[ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure

[pstraene]

promising project. I think this project will be successful

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[forghu]

Yes, there is a chance everything goes back on track. Woestmann supposedly has considered talk of a deal to 3rd party token holder group (only confirmed by 3rd parties not Woestmann himself), if genuine suggests he may be getting tired of all this. Founders suggesting if he makes an offer directly to them, they will consider it. Hopefully he'll be taken to court shortly and the first step of confirming his seizure was illegal will be confirmed and this uncertainty will end.

[Serenar]

I am not up to date as i have no time now, i lost over 95000 $ in thsi project so far due to  the situation. Can any one tell me what are the chance to recover our funds ?

[sluppy]

I am not up to date as i have no time now, i lost over 95000 $ in thsi project so far due to  the situation. Can any one tell me what are the chance to recover our funds ?

just wait another 7-10 days there is supposedly an audit about to take place (if u believe what the founders are saying) early june to mid  they claim we will get answers.
If your down 95k there is no point in selling imo unless u need the money to eat im not going to sell for 10 cents on the dollar id rather lose it all then miss out if it comes back but that's your choice.
A little up the posted the telegram channels is where some discussions are taking place but its just a big shouting match of people playing the blame game.

It might come back .. they might be honest people that didn't just rob us .. do I believe everything said by either the Founders or MW Hell no.

[Saschaman]

Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

[frerejaak]

Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

not only this, but sonm is coming out with their crypto iaas mainnet this june, which will pretty much use excess computing power from the network to mine coins at about 20% of the original mining cost. So, not only will envion pretty much be illegal in europe, but also obsolete

[Tuareg]

the capitalization of this project has greatly decreased. for today it is equal to $ 13,719,109 USD. this is a very low price for this project, which so many people believed during ico.

[sockpuppet1911]

Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

Interesting, but i am not sure how that renders the whole business model illegal, please explain if you have an insight on this.

[meikelcoin]

I think there will be no good mining projects in the future. All mining ico have not gone well so far. Terraminer is also very bad. They are not good investments

[tientien5]

During the term of the loan agreement, the borrower undertakes not to dispose of the 81% of the shares in Envion AG without the consent of the issuer of the loan, in particular neither to transfer them to third parties nor to encumber them or to use them as collateral, and also in accordance with a voting agreement. vis-à-vis Envion AG to do everything legally permissible and necessary in order to maximize and not jeopardize the enforcement of the lender's conversion right and its economic content, in particular to exercise the voting rights accordingly.

[camargoherrera]

I don't think someone at NYT is trying to pressure anyone. the journalist, Nathaniel Popper, covers crypto almost full time for NYT and is very skeptical

[forghu]

 the CEO acquired controlling ownership in Envion AG (the holding company) against legally binding contract terms and tried selling the company (without founders knowledge) which would have moved us away from the whitepaper and endangered our investment. He still might. The founders are taking him and Van Aubel (his puppet master) to court to regain control. Still some risk, but we could return to sensible valuation if progress is made.

[thorRJ]

the CEO acquired controlling ownership in Envion AG (the holding company) against legally binding contract terms and tried selling the company (without founders knowledge) which would have moved us away from the whitepaper and endangered our investment. He still might. The founders are taking him and Van Aubel (his puppet master) to court to regain control. Still some risk, but we could return to sensible valuation if progress is made.

I hope something is done. For analyzing the market, the token that cost 1 $ is worth miser $ 0.124163 cents. If it takes too long, this token will not be worth anything, that is, dust

[Xantrax]

You should HODL until July, everything between now and then is just expected wobbles in the road. For whatever reason the CEO withheld the ICO funds from being released clearly is done so in the best interest of the company and the project otherwise why would he freeze the funds? So, EVN holders strap in, HODL as anything now amounts to speculation but they are there and are working towards the intended goal.

[wwzsocki]

I typed this message here 3 weeks ago. Most of it has just come true

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For every  illegal token they sold, envion can now buy 6 tokens if envion sold all for $0.70. multiply that by 20.000.000 tokens = 120.000.000 tokens. With that, envion can now buy up all tokens while they do not have to spend a penny on it. It can still be a big tactic, which is part of the buisness plan. So watch out

This is something I thought about too. It is possible because only people who bought on exchanges will lose. They will have no place to go for help with this tokens. I heard this opinions lately about tokens sold on exchanges: "This is your gamble if you buy an ICO token".

Envion will swap 1:1 to not piss off investors because they have some legal rights and can look for justice in court. Finally, they make millions using this maneuver.

I'm still not 100% sure what will happen with tokens sold on exchanges. People who bought them really have no legal rights at all? Why? I think they can sue the company which listed this token on the exchange (if not P2P). If this token is fraud then somebody broke the law when listed on exchanges. Or not?
It would be great if somebody explains this in details.

Then tokens shouldn't be able to be transffered. And we are talking about value of EVN tokens not value of ICO investors.

I don't understand what you mean by " we are talking about value of EVN tokens not value of ICO investors"? Can you explain?

From what I know the money from ICO are not used and are deposited in a bank account. If this is the case then there will be no problem to give back investment to investors which are still holding their token or swap them. They have all detail from KYC. So better to hold and lose everything then miss the chance of swap or refund.

[jtalk]

This part of availability of tokens on exchanges and continuous trading is most complicated. There is no clarity what will be with opportunists who stepped in and grabbed dips ? Overall it seems that everyone will be pissed off early investors and later buyers but no one understands as possible outcomes are more than just one. I prepare myself for the bad results apparently this is visible but who knows if some good ending comes though chances are really little.

[Saschaman]

Authorities in Europe have ruled that crypto mining is a financial service or better said AIF, an alternative investment fund. Basically to my understanding this is probably the end of envion as it renders their business model simply illegal, I guess they will have to pay back the money to investors, but not for sure, it might also just be distributed among the shareholders, I did not read the WP in this regard, maybe someone should do it to soon.

Interesting, but i am not sure how that renders the whole business model illegal, please explain if you have an insight on this.

Simply put, cryptomining is now a business that needs a AIF license allover Europe. To get an AIF license you need to fullfill many things, basically not doable for Envion. Also minimum investment is 50K EUR. You also need a licensed manager and must be iversight by a financial authority. In short there is no way Envion could possibly comply and there is also no way they can possible change the business model after the token sale. So I guess they will have to shut down. Main question is if the money then falls to the shareholders or tokenholders.
In my humble opinion the probem with the founderrs and MW are a joke compared to the AIF issue

[samsung1]

cant complain i was already 3k in so the last couple weeks of buying up coins at a fraction of ico price has been a blessing, just hope they fix this mess and get to work mining

[influence]

Even if the problem once have been resolved. What is the potential that we are looking at for the token price to shoot up again.

[meikelcoin]

where are there new photos or videos of the new containers? so many are to be built ! or was it a mistake and no material was ordered and delivered? and today  €0,107215 EUR