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Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.
because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly. you just make it all up as you go along. |
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February 12, 2014, 10:02:14 AM |
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Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.
because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly. So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips? I just make it all up as I go along.
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jimmothy
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February 12, 2014, 10:26:04 AM |
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Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.
because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly. So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips? I just make it all up as I go along.
FTFY as i said, good luck with your pre-order. and yes, that was the first mass tapeout of 20nm chips. the news was released on the 17th january 2014, and the article states there are 10 or so clients already in place.. further fab will not commence until may 2014. so while you are at home chugging away on your anticipation of 20nm chips, i'm busy hashing. don't get me wrong, I DO want you to have your rig, i DO want you to be part of the network and i DO want you to be profitable in everything you do. I'm simply putting some realism into the greed I see afore me. again, all I am saying, stinks of FRAUD - i hope that I am wrong. You stink of FUD |
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quantguy
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February 12, 2014, 11:07:56 AM |
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Dear Black Arrow, please come over here and write some meaningful response in this thread.
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February 12, 2014, 11:40:08 AM |
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If they had a good news they will not wait so long to post them..so I think that nothing good is on the horizon!!
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February 12, 2014, 12:46:39 PM |
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As it seems that he is doing his best to mislead our customers by claiming that we're are not genuine, we have asked Phinnaeus Gage to contact VeriSilicon to confirm if we are doing the Bitcoin mining ASIC with them. He has refused twice. As he has posted more than 170 messages here (all deleted by us) and he is replying every few seconds shows that he has a lot of spare time and writing an email to VeriSilicon would not be a time issue for him. The refusal to check if we are legit leads us to suspect that he might have a hidden agenda. Please find below a snapshot which supports our comments: Re: Rolla, MO is a small town...
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In order to resume conversation with us, please paste the reply you've got from Verisilicon regarding our chip.
Regards!
Obviously, you have lost your fuckin' mind! I didn't contact Verisilicon because I believe there is no fuckin' way they should be releasing information about Black Arrow due to an NDA. The onus is on you to request of them to post publicly the relationship you two have with one another, along with the status and why the delay of the chip. What I provided you has nothing to do with Verisilicon, and everything to do with who you've vetted as your resellers. You seriously don't have a clue as to how this revelation and your failure to act is going to put Black Arrow in a pickle due to cancellations of orders, do you? |
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February 12, 2014, 12:53:29 PM |
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Blackarrow can you post updates instead? For example; someone said tape-out is 20 february, does that mean you are delayed by a few more weeks? When exactly do you expact batch one to start shipping? No lies, tell it as it is.
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February 12, 2014, 01:17:05 PM |
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Blackarrow can you post updates instead? For example; someone said tape-out is 20 february, does that mean you are delayed by a few more weeks? When exactly do you expact batch one to start shipping? No lies, tell it as it is.
+1 tape-out is never |
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February 12, 2014, 01:47:07 PM |
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Just read your inbox Dear Andrey,
Due to the delayed delivery for the Batch 1 products (previously announced on 29th of January) we would like to offer to all our Batch 1 customers an improved compensation package:
25% of your purchased hashing power, free of charge, from our Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 6 months.
10% discount from for all Black Arrow ASIC products which you will purchase from us. The discount will be valid for any further purchases for the next 22 months (until the end of 2015).
We confirm that the tapeout of the chip is scheduled to take place on 20 February 2014 and we are confident that the Batch 1 products will start shipping on 30th of April 2014. The estimated dispatch window of the whole batch is expected to be between 7 to 9 working days.
We are looking forward to a long-term partnership with our customers. For any further enquiries don’t hesitate to contact our customer service.
Regards,
The Black Arrow Team.
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February 12, 2014, 02:14:15 PM |
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10% discount from for all Black Arrow ASIC products which you will purchase from us. The discount will be valid for any further purchases for the next 22 months (until the end of 2015).I don't know who would be crazy enough to buy between now and May, so more like ~19 month.  |
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February 12, 2014, 02:14:32 PM |
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The X1 & X3 are going to be fantastic. And that's just the beginning.
Which miner would you buy? A) $5/gh delivered next week B) $3/gh delivered in three months Wow, this thread is moving fast (and about 1% of posts are actually relevant) Anyway, Syke, I would love to know where you can buy $5/gh? AntMiners seem to be more like $24/gh which is pure garbage considering I can get $14/gh (@ $600/Bitcoin currently) at cex.io instantly hosted for me... Is there some miner I don't know about or some secret store, or are people just pulling numbers out of their ass (as usual)? |
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ChuckBuck
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February 12, 2014, 02:23:38 PM |
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The X1 & X3 are going to be fantastic. And that's just the beginning.
Which miner would you buy? A) $5/gh delivered next week B) $3/gh delivered in three months Wow, this thread is moving fast (and about 1% of posts are actually relevant) Anyway, Syke, I would love to know where you can buy $5/gh? AntMiners seem to be more like $24/gh which is pure garbage considering I can get $14/gh (@ $600/Bitcoin currently) at cex.io instantly hosted for me... Is there some miner I don't know about or some secret store, or are people just pulling numbers out of their ass (as usual)? Isn't Antminer 1.45 BTC? So $900/200GH = $4.5/GH Yea...stick to cex.io  |
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blackarrow (OP)
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February 12, 2014, 02:30:23 PM |
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Progress update - 12 Feb 2014 also posted on: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/progress-update-12-feb-2014.htmlhttp://ecointalk.net/topic/511-progress-update-12-feb-2014/Following customer feedback we will be posting regularly updates. 12 February 2014 1. Chip pinout complete. Received for review. We have confirmed to be ok. 2. Based on Verisilicon’s feedback we are upgrading the heatsink to the new specs 3. Improved X3 case to optimize functionality 4. Reduced the number of PCBs in X1 from 6 to 3 to improve reliability. 5. X1 hashboard has been reworked to support higher power consumption. We are now at version 3. Layout completed, starting rerouting tomorrow. 6. X3 hashboard has been redesigned due to case improvements. Completed schematics of the 3rd version of the board. Starting layout after routing of X1 board 7. Control board has been redesigned to use PCI connector instead of flat cable for improved reliability. Layout complete, rerouting tomorrow. 8. Aquired bespoke 3D printer. Initiated prototyping of new parts for improved functionality in X3. 9. Meeting with VeriSilicon 10. Tapeout reconfirmed on 20 Feb 2014 11. Package confirmed 12. Delivered all final details regarding case, heatsinks and fans, running final thermal simulation, due to be received at the end of this week |
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February 12, 2014, 02:35:00 PM |
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25% of your purchased hashing power, free of charge, from our Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 6 months.
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hmm.... I ordered 4 X-1, so I now get 25% of their hashpower, 100 GH/s, for free in the mining cloud for 6 month, or what does that mean? |
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February 12, 2014, 02:37:16 PM |
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As it seems that he is doing his best to mislead our customers by claiming that we're are not genuine, we have asked Phinnaeus Gage to contact VeriSilicon to confirm if we are doing the Bitcoin mining ASIC with them. He has refused twice. As he has posted more than 170 messages here (all deleted by us) and he is replying every few seconds shows that he has a lot of spare time and writing an email to VeriSilicon would not be a time issue for him. The refusal to check if we are legit leads us to suspect that he might have a hidden agenda. Please find below a snapshot which supports our comments: Re: Rolla, MO is a small town...
« Sent to: blackarrow on: Today at 11:12:41 AM »
Reply with quoteQuote ReplyReply Remove this messageDelete
Quote from: blackarrow on Today at 11:01:27 AM
In order to resume conversation with us, please paste the reply you've got from Verisilicon regarding our chip.
Regards!
Obviously, you have lost your fuckin' mind! I didn't contact Verisilicon because I believe there is no fuckin' way they should be releasing information about Black Arrow due to an NDA. The onus is on you to request of them to post publicly the relationship you two have with one another, along with the status and why the delay of the chip. What I provided you has nothing to do with Verisilicon, and everything to do with who you've vetted as your resellers. You seriously don't have a clue as to how this revelation and your failure to act is going to put Black Arrow in a pickle due to cancellations of orders, do you? Please PM me the information to do this, I will contact Verisilicon and confirm they are working on a product for you. I will then leave a write up of my experiences. I will need phone number and any information that is needed to verify your claims. Pls update your progress. |
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zurg
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February 12, 2014, 02:51:40 PM |
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Thank you for the update! Hope that becomes a regular thing now. |
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astronomino
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February 12, 2014, 02:53:19 PM |
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Where on earth are you getting that an Ant is $24 a GH/s?
It currently costs 1.45 Btc which at $650 per bitcoin is about $1000,
so 1000/180 = $5.55 GH/s
Speaking of off topic and completely FUD posts...
The $24 is for the 1.6gh version of the AntMiner (U1), since the 180gh (S1) version is/has been out of stock everywhere that sells it at 1.45 bitcoins. Again, I would love to know where to get it. And I don't think comparing BA's offering to competitors is off topic. If people claim their products are uncompetitive, I think that is a perfectly acceptable topic for discussion on this thread. |
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ChuckBuck
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February 12, 2014, 03:05:00 PM |
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Where on earth are you getting that an Ant is $24 a GH/s?
It currently costs 1.45 Btc which at $650 per bitcoin is about $1000,
so 1000/180 = $5.55 GH/s
Speaking of off topic and completely FUD posts...
The $24 is for the 1.6gh version of the AntMiner (U1), since the 180gh (S1) version is/has been out of stock everywhere that sells it at 1.45 bitcoins. Again, I would love to know where to get it. And I don't think comparing BA's offering to competitors is off topic. If people claim their products are uncompetitive, I think that is a perfectly acceptable topic for discussion on this thread. Look for Sushi or greaterninja under "Group Buy". Current batch sold out, should reopen in a few days. |
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February 12, 2014, 03:27:00 PM
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Bobsag, please confirm that the extra 2 months and 10% discount is also available for people who bought from MinerSource, thanks
Yup. I just got up (finally over being sick pretty much) and this will be going out in an email blast. Also if you need help/info for emailing Verisilicon, feel free to drop me a PM, I can get you info you probably need (All I did was send them an email stating who I was, and asking for confirmation of the existence of the contract between VS and BA). |
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February 12, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
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I have a batch 2 order, what is the expected delay on them ?
So the way I understand it is that if I haven't purchased mining power (rent-a-minion) in batch 1, I'll basically get a temporary 0.10 discount and a cold glass of water ? I'm not sure your customers will be lining up for that discount ... or maybe that is what your aim is.
Anybody who has purchased Prospero X-1 in non-indistrual quantities would barely be able to make a return to cover the hardware by the time he gets it. That much is obvious even in the pinkest of predictions.
X-3 would probably be able to pay itself out easily, unless the dif goes totally bananas..
And for those unfortunate souls like me with an X-3 from batch 2, there is no hope ;(
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