Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[LennonNZ]

For the Price in BTC I paid in October for an X1 , I can get a refund and buy 5-6 of them now. Better than a Bank.

[Stedsm]

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

or at the very least give us our 25% NOW  while we can make some use of it

[bobsag3]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

I am certainly not black arrow matt. I was in BTC Miami this weekend, tons of people can verify that.
A large number of the people on this form know me personally, and my ties to black arrow. Ive never attempted to hide anything.

[erk]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

Lots of people who ordered from BA got emails to say batch one isn't shipping until May and they haven't done tapeout yet. Hence a kind of panic.

[bobsag3]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

Lots of people who ordered from BA got emails to say batch one isn't shipping until May and they haven't done tapeout yet. Hence a kind of panic.

I know that- Ive been working on this all day. I posted a update in the R17 group buy thread, but forgot to post here. Ill go grab it and edit it in.


EDIT!

Hey guys quick update

- I have been on direct contact with Black Arrow in regards to the recent announced delay. They have not disappeared, taken off with the money ETC.
- We will be getting the 25% extra hashrate as promised to all batch one customers (applies only to Batch 1orders)
- I will be working as much as possible with them directly to further resolve this and to hopefully speed up the timeline
- I will be  flying out to the UK next week to meet with them all in person, just waiting on when they can have me arrive (they are finally opening their physical London office) I will to my best to bring pictures news and updates away from this meeting. [Leaving monday night, meeting tuesday/wednesday , return thursday]

I have been up a very long time last night working with this, and probably will be up late the next few days, so please excuse me if I come off as rude, just want to keep you guys as informed as possible.

[-Redacted-]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

I am certainly not black arrow matt. I was in BTC Miami this weekend, tons of people can verify that.
A large number of the people on this form know me personally, and my ties to black arrow. Ive never attempted to hide anything.

He's not "black arrow Matt".  But I guarantee our Matt is flying off to England to have a little -somewhat heated- chat with his "black arrow" namesake....

[thomas_s]

You make no sense. If you have something substantive to post, then feel free. Otherwise, you're wasting people's time.

Allow me to waste some more of people's time.

Time frame analysis while Matt Carson was in China.

BlackArrow Matt posted on December 04, 2013, 01:40:34 PM, then didn't post again till December 12, 2013, 07:17:01 PM, less than an hour after bobsag3 on December 10, 2013, 06:35:46 PM.

So we got any official reps here from Black Arrow besides OP?

For now theres me, and BlackArrow_Matt. For a while I thought he was impersonating me... we have the same name and I got confused lol.

Note the date of the post above.

Cool story bro.

Ready for another one?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.msg2980052#msg2980052

Re: ► ► ►HashFast Endorsement
August 21, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
 #458
All I see coming out of your responses and those of the company representatives is PR. Not A single concrete answer for the multitude of questions asked, most very simple. If I ran any of my businesses this way I would not be in business any more, and would be ashamed to admit it. At least BFL is a known quantity.

I've yet to read Matt Carson saying the same about his beloved Black Arrow. Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's BlackArrow Matt.

Hi,

I've been part of the bitcointalk community for a while. I was fortunate enough to become part of the Black Arrow team and I'm going to do my best to answer as many questions as possible while I'm here. We're extremely busy answering emails and taking orders for our February 2014 release.

If any moderators want to verify me, please PM me and I will provide my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

For a while easily equates to: Date Registered:   August 11, 2013, 09:10:08 PM

I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

[bobsag3]

You make no sense. If you have something substantive to post, then feel free. Otherwise, you're wasting people's time.

Allow me to waste some more of people's time.

Time frame analysis while Matt Carson was in China.

BlackArrow Matt posted on December 04, 2013, 01:40:34 PM, then didn't post again till December 12, 2013, 07:17:01 PM, less than an hour after bobsag3 on December 10, 2013, 06:35:46 PM.

So we got any official reps here from Black Arrow besides OP?

For now theres me, and BlackArrow_Matt. For a while I thought he was impersonating me... we have the same name and I got confused lol.

Note the date of the post above.

Cool story bro.

Ready for another one?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.msg2980052#msg2980052

Re: ► ► ►HashFast Endorsement
August 21, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
 #458
All I see coming out of your responses and those of the company representatives is PR. Not A single concrete answer for the multitude of questions asked, most very simple. If I ran any of my businesses this way I would not be in business any more, and would be ashamed to admit it. At least BFL is a known quantity.

I've yet to read Matt Carson saying the same about his beloved Black Arrow. Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's BlackArrow Matt.

Hi,

I've been part of the bitcointalk community for a while. I was fortunate enough to become part of the Black Arrow team and I'm going to do my best to answer as many questions as possible while I'm here. We're extremely busy answering emails and taking orders for our February 2014 release.

If any moderators want to verify me, please PM me and I will provide my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

For a while easily equates to: Date Registered:   August 11, 2013, 09:10:08 PM

I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

[jimmothy]

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

So now that you're here can we get an official statement regarding the delays?

How will the extra 25% cloud mining be handled for us who bought through your site?

Also I assume there will be no refunds but many are wondering so a clear statement would help.

Thanks

[TinkerTom]

...
I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

As chatty as all this is, do you realize that your direct customers didn't hear anything from you or from Black Arrow about this? It's pretty shitty reading about it in a comment on reddit.

[bobsag3]

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

So now that you're here can we get an official statement regarding the delays?

How will the extra 25% cloud mining be handled for us who bought through your site?

Also I assume there will be no refunds but many are wondering so a clear statement would help.

Thanks

I do not have the exact details- thats is the point of the trip. I will be hashing (no pun) that out with them directly in person, as well as getting any additional details I can to share back with my customers and the community.

[Flying Hellfish]

Can we get a direct official statement from Miner Source for their customers, will refunds be offered for B1 customers?

[bobsag3]

...
I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

As chatty as all this is, do you realize that your direct customers didn't hear anything from you or from Black Arrow about this? It's pretty shitty reading about it in a comment on reddit.

I got a short statement out on the R17 thread, as well as on the company FB page this morning when I first confirmed the news, and have had a busy day fielding customer calls and emails, ongoing training, and now responding to the forums. No excuse for our response time- part of the meetings during the trip is to work on resolving these communications issues better.

[sticky]

i started a poll on the ecoin forums....http://ecointalk.net/topic/477-a-chance-for-black-arrow-to-set-up-and-make-things-right/

if you're a batch 1 customer, please stop in and vote, maybe we can get a little something for our lost time.

[jimmothy]

i started a poll on the ecoin forums....http://ecointalk.net/topic/477-a-chance-for-black-arrow-to-set-up-and-make-things-right/

if you're a batch 1 customer, please stop in and vote, maybe we can get a little something for our lost time.

Hashing for us with their bitfurys does sound pretty reasonable to me. I doubt they have enough hashing power to cover 1/4th the total ordered hashrate though.

[jtoomim]

Hey bobsag3, can you read this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg4837079#msg4837079

and this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg4837704#msg4837704

please? Like many others, I think the planned 25% for 4 months is insufficient. I think it would be fair to compensate with the same number of hashes (not hashes/sec, but actual hashes) that are lost. 2 months' delay on a 2 TH/s should be compensated with either 4 months cloud hashing at 1 TH/s or 2 months at 2 TH/s. If you think that's reasonable, please discuss it with Black Arrow when you meet with them in London.

Also, I'm going to be in Shenzhen for most of February. If there's anything I can do to help BA or the community while I'm there, please let me know.

[alani123]

What are your calculations for how much it'll make starting 10th may? 2-3 coins?

http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty


Assuming that there will be TONS of 2 Th/s miners from other cmpanies shipes at April, March, AND may well... If all these ship in time lets say ~30% increase in current the difficulty? And that's still a crappy optimistic prediction.

[nexus99]

Dude, why does it matter so much? What are you hoping to get out of this?
Maybe they value their privacy. It's obvious that you don't.

Stop feeding the trolls...

[jimmothy]

You are aware that both minersource.net and blackarrow have delivered asics in the past? What makes you think a private company will give you their identities because they have a 2 month delay? You ordered from a company knowing they had not and do not plan on disclosing identities. Besides we all know how little an "identity" does in reality. Take a look at labcoin if you don't believe me.

[xstr8guy]

Wake up guys!

You probably just funded their private Bitfury (and AntMiner?) mining farm with your preorder money.  I have a strong suspicion that they used your money to buy ASICs with ZERO intention of ever producing a working 28nm design of their own.  They'll just keep stalling until they have enough funds to refund everyone and then they'll quietly "disappear".

I hope for every BlackArrow investor's sake that I'm wrong... but I don't think I am.