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[bible_pay]

Only stability gives success.

There were too many changes, and testnet is for testing,
I wrote after testing how many bugs is in POG.
Unfortunately, Rob just laughed.

Interesting you would say there are bugs but not share specific.

Most people here are not programmers.

But I didnt laugh, Im all ears for the improvements to POBH that he said he secretly has.  I replied with and maintain that there are no holes in POG.

I already know of the attack vector that people claimed was an attack vector for pog (people saving up coin-age and hitting us while diff is low) but that is not an attack as we have that patched in develop its just never being used in Prod (yet), so skipping that known one, I maintain there are no holes in POG.

On POBH, I said Im all ears for you to share your secret.  But I can say up front, Im sure we already know what you will say, and you know when I reply it will ruin your theory (thats why hes holding it back).  There is nothing new being brought to the table with POBH- the other coins have gone through it.  Im not embarassed that we limit POBH to distinct users - it is still a noble effort to do that.  Its the difference between rewarding rich kids with 20 servers and rewarding distinct houses in BBP.  Im thinking the distinct houses are Christian economy members.

POG is still good - we're just going through a week of embarassment here (I am at least).

[nsummy]

This pog stuff makes absolutely zero sense.  Furthermore this  "leaderboard" doesn't seem to list the people in any specific order

Do you have any specific questions? Or you're just ranting?

I've had an enhancement request to sort pogpool by block height. Would that make more sense to you?

enhancement: pogpool sort by block height
https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/issues/69

Where do I even begin?  I have my tithe=1 and it hasn't auto donated since the 7th.  I have 160k bbp that has been in my wallet for ages so I know its not a coin age problem.  The difficulty makes no sense, really the whole concept makes no sense.  If i have a hard time understanding this I can assure you 99% of others will too.

[slovakia]

thank to ORBIS for his translate+tutorial to Slovak language and posted to our SK-CZ biggest FB group ....and i understand what POG is and hows working ... mate,it looks for very good proposal for you .. do it and slovak-czech ppl will send votes from all our masternodes

[slovakia]

ROBERT you wrote here that you setuped limits on your pool for credible accounts and this is what?

 
This withdrawal amount exceeds BiblePay's hot wallet limit; please withdraw less than 1001 bbp.

ROBERT?

[sunk818]

Where do I even begin?  I have my tithe=1 and it hasn't auto donated since the 7th.  I have 160k bbp that has been in my wallet for ages so I know its not a coin age problem.  The difficulty makes no sense, really the whole concept makes no sense.  If i have a hard time understanding this I can assure you 99% of others will too.

I'm glad you began somewhere. But it seems you missed my question I asked earlier:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2388064.msg49650078#msg49650078

Also, someone on Discord asked if you set it for tithe=1 does the wallet check every 4 hours to attempt a tithe, or will it tithe ASAP if more than 4 hours have elapsed? For example, let's say I tithed 3 hours ago... but the PoG difficulty is so high, I won't be able to tithe until 3 hours later (6 total hours elapse). When the 6th hour is approached, will the auto tithe fire off a donation?

Looking at the code, it only does the getdifficulty and applicability check once every 4 hours (with auto on).  So yes, they would miss out on tithing if the diff drops while their miner is not checking.  So in their case they should probably do the tithe=10.

[vahtis]

Only stability gives success.

There were too many changes, and testnet is for testing,
I wrote after testing how many bugs is in POG.
Unfortunately, Rob just laughed.

Interesting you would say there are bugs but not share specific.

Most people here are not programmers.

But I didnt laugh, Im all ears for the improvements to POBH that he said he secretly has.  I replied with and maintain that there are no holes in POG.

I already know of the attack vector that people claimed was an attack vector for pog (people saving up coin-age and hitting us while diff is low) but that is not an attack as we have that patched in develop its just never being used in Prod (yet), so skipping that known one, I maintain there are no holes in POG.

On POBH, I said Im all ears for you to share your secret.  But I can say up front, Im sure we already know what you will say, and you know when I reply it will ruin your theory (thats why hes holding it back).  There is nothing new being brought to the table with POBH- the other coins have gone through it.  Im not embarassed that we limit POBH to distinct users - it is still a noble effort to do that.  Its the difference between rewarding rich kids with 20 servers and rewarding distinct houses in BBP.  Im thinking the distinct houses are Christian economy members.

POG is still good - we're just going through a week of embarassment here (I am at least).

In my opinion this is not very good.
Again donations to orphans
Tithes given 1315 Reward 1184.26594402

[bible_pay]

Only stability gives success.

There were too many changes, and testnet is for testing,
I wrote after testing how many bugs is in POG.
Unfortunately, Rob just laughed.

Interesting you would say there are bugs but not share specific.

Most people here are not programmers.

But I didnt laugh, Im all ears for the improvements to POBH that he said he secretly has.  I replied with and maintain that there are no holes in POG.

I already know of the attack vector that people claimed was an attack vector for pog (people saving up coin-age and hitting us while diff is low) but that is not an attack as we have that patched in develop its just never being used in Prod (yet), so skipping that known one, I maintain there are no holes in POG.

On POBH, I said Im all ears for you to share your secret.  But I can say up front, Im sure we already know what you will say, and you know when I reply it will ruin your theory (thats why hes holding it back).  There is nothing new being brought to the table with POBH- the other coins have gone through it.  Im not embarassed that we limit POBH to distinct users - it is still a noble effort to do that.  Its the difference between rewarding rich kids with 20 servers and rewarding distinct houses in BBP.  Im thinking the distinct houses are Christian economy members.

POG is still good - we're just going through a week of embarassment here (I am at least).

In my opinion this is not very good.
Again donations to orphans
Tithes given 1315 Reward 1184.26594402

We will have a fix out within 8 hours.

Phase 1 will correct the problem as people upgrade within 48 hours.

Phase 2 will correct the problem in a more graceful way permanently (after 7 days).

[vahtis]

We will have a fix out within 8 hours.

Phase 1 will correct the problem as people upgrade within 48 hours.

Phase 2 will correct the problem in a more graceful way permanently (after 7 days).

Could you please be a bit more transparent. What are the phases?

[slovakia]

ROBERT you wrote here that you setuped limits on your pool for credible accounts and this is what?

 
This withdrawal amount exceeds BiblePay's hot wallet limit; please withdraw less than 1001 bbp.

ROBERT?

[bible_pay]

We will have a fix out within 8 hours.

Phase 1 will correct the problem as people upgrade within 48 hours.

Phase 2 will correct the problem in a more graceful way permanently (after 7 days).

Could you please be a bit more transparent. What are the phases?

Please read the notification on the release.

[bible_pay]

ROBERT you wrote here that you setuped limits on your pool for credible accounts and this is what?

 
This withdrawal amount exceeds BiblePay's hot wallet limit; please withdraw less than 1001 bbp.

ROBERT?

The message is accurate.

[vahtis]

c-cex hot wallet might be on different chain. My withdraws and deposits are not working

[bible_pay]

c-cex hot wallet might be on different chain. My withdraws and deposits are not working

Created ticket, thanks. 

[bible_pay]

BiblePay - 1.1.8.7 - Mandatory Upgrade
For entire network before block 102,025


- Fix bug in POG mining algorithm causing too many tithes to enter the
pog pool per day
- During block heights 100,775-102,024 BiblePay corrects most of the
overflow effects as a temporary leisure fix
- After block 102,025 (the mandatory deadline cutover height) Biblepay
upgrades POG to v2.0; this allows thousands of tithes into the pog pool
per day and corrects the algorithm from overflow effects and prevents
attacks
- Fix POW difficulty value for POBH in getinfo
- Make POG leaderboard sort by share % descending
- Allow tithe=n (allow any value including 2; 0=off, 1=default, 2-up =
minutes between tithing)
- Increased PODC vote height to 107,000 (when we vote to retire PODC)

https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/commit/52b3fe81ca2ada664d815f21d090aa7ac12b5448

[sunk818]

The current system while not perfect, is self policing. pagalo, ishtosh, sakic, etc must realize they are getting an negative ROI if they submit too many tithes. I'm sure there may be others who think they can over tithe as well, but you can see things have calmed down. This makes me question if a mandatory is really necessary.  Aren't mandatories every three months at most? We just had a mandatory...

In 1187, what does tithing look like. Will it be thousands of tiny donations (spammy?) clogging up the network raising bandwidth cost for everyone?

BiblePay - 1.1.8.7 - Mandatory Upgrade
For entire network before block 102,025


- Fix bug in POG mining algorithm causing too many tithes to enter the
pog pool per day
- During block heights 100,775-102,024 BiblePay corrects most of the
overflow effects as a temporary leisure fix
- After block 102,025 (the mandatory deadline cutover height) Biblepay
upgrades POG to v2.0; this allows thousands of tithes into the pog pool
per day and corrects the algorithm from overflow effects and prevents
attacks
- Fix POW difficulty value for POBH in getinfo
- Make POG leaderboard sort by share % descending
- Allow tithe=n (allow any value including 2; 0=off, 1=default, 2-up =
minutes between tithing)
- Increased PODC vote height to 107,000 (when we vote to retire PODC)

https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/commit/52b3fe81ca2ada664d815f21d090aa7ac12b5448

[macko20]

Bbp wallet - c-cex offline, southx offline.
Slovakia 1 sato? We are going to 0 sato.

Very politely.

[macko20]

The last thing we need is the good lawyer service.

Masternode vote ?? There were no. Maybe it's wild west. But this is a very interesting topic. The whole subject is an interesting document. Because masternods vote when they are comfortable.

Rob, you're not dealing with children. You made yourself a testnet with bbp.

Do you want any bets? No, I do not bet with people who are jumping in panic.

It makes me laugh, but probably other people less.

Do it even pog57 version, it's just hypocrisy ...

Next mandatory enough.

[bible_pay]

The current system while not perfect, is self policing. pagalo, ishtosh, sakic, etc must realize they are getting an negative ROI if they submit too many tithes. I'm sure there may be others who think they can over tithe as well, but you can see things have calmed down. This makes me question if a mandatory is really necessary.  Aren't mandatories every three months at most? We just had a mandatory...

In 1187, what does tithing look like. Will it be thousands of tiny donations (spammy?) clogging up the network raising bandwidth cost for everyone?

BiblePay - 1.1.8.7 - Mandatory Upgrade
For entire network before block 102,025


- Fix bug in POG mining algorithm causing too many tithes to enter the
pog pool per day
- During block heights 100,775-102,024 BiblePay corrects most of the
overflow effects as a temporary leisure fix
- After block 102,025 (the mandatory deadline cutover height) Biblepay
upgrades POG to v2.0; this allows thousands of tithes into the pog pool
per day and corrects the algorithm from overflow effects and prevents
attacks
- Fix POW difficulty value for POBH in getinfo
- Make POG leaderboard sort by share % descending
- Allow tithe=n (allow any value including 2; 0=off, 1=default, 2-up =
minutes between tithing)
- Increased PODC vote height to 107,000 (when we vote to retire PODC)

https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/commit/52b3fe81ca2ada664d815f21d090aa7ac12b5448

- Yes, a mandatory is necessary
- In POG v2.0 one person cannot over-tithe (the coin-age will be spent quicker)
- Tithing wont be spammy, it will be about 3* more frequent as it is now, but this "assumption" of spammy is not correct to begin with, as difficulty will settle in a dynamic fashion
- I don't see evidence that BBP has high bandwidth costs due to transactions yet - as a matter of fact I asked for evidence and didnt receive a baseline from any other coin
  b. If I do receive a baseline, the study is not done until a report shows bytes per messagetype (so that is two steps)

[bible_pay]

Bbp wallet - c-cex offline, southx offline.
Slovakia 1 sato? We are going to 0 sato.

Very politely.

No problem, politeness is good.
Please take this into consideration for your spread of FUD also:
Part of our drop in price is due to unlocking of the locked up 50 mil in 20bbp-per-rac.  

So enjoy the coins while they are cheap because when they are gone the price then goes up to what they are worth (in contrast to what you are saying).

[bible_pay]

The last thing we need is the good lawyer service.

Masternode vote ?? There were no. Maybe it's wild west. But this is a very interesting topic. The whole subject is an interesting document. Because masternods vote when they are comfortable.

Rob, you're not dealing with children. You made yourself a testnet with bbp.

Do you want any bets? No, I do not bet with people who are jumping in panic.

It makes me laugh, but probably other people less.

Do it even pog57 version, it's just hypocrisy ...

Next mandatory enough.

Yes, we had a Sanctuary vote for every important decision.

We are 100% democratic.

I figured that was all you had with your idea about POBH!   Zilch?

Your afraid to take the bet also...  

Remember, I still look to God as my father, and our secret weapon is praying that POG is successful when the time is right to extend his Kingdom.
We need be Kingdom minded and glorify God, not men.