[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated]

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On the contrary I haven't defend Ken. I hold him accountable to every thing he says and everything he does. I have been looking at the facts and only the facts, you're letting your pride get ahead of you. You are so blinded by your pride you can't even fathom that you're wrong. I asks questions and look at every posts on this god damn thread, I take what everyone says at face value and look into it. I don't sit on my high horse and belittle people and try to scream scam every fucking day, every fucking hour, every fucking minute like you do. You should reread my post.

JoTheKhan:
I take no pride in knowing that Active Mining is either a scam or a lolworthy failure.  A reasonable child would come to the same conclusion.  I'd ask you to re-read my posts in this thread, but, like Labcoin, Ken "moderates" them.  Unlike Labcoin, Ken has also locked his unmoderated thread.  This exchange is, frankly, getting unproductive.  Once foul language and personal attacks start creeping into your posts, consider taking a break.

[JoTheKhan]

On the contrary I haven't defend Ken. I hold him accountable to every thing he says and everything he does. I have been looking at the facts and only the facts, you're letting your pride get ahead of you. You are so blinded by your pride you can't even fathom that you're wrong. I asks questions and look at every posts on this god damn thread, I take what everyone says at face value and look into it. I don't sit on my high horse and belittle people and try to scream scam every fucking day, every fucking hour, every fucking minute like you do. You should reread my post.

JoTheKhan:
I take no pride in knowing that Active Mining is either a scam or a lolworthy failure.  A reasonable child would come to the same conclusion.  I'd ask you to re-read my posts in this thread, but, like Labcoin, Ken "moderates" them.  Unlike Labcoin, Ken has also locked his unmoderated thread.  This exchange is, frankly, getting unproductive.  Once foul language and personal attacks start creeping into your posts, consider taking a break.

Don't worry I have read all of your posts. I can assure there was nothing substantial in any of them. The problem with having a conversation with you is that the conversation will undoubtedly have no substance as you can provide no counter arguments that contains evidence. This will almost always lead to Ad hominem attacks and insults about you and your character. I apologize I didn't mean to make any insults towards you and I apologize again for the adult language that I used.

You are playing the God's Argument. You claim scam but then when asked to provide evidence you claim. "There is no evidence it is not a scam." Until this changes I think you will only be met with Ad Hominem attacks.

PS: Look at what I have bolded in your quote. "lolworthy", you think of this as some sort of game, a game that you intend to win. You think of us as pieces on a board that you plan to move, you are playing a game and your pride is at stake. You pride yourself on something that has to do with this thread, unfortunately you are losing the game.

PS Again: Look at the second line that I have bolded. This is very productive, we have proved (With out a doubt I may add) that the main person against ActiveMining on this thread has NO proof. Seems like a very productive hour of my time compared to the weeks and weeks of time you spent on this forum posting artwork.

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On the contrary I haven't defend Ken. I hold him accountable to every thing he says and everything he does. I have been looking at the facts and only the facts, you're letting your pride get ahead of you. You are so blinded by your pride you can't even fathom that you're wrong. I asks questions and look at every posts on this god damn thread, I take what everyone says at face value and look into it. I don't sit on my high horse and belittle people and try to scream scam every fucking day, every fucking hour, every fucking minute like you do. You should reread my post.

JoTheKhan:
I take no pride in knowing that Active Mining is either a scam or a lolworthy failure.  A reasonable child would come to the same conclusion.  I'd ask you to re-read my posts in this thread, but, like Labcoin, Ken "moderates" them.  Unlike Labcoin, Ken has also locked his unmoderated thread.  This exchange is, frankly, getting unproductive.  Once foul language and personal attacks start creeping into your posts, consider taking a break.

Don't worry I have read all of your posts. I can assure there was nothing substantial in any of them. The problem with having a conversation with you is that the conversation will undoubtedly have no substance as you can provide no counter arguments that contains evidence. This will almost always lead to Ad hominem attacks and insults about you and your character. I apologize I didn't mean to make any insults towards you and I apologize again for the adult language that I used.

You are playing the God's Argument. You claim scam but then when asked to provide evidence you claim. "There is no evidence it is not a scam." Until this changes I think you will only be met with Ad Hominem attacks.

PS: Look at what I have bolded in your quote. "lolworthy", you think of this as some sort of game, a game that you intend to win. You think of us as pieces on a board that you plan to move, you are playing a game and your pride is at stake. You pride yourself on something that has to do with this thread, unfortunately you are losing the game.

PS Again: Look at the second line that I have bolded. This is very productive, we have proved (With out a doubt I may add) that the main person against ActiveMining on this thread has NO proof. Seems like a very productive hour of my time compared to the weeks and weeks of time you spent on this forum posting artwork.

JowTheKahn:
Please re-read my posts that have not been deleted.  Each time i say that Active Mining is "scam/failed mining company" or "Active Mining is either a scam or a lolworthy failure," you seem to ignore the failure part and ask me to prove scam.  If you sincerely missed that, i'm pointing it out now.

Further, if a scam could be proven, it would be proven to be more than a scam -- it would be proven a failed scam.  That's an important point to keep in mind.

I have provided you with plenty of evidence of Active Mining being a failure -- every deadline blown, every promise broken.  You chose to ignore these facts.  That's fine, but don't assume that everyone else is also blind to them.

[JoTheKhan]

Every promise blown?

His most recent promise. Weekly updates seems to be on time every Wednesday, Hell the first one was on a Tuesday.

He made a promise about meeting with eAsic back in August, what? That seemed to be right too? No way!

He made a promise about paying the NRE weeks ago, (he made this promise back in August about paying in August if I remember correctly.) WHAT!?!? You mean he kept this promise too? Good God..

Then he promised us he would migrate the shares from BTCT to Bitfunder. I think this one happened too my friend.

He promised that he would start shipping in November. And he claimed that he had done so!! WHAT!?!?! NO FUCKING WAY. (Now this one is up for grabs but even if he shipped rom VMC to AcTM he still kept his promise as AcTM would be first in the queue. Amiright? (Did I do the internet slang right there?)

He promised us reports on the 15th and the 30th of November and I think I was there for both of those.

Wow. Are you telling me he has been keeping the promises he can as best he can? I am fucking amazed right now.

PS: Apologies for the adult language Crumbs.

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crumbs,

You have posted cartoons in another thread which come from Der Sturmer.

You seem to go from one thread to another, trying to pick fights. You have found fertile ground here, but that does not mean you are not a skilled and accomplished troll whose only goal is to see whom you can upset.

Yes, knybe is wrong, you are not psychotic at all, just an evil fellow who likes bullying others.

After the noob who buys my shares thanks me because he was able to make profit from dividends as provided by Uncle Ken, I will tell him that he was foolish and should have listened to you, the Goebbels of BitCoinTalk.
...

Lorenzo:
You have stopped making sense altogether.  Stick to short, terse sentences to avoid forgetting what you set out to say and finishing with a non sequitur.
*Full disclosure:  I am not Goebbels nor am i, or have i ever been, a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Lorenzo:
The cartoon was posted in reply to a poster raging against the evils of Israel and, by extension, Jews.  You do not know me, stop trying to paint me as a Nazi.

[zumzero]

Please reread.  The fact that each promise and every verifiable deadline were blown is as much proof of failure as any reasonable person can expect.  If you find that insufficient, please give me your definition of failure.
I'm sure you'll continue defending Ken long after others have accepted their losses and moved on.  I do not aim to convert every zealot.
Enjoy your "investment."

Here's something a whole lot closer to the truth which relies on fact and not disinformation.  

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 31st October      - Ken posts on this date to say that he would postpone until 15th November due to working on the Klondikes and other resources.

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 15th November   - Deadline met.

Progress Report Deadline: 30th November                    - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 11th December                      - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 18th December                      - Deadline met.

Yes, I'm back and apologise to anyone I may have offended in the past, outside the troll brigade.  I have tried to sit back, and have done quite well, however it pains me to see disinformation go unchecked when it's my grandchildren's inheritance at stake.  

[tom.hashemi]

Please reread.  The fact that each promise and every verifiable deadline were blown is as much proof of failure as any reasonable person can expect.  If you find that insufficient, please give me your definition of failure.
I'm sure you'll continue defending Ken long after others have accepted their losses and moved on.  I do not aim to convert every zealot.
Enjoy your "investment."

Here's something a whole lot closer to the truth which relies on fact and not disinformation.  

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 31st October      - Ken posts on this date to say that he would postpone until 15th November due to working on the Klondikes and other resources.

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 15th November   - Deadline met.

Progress Report Deadline: 30th November                    - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 11th December                      - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 18th December                      - Deadline met.

Yes, I'm back and apologise to anyone I may have offended in the past, outside the troll brigade.  I have tried to sit back, and have done quite well, however it pains me to see disinformation go unchecked when it's my grandchildren's inheritance at stake.  

+1 Good point to make.

[VolanicEruptor]

Amazing.  Crumbs has actually caused a quiet investor to emerge once again from the dark.  Thank you for the positive contribution, crumbs. 

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Every promise blown?

His most recent promise. Weekly updates seems to be on time every Wednesday, Hell the first one was on a Tuesday.

He made a promise about meeting with eAsic back in August, what? That seemed to be right too? No way!

He made a promise about paying the NRE weeks ago, (he made this promise back in August about paying in August if I remember correctly.) WHAT!?!? You mean he kept this promise too? Good God..

Then he promised us he would migrate the shares from BTCT to Bitfunder. I think this one happened too my friend.

He promised that he would start shipping in November. And he claimed that he had done so!! WHAT!?!?! NO FUCKING WAY. (Now this one is up for grabs but even if he shipped rom VMC to AcTM he still kept his promise as AcTM would be first in the queue. Amiright? (Did I do the internet slang right there?)

He promised us reports on the 15th and the 30th of November and I think I was there for both of those.

Wow. Are you telling me he has been keeping the promises he can as best he can? I am fucking amazed right now.

PS: Apologies for the adult language Crumbs.

This is getting ridiculous.  I'm not talking about a promise to make updates on Wednesdays, and instantly blowing it by making the first on Tuesday, and then posting another substanceless on time.  I'm talking about hashrate projections -- blown.  I'm talking about chip timeline -- blown.  I'm talking about not a single pic since the summer, other than the one where the other Active Mining director was tied up in the trunk of some Dodge in what was supposed to be Ken's production facilities.
Not his claim of "shipping product" without any confirmations or pics, or even making it clear exactly what the product was supposed to be.
This is simply absurd -- you're either trolling or jonesing to unload your bag.

P.S:  If adult language makes you feel more grownup, i understand.  No need to apologize in every post.

[JoTheKhan]

Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

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Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now.  Read your prospectus.
Sample chips?  ORLY?  Show me some pics.  Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced " this.  There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month.  Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next.  No product after all this time.  Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

*Posting lists of obsurdities like "once Ken has promised to post on Wednesday and zOMG look -- he did!" is a bit desperate even for this thread.

[JoTheKhan]

Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now.  Read your prospectus.
Sample chips?  ORLY?  Show me some pics.  Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced " this.  There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month.  Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next.  No product after all this time.  Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

Gah crumbs I'm done. You don't take evidence towards the company heading upwards, but your imagination seems to fuel your belief that it will fail.

BTW there is no promise about anything you've stated in the prospectus or any of Ken's announcements. You're wrong, but I am tired of proving that you are wrong over and over again. I would start to meet the definition of insane soon.

[knybe]

If a troll falls in the ignore forest… does anyone hear it?

[zumzero]

Crumbs is referring to Vbs's spreadsheet with projected hash rates which referenced Avalon hardware we never received and it's a tenuous link given that Vbs was outside the company when it was first published.

At no stage has Ken ever promised to achieve the figures that Vbs stated, so again, crumbs's argument falls flat on it's lolzy face.  Vbs is not Ken and this demonstrates how the trolls are clutching at straws.

Let's see if crumbs admits defeat here, or if he will retort in his sure-fire way and focus his hate campaign on the PR disaster that was the Advisory Board which included the sorely missed Vbs.

[Stuartuk]

If you look at the original timelines as set out by Ken (based on eASIC quotes) we are well within the margin of error. Yes Ken has said the full chip run will be a bit late, at the moment this looks like a delay of around 4 weeks? How late were BFL shipping? 4 months? A bit more? 

Considering this is a new technology in a new industry commissioned by a new company I think we are doing pretty bloody well compared to much of the opposition.

[VolanicEruptor]

If you look at the original timelines as set out by Ken (based on eASIC quotes) we are well within the margin of error. Yes Ken has said the full chip run will be a bit late, at the moment this looks like a delay of around 4 weeks? How late were BFL shipping? 4 months? A bit more? 

Considering this is a new technology in a new industry commissioned by a new company I think we are doing pretty bloody well compared to much of the opposition.

+1

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...Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now.  Read your prospectus.
Sample chips?  ORLY?  Show me some pics.  Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced " this.  There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month.  Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next.  No product after all this time.  Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

Gah crumbs I'm done. You don't take evidence towards the company heading upwards, but your imagination seems to fuel your belief that it will fail.

BTW there is no promise about anything you've stated in the prospectus or any of Ken's announcements. You're wrong, but I am tired of proving that you are wrong over and over again. I would start to meet the definition of insane soon.

Lol, just went to the first post in this thread, what passes for prospectus around here.  And... the post was *edited* on Nov. 11  The next one, where he makes more promises -- edited on Nov. 28.  No wonder you can't find his promises, JoTheKahn.
But hey, you can still go to his website to find the November shipping promise  Lol, disregard!  It's been edited piecemeal again, with some pages claiming:

...while others

...while others

clicking on the first "miner" in the index slideshow box just gives


Ya gotta hold on 2 ur dreamz!!

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Crumbs is referring to Vbs's spreadsheet with projected hash rates which referenced Avalon hardware we never received and it's a tenuous link given that Vbs was outside the company when it was first published.

At no stage has Ken ever promised to achieve the figures that Vbs stated, so again, crumbs's argument falls flat on it's lolzy face.  Vbs is not Ken and this demonstrates how the trolls are clutching at straws.

Let's see if crumbs admits defeat here, or if he will retort in his sure-fire way and focus his hate campaign on the PR disaster that was the Advisory Board which included the sorely missed Vbs.

Lol, welcome back, zumzero, i see you just couldn't stay away

I haven't even bothered looking at Vbs' spreadsheet.  The promised hashrate was in the original prospectus, which has been last edited on the November 11, and the consecutive "FAQ" post, last edited on November 28 (hover the mouse over the post date to see last edit date)

"History is written by those who revise it" -- lul ME.

[zumzero]

Lol, welcome back, zumzero, i see you just couldn't stay away

Thanks!  It's great to be back.  

Forgive me but I'm not understanding the significance of not being allowed to edit posts on this thread's first page.  Is it not useful to update these posts with information as it happens?  I'd go as far to say that adding info such as sales figures is a good thing, no?



Might I suggest a higher angle shot next time as it is simply more flattering?

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Actually, Ken does not moderate this thread. There are two people who are associated with the site and have no connection to ActM who moderate it.
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