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February 19, 2018, 03:07:45 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/QKwugjx.png

Average hashrate climbed to 220 h/s, mainly from Google Cloud Platform and Amazon Web Services. I hope you have 20 CPUs or ten 1080 TIs at home to compete with them. Yes, you read correctly, you can mine it with GPUs on linux too (https://bitbucket.org/guli13/arionum-gpu-miner), it's even more efficient than a CPU! Decentralization is zero at the moment and the network very weak, vulnerable to 51% attacks. Three to five addresses have 60-80% of nethash for weeks now.

https://i.imgur.com/muQnZrs.png

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[ANN] [ARO] | Arionum | Cloudmining only | PHP Based | Centralized Revolution

text book example of a shitcoin.

The GPU miner does not work like it used to, in most cases a GPU does worse than CPU. We tested with 2080TI's and got less than 20 h/s

I doubt that a 1080 TI gets less h/s than a 1070. Can you provide a screenshot with your claim?

Here is the GPU miner running 2 1080s, avg combined hash/s is 32 (or 16 each).  If you want I can stop my miner and run just one of my cards.

https://i.imgur.com/3HoNHUB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ba9bxDV.jpg


Here is a 8 core virtual server that I am running that is giving me 18 Hash/s.
https://i.imgur.com/vMwc9D6.jpg

What are your settings for 1080, -b 15 -t 1?

yes they are -b 15 -t 1
https://i.imgur.com/gknv9lI.png
 Huh

Interesting, maybe my older CPU/memory is being the bottle neck.
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February 19, 2018, 04:11:59 AM
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Average hashrate climbed to 220 h/s, mainly from Google Cloud Platform and Amazon Web Services. I hope you have 20 CPUs or ten 1080 TIs at home to compete with them. Yes, you read correctly, you can mine it with GPUs on linux too (https://bitbucket.org/guli13/arionum-gpu-miner), it's even more efficient than a CPU! Decentralization is zero at the moment and the network very weak, vulnerable to 51% attacks. Three to five addresses have 60-80% of nethash for weeks now.


Didn't see anyone else reply to this but it seems important to mention

This isn't BTC. Fees are fixed, common, known and non-variable (same rule against all transactions). Block size is variable based on past block's nearness to size cap. But, what decides transaction inclusion? Miners? Nope. Nodes. So, the health of the network -- its vulnerability, so to speak, is controlled by the distributed nodes, not the miners. 50-60-70% "mining" ownership doesn't confer any special power to determine block direction. If they run a solo mining gig and attempt to alter transaction / mempool, all the other nodes will reject them. It'd be good to do a more rigorous analysis on the vulnerabilities, risks, and benefits of this approach vs. the BTC approach, but the traditional mining-based 51% rule quite literally does not apply here.

Hope that helps a bit.
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February 19, 2018, 11:22:53 AM
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@happenZ The fact that it's worth mining with clouds proves just that the CPU mining works as it's supposed to on a cpu coin. Nobody stops you from spinning your own clouds and mining it. Some people are investing a lot of money into clouds to mine it with CPU, you can do the same.
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February 19, 2018, 01:06:45 PM
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@happenZ The fact that it's worth mining with clouds proves just that the CPU mining works as it's supposed to on a cpu coin. Nobody stops you from spinning your own clouds and mining it. Some people are investing a lot of money into clouds to mine it with CPU, you can do the same.

What you are saying is actually only partially true, since you can spin up all your aws ec2´s with GPUs and GPUs (still) outperform CPU hash power on ARO. Your argument is invalid as far as it is invalid for every other coin/miner out there, more money (hardware, aws, gpus, etc ) equals more hashpower, it´s not about CPU vs GPU Algo. I´m not saying that´s a bad thing, I´m just saying that the fact that people are spending money on aws-Mining doesn't´t say anything about that "the CPU mining works as it's supposed to on a cpu coin" as you stated. It only shows that people believe in ARO and the possible gain in value of it, which is a good thing I guess.
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February 19, 2018, 01:22:53 PM
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@happenZ The fact that it's worth mining with clouds proves just that the CPU mining works as it's supposed to on a cpu coin. Nobody stops you from spinning your own clouds and mining it. Some people are investing a lot of money into clouds to mine it with CPU, you can do the same.

What you are saying is actually only partially true, since you can spin up all your aws ec2´s with GPUs and GPUs (still) outperform CPU hash power on ARO. Your argument is invalid as far as it is invalid for every other coin/miner out there, more money (hardware, aws, gpus, etc ) equals more hashpower, it´s not about CPU vs GPU Algo. I´m not saying that´s a bad thing, I´m just saying that the fact that people are spending money on aws-Mining doesn't´t say anything about that "the CPU mining works as it's supposed to on a cpu coin" as you stated. It only shows that people believe in ARO and the possible gain in value of it, which is a good thing I guess.

Aws tests:
p3.2xlarge  with V100 gpu costs 1.01$/h on spot price, and makes 34H/s
c3.8xlarge with 32 cpus costs 0.46$/h on spot price, and makes 33H/s
How does the GPU outperform the CPU?
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February 19, 2018, 01:41:33 PM
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C3 High-CPU Eight Extra Large c3.8xlarge 32 vCPUs $1.680000 hourly $1.168000 hourly $3.008000 hourly $2.631000 hourly
   
That pricing seems off to begin with, but I don't doubt that a cX instance is cheaper. Do you have any actual data to back up that HS\s ? If so I will be happy to retract my comment above. That V100 should more or less perform the same as 2x 1080ti + 8 vCPUS should be around 42 HS\s
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February 19, 2018, 01:44:30 PM
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Check the spot pricing, as that's what everyone is using.

The H/s came from my own tests, but as i doubt you trust the data i provided, feel free to test yourself.
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February 19, 2018, 01:59:15 PM
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Average hashrate climbed to 220 h/s, mainly from Google Cloud Platform and Amazon Web Services. I hope you have 20 CPUs or ten 1080 TIs at home to compete with them. Yes, you read correctly, you can mine it with GPUs on linux too (https://bitbucket.org/guli13/arionum-gpu-miner), it's even more efficient than a CPU! Decentralization is zero at the moment and the network very weak, vulnerable to 51% attacks. Three to five addresses have 60-80% of nethash for weeks now.


Is anyone able to compile GPU miner for AMD and see how AMD GPU perform, just to check if they are not hashing more and which might challenge CPU mining again?
Any results will be appreciated and if anyone can compile, I can test that.

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February 19, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
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It seems like this can be GPU mined. Is it profitable to CPU mine this right now?
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February 19, 2018, 02:37:26 PM
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@fonship Guli's gpu miner works on AMD as well, using the opencl version.

@tankman It is possible to mine with gpu, but it's not profitable.
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February 19, 2018, 03:19:49 PM
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I have done some research as to why the 1080 under performs against the 1070.  Being that ARO mining is memory bandwidth limited, it may have the same issue with the 1080 performing pooly with mining ETH.

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/9277/1080-specific-ethereum-mining-issues

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February 19, 2018, 03:28:15 PM
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Average hashrate climbed to 220 h/s, mainly from Google Cloud Platform and Amazon Web Services. I hope you have 20 CPUs or ten 1080 TIs at home to compete with them. Yes, you read correctly, you can mine it with GPUs on linux too (https://bitbucket.org/guli13/arionum-gpu-miner), it's even more efficient than a CPU! Decentralization is zero at the moment and the network very weak, vulnerable to 51% attacks. Three to five addresses have 60-80% of nethash for weeks now.


Didn't see anyone else reply to this but it seems important to mention

This isn't BTC. Fees are fixed, common, known and non-variable (same rule against all transactions). Block size is variable based on past block's nearness to size cap. But, what decides transaction inclusion? Miners? Nope. Nodes. So, the health of the network -- its vulnerability, so to speak, is controlled by the distributed nodes, not the miners. 50-60-70% "mining" ownership doesn't confer any special power to determine block direction. If they run a solo mining gig and attempt to alter transaction / mempool, all the other nodes will reject them. It'd be good to do a more rigorous analysis on the vulnerabilities, risks, and benefits of this approach vs. the BTC approach, but the traditional mining-based 51% rule quite literally does not apply here.

Hope that helps a bit.

So if I understood correctly, you just said a few nodes can stage a 51% attack with a lot less bad apples in the team  than it typically is needed from potentially thousands if miners (aka a couple of pool owners). Correct?

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@brooklynite/btcz-and-how-it-is-a-distinguished-crytocurrency-bitcoinz-or-bitcoin-2-0
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February 19, 2018, 03:36:30 PM
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Still no exchanges?

https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@brooklynite/btcz-and-how-it-is-a-distinguished-crytocurrency-bitcoinz-or-bitcoin-2-0
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February 19, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
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So if I understood correctly, you just said a few nodes can stage a 51% attack with a lot less bad apples in the team  than it typically is needed from potentially thousands if miners (aka a couple of pool owners). Correct?

Fairly sure that is not what I stated, but feel free to expand on why it led you to that conclusion.

From my understanding and current code layout, concentrated "attack" on ARO in this fashion would just lead to legitimate, non-participatory nodes having a very large blacklist locally as none of the blocks from the bad apple nodes would be accepted, whether solo mined, mined on "bad" pools, or any other fashion. It'd behave more like a fork, with a segment of the network hashing away on a blockchain now totally disconnected from the rest of the network. "Good" miners on this "attack" fork would get all their nonces rejected on the "bad" pools; all the "Bad" miners on this "attack" fork would get all their nonces rejected on the "good" pools.

It would be easy to spot, and for owners of nodes that care, easy to bypass. It would not be possible in this fashion to "subvert" the legitimate network nodes.
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February 19, 2018, 07:07:10 PM
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Average hashrate climbed to 220 h/s, mainly from Google Cloud Platform and Amazon Web Services. I hope you have 20 CPUs or ten 1080 TIs at home to compete with them. Yes, you read correctly, you can mine it with GPUs on linux too (https://bitbucket.org/guli13/arionum-gpu-miner), it's even more efficient than a CPU! Decentralization is zero at the moment and the network very weak, vulnerable to 51% attacks. Three to five addresses have 60-80% of nethash for weeks now.



OP should rename ANN thread to  

[ANN] [ARO] | Arionum | Cloudmining only | PHP Based | Centralized Revolution

text book example of a shitcoin.

Yeah, one more cpu mining altcoin are almost f**ked up by botnets/cloud miners with trial accs and other things. Seems, with current "price" on aro coin once network hashrate will hit ~200Kh/s it will be not profitable  for cloudminers who really pay for rented hardware, and will stay only botnets and free accs. Bullshit


Still no exchanges?
Still no exchange.
Well, profitability of mining Arionum coin are almost destroyed by a few large whales and some amount of small cloud miners with trial accs and it happened even faster than this coin hit any exchange.
BS
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February 19, 2018, 07:27:18 PM
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Hello I am New In Cryptocurrency and I am Mining ARO on my CPU It Shows Only H/s But how can i check my block, in my %appdata% dir i have only two files nodelist and aro wallet  Cry

Please anyone guide me how can i check my block or anything i have to download for this?Huh?
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February 19, 2018, 08:20:41 PM
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Yeah, one more cpu mining altcoin are almost f**ked up by botnets/cloud miners with trial accs and other things. Seems, with current "price" on aro coin once network hashrate will hit ~200Kh/s it will be not profitable  for cloudminers who really pay for rented hardware, and will stay only botnets and free accs. Bullshit

Still no exchange.
Well, profitability of mining Arionum coin are almost destroyed by a few large whales and some omount of small cloud miners with trial accs and it happened even faster than this coin hit any exchange.
BS

you are reading my mind...
I've really can not understand people using 1070 and 1080 on this.
The only difference is the programming language. What's the point with a 65% -80% pre-mine. there is no point. And this is exactly what a couple of wallets do on the main pool.
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February 19, 2018, 08:33:50 PM
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Yeah, one more cpu mining altcoin are almost f**ked up by botnets/cloud miners with trial accs and other things. Seems, with current "price" on aro coin once network hashrate will hit ~200Kh/s it will be not profitable  for cloudminers who really pay for rented hardware, and will stay only botnets and free accs. Bullshit

Still no exchange.
Well, profitability of mining Arionum coin are almost destroyed by a few large whales and some omount of small cloud miners with trial accs and it happened even faster than this coin hit any exchange.
BS

you are reading my mind...
I've really can not understand people using 1070 and 1080 on this.
The only difference is the programming language. What's the point with a 65% -80% pre-mine. there is no point. And this is exactly what a couple of wallets do on the main pool.
How's this pre-mine? You can spin up your own clouds if you don't have enough cpu power. You're basically complaining that some people invest (or have) more money than you do.
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February 19, 2018, 08:50:32 PM
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Yeah poor people get bitter really quick just be happy that some people are investing in aro
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February 19, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
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What's the point with a 65% -80% pre-mine. there is no point. And this is exactly what a couple of wallets do on the main pool.
This is not a premine, just 60-70% of arionum emission are controlled by a few persons. Devs don't care.

very soon aro mining won't be profitable even for cloudminers, only will stay for shitty botnets and trial accs.
Hashrate has rose on 150%since past week, but quantity of miners on pool stays unchanged, about 600.

Some time ago Monero miners was totally fckd up by large botnets like coinhive, and some other js webminers and compromised pc botnets. Now the time of Arionum.
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