drewage
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November 24, 2013, 10:03:46 PM |
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Guys c'mon, I thought we we're above comparing prices/performance for Ready to Ship products, against potential vapourware items The main reason WHY you can get it for less is because you'll get it later, When it will be worth less ~= same price but there is no "proper" math for this equation Get 5gh/s now, or 7gh/s in "2-3 weeks" for the same price, Take your pick.... *eyeroll*
Yup, huge difference between throwing money at a pre-order versus paying for a ready-to-ship product that you can guarantee won't ROI. Huge difference. Yeah, it's funny and then you have the potential resellers who are screaming that the guy is gouging buyers, which may be true, partly because they can't buy the sticks and resell them themselves because the price is too high. The only game right now if you're trying to make money on BTC is to buy and hold or arbitrage. There's just too much demand for mining equipment right now.
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November 24, 2013, 10:17:56 PM |
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Guys c'mon, I thought we we're above comparing prices/performance for Ready to Ship products, against potential vapourware items The main reason WHY you can get it for less is because you'll get it later, When it will be worth less ~= same price but there is no "proper" math for this equation Get 5gh/s now, or 7gh/s in "2-3 weeks" for the same price, Take your pick.... *eyeroll*
Yup, huge difference between throwing money at a pre-order versus paying for a ready-to-ship product that you can guarantee won't ROI. Huge difference. Yeah, it's funny and then you have the potential resellers who are screaming that the guy is gouging buyers, which may be true, partly because they can't buy the sticks and resell them themselves because the price is too high. The only game right now if you're trying to make money on BTC is to buy and hold or arbitrage. There's just too much demand for mining equipment right now. Ehh, not really. Yes there are folks on here who are hot to resell. Personally, I like low power, easy-to-use solutions. BFL mini single has been great for that, AM sticks as well. I still have >20 of those running simply because I have a home server on all the time anyway so the extra power draw is negligible. I think a lot of people want reasonably priced equipment that is plug-n-play, which is why any time people start talking about USBs it brings on equal parts excitement and hesitation because it fills the easy-to-use checkbox but people worry about AM-style pricing, aka slightly higher than expected ROI but close enough it and with low enough power draw that it can be worthwhile. Agreed on buying and arbitrage though, that has made us more in the last few weeks than any mining equipment we still own. Unfortunately though we're playing the dance of not bringing the USD back out of the system because Capital One shut down the account we had used for eBay, Amazon, etc., out of the blue without a reason why, so until we have more favorable information that a bank won't screw with our account because we're touching BTC we aren't pulling cash out of the system yet. But in looking at some of the TH offerings out there, we're looking past what is reasonable for the community/hobbyist to run without custom electrical lines being run. If the community is going to remain part of mining there needs to be easy-to-use, low powered options that may not be bringing in tons of BTC but provide a reasonable return. If within the [ROI > price > cost to manufacture] pricing structure, people can make a killing. Unfortunately things like this where the price jumps from 178 euro to .55BTC just end up pissing people off. As cool as the tech might be I personally won't take a huge loss to buy something "nifty".
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nexus99
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November 24, 2013, 11:57:38 PM |
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These things are 400+ dollars. Insane!
Chili's that push 35 GH/S were going for ~1 BTC.
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klintay
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November 25, 2013, 07:04:41 AM Last edit: November 25, 2013, 12:09:12 PM by klintay |
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Felipeo (OP)
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November 25, 2013, 06:46:42 PM Last edit: November 26, 2013, 09:35:45 AM by Felipeo |
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I wouldn't buy from this guy for a number of reasons.
1. OP communication is poor...he doesn't bother to answer questions here 2. 0.55 btc = 400+ usd - that is a price for the ebay not for the community on here 3. I can buy 2 blue/red furies for $300 usd. 4. He changes the prices as he likes 5. Bitfury chips cost $19 usd each.
I personally do hope he lowers the price significantly after taking profit at current levels
You can buy 5 Technobit NanoFuries from Technobit for the same price, not 2. http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=51&controller=product&id_lang=1I'm sorry but we are very busy last time making our service more available for our customer. ad 1. Can you post or quote your question that was not answered? I will be happy to send you answer ASAP. ad 2. Price was lowered. ad 3. Please do this, and don't bother your self. ad 4. We change prices according to many factors, like difficulty, other vendors prices and BTC price. ad 5. Please PM me I will buy them from you. And Yes, you can buy some preorders... But if you want more powerful hardware that will be send to you today... Check our store for new prices and bundle packs !
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pajak666
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November 26, 2013, 10:47:29 AM |
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old out of stock preorder...
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Epinnoia
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November 26, 2013, 10:24:56 PM Last edit: November 26, 2013, 10:49:32 PM by Epinnoia |
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Don't confuse these bi-furies with bi-furies that can ONLY mine BTC. There are at least a half-dozen quite popular SHA256 coins at the moment, and another half-dozen that look like they're sticking around.
Assumptions that you won't get your money back on these are based entirely around BTC mining -- a faulty assumption to be sure.
How much would this miner have generated in the initial days of BTC vs. now?
I'm not saying it's worth $400. It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it -- just like the coins.
The power output of a USB 2.0 port is 2.5watts. USB 3.0 ups that to like 4 watts, as I remember. I don't think this thing will get 5ghps with only 2.5 watts -- although that would be amazing. Much more likely it needs the full 4 watts that 3.0 specs provide. Even so, @ 4 watts and 5ghps, that's better than the 1ghps/watt level, so it should come with a premium price. It will be profitable longer. That ghps/watt ratio is all-important in judging useful lifetime. If you aren't getting at least 1ghps per watt from your equipment today, you probably should do your best to offload it to e-bay.
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cimpex
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November 26, 2013, 11:23:55 PM |
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Cant order, I always get "Błędny sposób wysyłki." (shipping to Austria). Your shop is working now or not?
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Dirtyissa
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November 26, 2013, 11:35:23 PM |
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Iam from germany i extra drove over to poland and NOK the door and ASK for One i think These Guys have many to do.!!
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Swimmer63
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November 27, 2013, 02:48:12 AM |
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As long as peercoin stays more profitable than BTC you are golden.
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hiddenvalleyranch
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November 27, 2013, 06:22:25 AM |
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Any better place to buy these? Seems damn expensive.
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Jeffrey
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November 27, 2013, 09:42:32 AM |
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Any better place to buy these? Seems damn expensive.
There's a groupbuy going on, but it's hardly cheaper than these prices.
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Dirtyissa
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November 27, 2013, 12:07:25 PM |
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But i Payed 180€ in Hand.+ 20€ i buyed a Hub???
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Felipeo (OP)
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November 27, 2013, 12:34:33 PM |
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Cant order, I always get "Błędny sposób wysyłki." (shipping to Austria). Your shop is working now or not?
This issue was fixed.
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FlensGold
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November 27, 2013, 01:03:43 PM |
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Yesterday I received my Bi Fury Miner, which I ordered last Friday, so delivery to Germany was quite fast.
I would recommend that you ship those miners in anti static bags instead of bubble plastic package material. Those bags cost less than 0,1 Euro and a miner for more than 300 Euro should be worth that.
Another point is that an invoice would be good (and is necessary by law) so I would appreciate if you could provide it.
I did not have the time to test the miner itself, I am planning to do this today. Kind regards
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Dirtyissa
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November 27, 2013, 01:07:20 PM |
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Flens wenn du Probleme hast kann ich die paar tips geben Kämpfe schon seit Freitag mit dem Gerät aber mit der aktuellen 3.8.3 Cgminer funktioniert sie prima. Aber beipack Zettel oder Support sieht mager aus.
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TomHirsch
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November 27, 2013, 03:23:20 PM |
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Another point is that an invoice would be good (and is necessary by law) F-ing Germans. Nobody has time to set-up a fully legal operation - bitcoin is moving too fast to worry about details.
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Dirtyissa
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November 27, 2013, 03:29:45 PM |
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Yay do you have a pen in Ur Butt?
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