not think that any processes indicate that the ICO projects are coming to an end. On the contrary, judging by their number, they are flourishing. Only in September this year they collected investments for more than half a billion dollars. However, their quality really leaves much to be desired. In addition, the risks of fraud have significantly increased.