[ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure

[YuryK.]

Market Cap now  $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION

people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not

My personal opionion and i insist to it , is that this ICO hasnt ended, fast conclusions is always a mistake... I believe this is a welldone set up in order the company to obtaint he most of the ICO's back!

With such conclusions you will lose your money again and again. If the project is soiled in the mud-it is a priori a bad project. In this market there is a wide choice and there is no need to stop on the spoiled projects

[naska21]

This conflict has reached in front of court and since it is registered company it has chances to come back in future. At this stage risk of loosing everything is very high but seeing tokens this cheap I also put some money to gamble on Envion. It is purely an act of gamble which can bring further loss to me but who knows what actually is going on ?

Could you elaborate this a bit more, what court? I have no idea what Envion's doing and was waiting patiently any positive news. But  my options are narrowing, and my patience is all but gone.

The official press release from founding members: medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-founders-sue-for-worlds-first-analogue-ico-hacking-4fa42a636104

Thanks, I have read that. Does anyone think investors can apply for refund if he'll get sued? I'm not a rich man from America, who comes and saves Envion. I want my money back.

[btcrich2020]

Market Cap now  $17.924.270 USD . there used to be over $100,000,000 , That's a lot of loss. Trust in Crypto will not improve in the future. People are afraid to invest Ico. This is also the fault of ENVION

people trust crypto more than ever, it's the bad companies with insanely ambitious and risky ideas that fail more often than not

My personal opionion and i insist to it , is that this ICO hasnt ended, fast conclusions is always a mistake... I believe this is a welldone set up in order the company to obtaint he most of the ICO's back!

This project i who invested a lot must be disappointed. I went to see the market value until I was scared : $ 0.14 well below the value of ICO

Very scary because the ICO price is 1$ but due to lack of announcements and updates from the team the price of coin went down very quickly. Yes, nearly they collected 100 million but failed to communicate with the community.

[haer]

While it's very worrying what's going on. With two sides feuding over a company that had a 100 millon dollar ICO.
I don't think the current value of the token is important at all.

The ICO was never about a valuable token in itself. It was about a security token that would receive dividends. And those dividends would never be affected by the token value. So no need to care about that.

[Roidz92]

This is not investment or business advice at all but selling with loss under panicked situation never was good and will never be. Just pay attention to that press release to see issue isn't that big to not be resolved. This is matter over tokens allocation of registered company. This can not remain unsolved but being panicked to take any decision isn't good at all. Everyone should take pros and cons in consideration.

Agree with you, what's the sense to sell the bottom on panic?
You guys should know that buy the top and sell the bottom is not a good strategy, instead you should buy when people spread fud and are in panic, and you should sell when people are in fomo and say "moon".

[wwzsocki]

This is not investment or business advice at all but selling with loss under panicked situation never was good and will never be. Just pay attention to that press release to see issue isn't that big to not be resolved. This is matter over tokens allocation of registered company. This can not remain unsolved but being panicked to take any decision isn't good at all. Everyone should take pros and cons in consideration.

Agree with you, what's the sense to sell the bottom on panic?
You guys should know that buy the top and sell the bottom is not a good strategy, instead you should buy when people spread fud and are in a panic, and you should sell when people are in fomo and say "moon".

This is of course very risky strategy because rumors can be valid and nobody knows if finally will not get scammed but this is how "buy on the bottom strategy" works. When everybody is in panic, spreading FUD, selling. Then you have to be calm, do your research and if there are only 99 red flags, invest   . Later sell at ATH when all mess will be cleared up. Like I said risky but very profitable if researched correctly.

I don't believe them at all. Both, founders and CEO seems to act like scammers and there were a lot of posts from members with scam accusation long before ICO in this thread but nobody seems to pay attention to this whistleblowers. A few months ago they asked all questions needed to research Envion investment and when they were left with no answer they raised scam accusations. They even created a special thread but like I said there were not many members willing to investigate this further or even to listen to them.

ENVION FRAUD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2404463.0  

[xenomorphe1]

While it's very worrying what's going on. With two sides feuding over a company that had a 100 millon dollar ICO.
I don't think the current value of the token is important at all.

The ICO was never about a valuable token in itself. It was about a security token that would receive dividends. And those dividends would never be affected by the token value. So no need to care about that.

Do you really believe you are going to receive dividends? I don't think until they close the case and have a new restart. Also they surely have already stopped their mining activities. They did lie about telling people that they were looking about how the mining rewards were going to be distributed after the ICO. They already knew that there was a problem, and maybe already before the ICO. But they are too greedy and didn't postpone their ICO before clearing this mess. Good luck to the holders and buyers.

[haer]

Well, i would say chances are low.
My point was just that this was a security not a commodity. So people complaining about the value of the token seem to forget what the ICO was about.

But of course, if you want to leave, it sucks that the value is low.

We will see. I have enough tokens to be very happy if dividends come in the end. But didn't invest all i owned, so will not cry myself to sleep if this crumbles completely.

[newcoin01]

Well, i would say chances are low.
My point was just that this was a security not a commodity. So people complaining about the value of the token seem to forget what the ICO was about.

But of course, if you want to leave, it sucks that the value is low.

We will see. I have enough tokens to be very happy if dividends come in the end. But didn't invest all i owned, so will not cry myself to sleep if this crumbles completely.

It's better not to put all the eggs in one basket. I also invested and would be verry happy if they could pay dividends.
Still I believe they will get over this problem.

[meikelcoin]

is there already a mining project that works really well and people get a lot of money ( ROI)?  i don't know anyone until today. all ico with this project are gone or don't bring any money.

[rackam]

Envion did not send bounty payments now I heard about another problem with this project, is it true that it is scam?

[AlloM]

Envion did not send bounty payments now I heard about another problem with this project, is it true that it is scam?

This is not a scam project although there are some ongoing issues but I hope this will get sorted out soon. That is dispute between dev team but they will find the solution how to give relief to all investors.

[chipzeru]

Envion did not send bounty payments now I heard about another problem with this project, is it true that it is scam?

I think we should move on as this kind of issue may take months or even years to resolve. I also didn't get my payment too. I had a feeling that there must be something wrong with envion. Why is it so hard for an ICO which collected $100million to pay the bounty participant? And this is it.

[thorRJ]

While it's very worrying what's going on. With two sides feuding over a company that had a 100 millon dollar ICO.
I don't think the current value of the token is important at all.

The ICO was never about a valuable token in itself. It was about a security token that would receive dividends. And those dividends would never be affected by the token value. So no need to care about that.

Of course, the value of the token is important because, as far as I understand, the value of the token can be similar to an action in the stock market, if it is in decline and due to the lack of interest of its shareholders or the project is not being what was promised.

[fairmining]

You have to read the actual News.

The EVN token should be worth NOTHING, because there will be no dividends at all.

Due to a fraud envion has to create a new TOKEN called EVN2. This token will be distributed to the original Investors. They will receive this token automatically.

For the old token the CEO of envion tried to get the exchanges to Close the trading, but I would expect that this token will be available and could be traded as before. But you never will get any mining reward. Due to the fact that there were far too many Tokens created after the ICO, the envion CEO decided to stop this fraud and to start a criminal Investigation.

He starts to create the new token EVN2. That one will receive the mining results. And only the Investors of the ICO will get automatically the new token.

Please consider the official CEO Statement on:

www.envion-recovery.org

There is everything explained:

And only this Website will be the official Website because the old Website is under control of the guys who "accidently" created 40 Million token more as they shoud and who "accidently" sold a part of those Tokens for millions.

Maybe it is no fraud, because they created and sold the token "accidently" ^^

[haer]

Well that's only one side of the story.
We do not know who is in the right, or if there's even a side that's honest at all.

I tend to believe the other side. But in the end that's just me guessing and of course. Since i'm a technician. I tend to believe other tech people.

[fairmining]

Yes, there are two sides.

The other side said, that they have created so many Tokens for the creditcard transfers and so on.

But they used not one address where they "parked" These Tokens, they used hundreds of addresses.

And they havent stored it till the creditcard transfers were valid (this will happen at July! because of the 6 months after the ICO), they have sold a part of it (millions!).

Theoretical everyone is able to see that, because every transaction is on the bockchain. Maybe they forgot that you even could trace this on the blockchain even when hundreds of addresses are involved.

Just check when Price Waterhouse Cooper (PWC) left envion alone. With that I mean the timepoint when they quit the contract as an Auditor of envion!!! They have done this not now! They have done this immediatly after the ICO. They have done it before the CEO took over the control. They have done this as a result of the Actions that happened with the smart contract (creation of 127.000.000.000 Tokens!). Who has control over the smart contract? The programmers of it the so called founders or the CEO that was the head because he has a history in Investment and green energy???

Additional you can consider PWC's reaction, you see at what time something went wrong! And that was the time directly after the ico and not when the CEO took control of the Company which was weeks later.

And you should know the regulatory side. Who is responsible for the Investors? That is only the CEO. His provate capital could be involved if the Regulator FinMa sees a fraud here that something is stolen from the Investors (token buyers).

So he has something to loose here. Not the tech guys.

[xenomorphe1]

Yes, there are two sides.

The other side said, that they have created so many Tokens for the creditcard transfers and so on.

But they used not one address where they "parked" These Tokens, they used hundreds of addresses.

And they havent stored it till the creditcard transfers were valid (this will happen at July! because of the 6 months after the ICO), they have sold a part of it (millions!).

Theoretical everyone is able to see that, because every transaction is on the bockchain. Maybe they forgot that you even could trace this on the blockchain even when hundreds of addresses are involved.

Just check when Price Waterhouse Cooper (PWC) left envion alone. With that I mean the timepoint when they quit the contract as an Auditor of envion!!! They have done this not now! They have done this immediatly after the ICO. They have done it before the CEO took over the control. They have done this as a result of the Actions that happened with the smart contract (creation of 127.000.000.000 Tokens!). Who has control over the smart contract? The programmers of it the so called founders or the CEO that was the head because he has a history in Investment and green energy???

Additional you can consider PWC's reaction, you see at what time something went wrong! And that was the time directly after the ico and not when the CEO took control of the Company which was weeks later.

And you should know the regulatory side. Who is responsible for the Investors? That is only the CEO. His provate capital could be involved if the Regulator FinMa sees a fraud here that something is stolen from the Investors (token buyers).

So he has something to loose here. Not the tech guys.

The CEO is right, they got $100 000 000, but there is 127 425 494 tokens if you look at Coinmarketcap. And 1 token should be $1... This ICO looks like Titanium ICO... (BAR/TBAR)

People who bought EVN at the exchanges are going to lose everything? As only the initial investors are going to get the EVN2?

If you look at the whitepaper, the Envion team should get 17% of the tokens in total, 83% tokens for the investors.

The max token should be: 120481927.7
The token for the investors should be: 100000000
The token for the Envion team should be: 20481927.7

[oapieNL]

news update on envion-recovery [18 may]

https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/



Token-Swap-Structure:
All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token
Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose
interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens

where are the illigal tokens sold?

[matale0]

Explain that

https://etherscan.io/address/0x462cd55eae454ced675a267d22ebafe743b96528#tokentxns