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June 11, 2017, 05:34:01 AM
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@MinerHQ, other questions?
Basically, above post didn't answer my questions. You just asking users to believe you guys and buy the tickets. There is no such thing that we can verify what you guys are doing fair or not. Every individual will vouch for themselves saying that they are good. But there should be a system to prove that they are doing good.

So you assume that every user will vouch for themselves, saying they're not cheating. And that FreeBitco.in should have a system to prove that they're not lying?

I think you're losing the audience a bit with this last comment.

Anyway, you requested a response and we gave you one. We offered you the truth, sometimes the truth hurts.

To everyone else...if you can think of a way to make the lottery ticket acquisition process provably fair, we're open to suggestions.

Cheers, friends.

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June 11, 2017, 05:40:55 AM
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Basically, above post didn't answer my questions. You just asking users to believe you guys and buy the tickets. There is no such thing that we can verify what you guys are doing fair or not. Every individual will vouch for themselves saying that they are good. But there should be a system to prove that they are doing good.

So you assume that every user will vouch for themselves, saying they're not cheating. And that FreeBitco.in should have a system to prove that they're not lying?

I think you're losing the audience a bit with this last comment.

Anyway, you requested a response and we gave you one. We offered you the truth, sometimes the truth hurts.

To everyone else...if you can think of a way to make the lottery ticket acquisition process provably fair, we're open to suggestions.

Cheers, friends.

I have a question with related to the topic you are discussing with the guy you quoted.

Why those 105 users that win the first prize didn't bother to share their experience in winning the freebitco lottery here in bitcointalk forum? It's hard to believe that all of them doesn't have a forum account here. It's possible that they don't have an account here but chances are low. Low chances also that those 105 users are not active anymore in your site. And no tx id are being provided. And later there will be the 106th winner.

I understand other thoughts about the lottery. If you can't give at least bright proof there how can we trust your wallet feature? Please don't treat this as criticism as Im just asking a question. Everyone needs an answer.


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June 11, 2017, 06:35:06 AM
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.

I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.

Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

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June 11, 2017, 06:54:31 AM
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I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.
How about providing blockchain transaction links in the "previous round winners" list for starters?
Not as much verifiable as most people would want but it gives at least some transparency, right?
There is a case where people don't withdraw, it makes sense now with 4% annually, than disclose users ID number
and place a token stating about bitcoins being saved on account. 
 

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June 11, 2017, 06:59:15 AM
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I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.
How about providing blockchain transaction links in the "previous round winners" list for starters?
Not as much verifiable as most people would want but it gives at least some transparency, right?
 

Not everyone withdraws immediately and ignoring privacy issues posting a blockchain transaction wouldn't really be proof of anything. I could just send bitcoins to my own addresses and claim that those are payments for winners.

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June 11, 2017, 07:09:57 AM
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.

I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.

Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

You can design a system something like this:
Let's say, Person A bought 5,000 tickets, Person B bought 9,000 tickets, Person C bought 50,000 and Person D bought 1,17,000 tickets

User A : 5,000 tickets
User B : 9,000 tickets
User C : 50,000 tickets
User D : 1,17,000 tickets

Combined, total tickets : 1,81,000
Generate a random number between 0 and 1,81,000

Set a windows like below :

0-5,000--- User A wins
5,000-14,000--- User B wins
9,000-64,000--- User C wins
64,000-1,81,000 ---User D wins // User D with most tickets has the largest window
...

After an iteration, get the user ID who won, out of the system and run it again for second place and so on until you get your 10 winners.

Good Luck!!

Edit: I believe generating a provably fair random number wouldn't be an issue.

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June 11, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
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Another BTC lottery site claims they are provably fair: http://lotterybits.com/provablyfair.php  I'm not into programming or maths, so I'm not sure.
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If there is one player registered for a game, then he will be the winner.
If there is more than one player registered for a game, then we use the seed value for the game and game ID to determine the winner.
Each game has a seed (example: 3541e9631f7ea07abebe2de40c0f3db931c66fe7124e65ae767746112a0fade9) and game ID.
The hash of the seed for each game is shown on the website so that users can verify that the seed used to calculate the winner is the same we declared before game.
We use cryptographic function to get a number between 0 and 1000000 from the seed and game ID.
Then we take the mod of the selected number by the number of players to get the player ID of the winner.

Example: if the number is 5783 and the number of registered users are 10, then 5783 mod 10 = 3 so the winner is user 4.
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June 11, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
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Another BTC lottery site claims they are provably fair: http://lotterybits.com/provablyfair.php  I'm not into programming or maths, so I'm not sure.
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If there is one player registered for a game, then he will be the winner.
If there is more than one player registered for a game, then we use the seed value for the game and game ID to determine the winner.
Each game has a seed (example: 3541e9631f7ea07abebe2de40c0f3db931c66fe7124e65ae767746112a0fade9) and game ID.
The hash of the seed for each game is shown on the website so that users can verify that the seed used to calculate the winner is the same we declared before game.
We use cryptographic function to get a number between 0 and 1000000 from the seed and game ID.
Then we take the mod of the selected number by the number of players to get the player ID of the winner.

Example: if the number is 5783 and the number of registered users are 10, then 5783 mod 10 = 3 so the winner is user 4.

I think the only way to know and be sure is when a casino website builds up s good reputation for itself. Then players are more likely to play there even if the games are simple. Trust is key to all business.

Remember even if s game is fair they still might not payout. Don't forget the human aspect.

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June 11, 2017, 09:17:49 PM
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.

I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.

Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

As for the reference to the above post before that post of yours, I understand that it's really a fair draw as you guys are always stated. As from what I understand to the concerned of that post, the point is, there are already lots of winners for a total of 106 in each tier. If there is 10 tier then a total now would be 1,060 users. To 106 winners of 1st prize none of them didn't have a chance to show proofs here in bitcointalk that they already won. For 106 second prize winners too and so on. For the total winners only I think less than 10 show proofs they won the lottery and that is on smaller tier or correct me if Im mistaken here. Questions like that will really raised here.

Freebitco doesn't have to do if majority of those 1,060 winners doesn't want to give proof but isn't it nice if they will somehow show proofs as it will give Freebitco gained more trust to users especially right now that they are adding good features in their site?





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June 11, 2017, 09:56:37 PM
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.

I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.

Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

As for the reference to the above post before that post of yours, I understand that it's really a fair draw as you guys are always stated. As from what I understand to the concerned of that post, the point is, there are already lots of winners for a total of 106 in each tier. If there is 10 tier then a total now would be 1,060 users. To 106 winners of 1st prize none of them didn't have a chance to show proofs here in bitcointalk that they already won. For 106 second prize winners too and so on. For the total winners only I think less than 10 show proofs they won the lottery and that is on smaller tier or correct me if Im mistaken here. Questions like that will really raised here.

Freebitco doesn't have to do if majority of those 1,060 winners doesn't want to give proof but isn't it nice if they will somehow show proofs as it will give Freebitco gained more trust to users especially right now that they are adding good features in their site?
Doesn't make sense that such vast number of people could settle to not celebrate their windfall. If one may ask, since when does winning a lottery became something to be shy of? I think the onus rests with Wetsuit to tell all of us here, we are bunch of unlucky folks, Grin that is why no regular person here - Bitcointalk, have ever won.

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June 11, 2017, 10:02:18 PM
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol.

Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. Smiley

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June 12, 2017, 01:40:10 AM
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol.

Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. Smiley

If an admin wants to encourage those winners then should offer them some extra tips for posting proof on that thread then surely all the winners will post their winnings. All issues will have solutions just need to find them. Just offer small extra amount then everyone will rush to post their proofs.

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June 12, 2017, 08:57:18 AM
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Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

Temporarily ?

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June 12, 2017, 10:35:46 AM
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Freebitco.in is te best faucet. But their hi-lo game system is too bad for the high (5%) house edge. As they says it's a bitcoin faucet but their most income comes from gambling.
I have lost my affordable btc here. I'm not reporting about their gambling. I just share my opinion here. I will suggest don't play multiply game here. I will not play any roll on this faucet anymore. Because I think there is not any chance to won big prizes.After playing 5400+ hourly roll I never won 2$,20$,200$ prizes.
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I'm sorry for your loss but you should have known that people lose big money to dice sites even with lower house edge.

What looks strange to me is that you've never won $2 although you've played 5400+ free rolls there, because even though my FREE ROLLS PLAYED is 1,005, I've won $2 once.

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June 12, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
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If an admin wants to encourage those winners then should offer them some extra tips for posting proof on that thread then surely all the winners will post their winnings. All issues will have solutions just need to find them. Just offer small extra amount then everyone will rush to post their proofs.

FreeBitco.in does offer a reward/bonuse for posting proof of the big wins - as long as you have a screenshot. The OP to that thread (which is still very active) requests $200 and $20 winners to announce their good fortune. To be fair, it doesn't ask lottery winners to come forward, but lottery winners could if they wanted to.

Doesn't make sense that such vast number of people could settle to not celebrate their windfall. If one may ask, since when does winning a lottery became something to be shy of? I think the onus rests with Wetsuit to tell all of us here, we are bunch of unlucky folks, Grin that is why no regular person here - Bitcointalk, have ever won.

I realize that this forum is a center of activity and discussion for anyone and anything bitcoin related. But that doesn't mean that everyone and everything bitcoin related is here. There's actually a very small community cruising these boards regularly.

If you broke down the math of how many members are actively on this forum out of how many people use bitcoin I suspect the % would be quite low.


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June 12, 2017, 01:16:18 PM
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.

I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.

Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.

You can design a system something like this:
Let's say, Person A bought 5,000 tickets, Person B bought 9,000 tickets, Person C bought 50,000 and Person D bought 1,17,000 tickets

User A : 5,000 tickets
User B : 9,000 tickets
User C : 50,000 tickets
User D : 1,17,000 tickets

Combined, total tickets : 1,81,000
Generate a random number between 0 and 1,81,000

Set a windows like below :

0-5,000--- User A wins
5,000-14,000--- User B wins
9,000-64,000--- User C wins
64,000-1,81,000 ---User D wins // User D with most tickets has the largest window
...

After an iteration, get the user ID who won, out of the system and run it again for second place and so on until you get your 10 winners.

Good Luck!!

Edit: I believe generating a provably fair random number wouldn't be an issue.


how can this method be applied on here when people are getting it from gambling? This is free tickets that they get from wagering a lot of coin. I think there is only less people that really want to buy this tickets

More over, if you are setting that kind of windows, how are you going to divide tons of address out there? And we do not even know if all of that address is real person, how can they even get 1 mil tickets in a week?

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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol.

Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. Smiley

Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. Wink


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June 12, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol.

Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. Smiley

Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. Wink




yeah that could be possible, but if they are btc fans, sooner or later they will find this forum, beacause that was how i started, in frebitco.in, and pretty sure that all the winners if there are any out there, have some time around btc world, so they should have found this site. it is what i think

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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol.
Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. Smiley
Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. Wink

I don't agree. They not encounter bitcointalk.org while they are in bitcoin world even for a long time? Ok let's say yes but can we say that all of the winners don't know bitcointalk exist? That is thousand winners and currently 106 first prize winners based on the computation by one of the user here and not even one of them claim they won the first prize?

Ok stick to that kind of belief.

yeah that could be possible, but if they are btc fans, sooner or later they will find this forum, beacause that was how i started, in frebitco.in, and pretty sure that all the winners if there are any out there, have some time around btc world, so they should have found this site. it is what i think

Exactly and likely I will agree. Anyways we don't have anything to do here since admin itself doesn't have a strong stand to that issue.

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Some of you may notice that you do not need to solve a captcha for the free play game anymore. Its something that I have been working on and may be able to roll out to a larger number of users soon.

I also have some stuff planned to enable users to increase their base rewards since they have gone down a lot off late due to the rising bitcoin price.

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