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Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.

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[Bitinity]

Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.

Sure, smart people will wait till wetsuit implement a fair system for the lottery. Otherwise people will just burn their money to buy tickets for a lottery where they cant verify the draw. Once wetsuit has a better system, more people will join in the lottery.

[klf]

Looking at the high number of registered users in the lottery, the chances to win twice or more in a lottery by the same person is actually very low, I know it is not impossible for that to happen, but I just don't feel convinced by the publish result, I am hoping to see a more transparent system on this lottery draw before I would spend my bitcoins into buying more lottery tickets.

Sure, smart people will wait till wetsuit implement a fair system for the lottery. Otherwise people will just burn their money to buy tickets for a lottery where they cant verify the draw. Once wetsuit has a better system, more people will join in the lottery.

It was a known issue for quite long time that this lottery system is rigged (we can say until wetsuit prove that it is wrong) but still every week people are buying the lottery and making wetsuit rich. If wetsuit thinks that he got a difficult to implement fair system then with immediate effect should stop this lottery system until it is fixed.

If there are no technical difficulties, I'll have the provably fair system for the lottery implemented by round 110.

wetsuit please stop this lottery system after this round if you can't make your system fair. I expect this to happen if you're an honest person. I will happily buy more tickets if you come up with a fair system. If not, you're cheating every week all your members just by giving technical difficulty reason.

[Zhor]

all this talk about the unfair lottery... Wetsuit is trying to make this lottery provably fair. The fact that he is trying to implement this makes it very plausible that the lottery until now was fair, but just unable to prove its fairness.

to show my support in the system i went ahead and bought a million tickets. Let's hope for my ~5% chance.
http://puu.sh/wtRjs/13b2e8582a.png

Also, as a sidenode, this catapulted my bonus to the max:
http://puu.sh/wtRpV/99cccfe0ac.png

[Myfe]

IF those winners are REAL and not from the dev right? the dev could easily made few accounts and fake the number of lottery tickets, show the people that there are accounts that are spending BTC just to buy some and finally the dev will win all the lottery prize spots

With respect for you as a member of this forum and user of FreeBitco.in, this doesn't make sense.

You're accusing devs of this site of theft, right? That's totally unfair. But let's think about the logic in that. If a dev wanted to steal, why would they go through the public display of buying lottery tickets to falsely justify earning the lottery?

[Kprawn]

I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They

tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these

users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active,

they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play } 

[pepi]

all this talk about the unfair lottery... Wetsuit is trying to make this lottery provably fair. The fact that he is trying to implement this makes it very plausible that the lottery until now was fair, but just unable to prove its fairness.

to show my support in the system i went ahead and bought a million tickets. Let's hope for my ~5% chance.


Also, as a sidenode, this catapulted my bonus to the max:

Just one with 1M tickets
5
4361133
0.17267040 BTC
1,042,743

Are you that lucky person?

[Zhor]

all this talk about the unfair lottery... Wetsuit is trying to make this lottery provably fair. The fact that he is trying to implement this makes it very plausible that the lottery until now was fair, but just unable to prove its fairness.

to show my support in the system i went ahead and bought a million tickets. Let's hope for my ~5% chance.
http://puu.sh/wtRjs/13b2e8582a.png

Also, as a sidenode, this catapulted my bonus to the max:
http://puu.sh/wtRpV/99cccfe0ac.png

Just one with 1M tickets
5
4361133
0.17267040 BTC
1,042,743

Are you that lucky person?

nope, thats not me. i also had over 1.1 mil tickets, this guy has just 1.05

[Betwrong]

I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active, they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play } 

Exactly. And for those who say that there is 5,348,264 registered users and it is impossible that some users have won 2 or 4 times I want to say NO, it is not impossible considering the number of tickets those users buy. I, for one, disabled my lottery to receive reward points instead of lottery tickets so it is no wonder that I never win in the lottery. Many others, even if they haven't disabled the lottery, never buy additional tickets, so those who buy hundreds of thousands or even millions of tickets increase their chances to win by thousands times and no wonder that they win more frequently then others.

That said, I'm not encouraging anyone to buy more lottery tickets in order to have more chances to win. Kprawn said it right: they might have lost more than what they have won, we don't know about that.

[pepi]

I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active, they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play } 

Exactly. And for those who say that there is 5,348,264 registered users and it is impossible that some users have won 2 or 4 times I want to say NO, it is not impossible considering the number of tickets those users buy. I, for one, disabled my lottery to receive reward points instead of lottery tickets so it is no wonder that I never win in the lottery. Many others, even if they haven't disabled the lottery, never buy additional tickets, so those who buy hundreds of thousands or even millions of tickets increase their chances to win by thousands times and no wonder that they win more frequently then others.

That said, I'm not encouraging anyone to buy more lottery tickets in order to have more chances to win. Kprawn said it right: they might have lost more than what they have won, we don't know about that.

I say that. And still claim the same. Because, number of tickets is not only relevant for wining. Also there is random selection ( many users with 100 or even less tickets won some prizes. Also if you look last lottery round  you have 4 users that have less then 20.000 tickets, 4 less then milion and only 2 above milion.
So lets say that only small part of all users are active. Lets say 100.000. Even with that number getting 4 rewards in last 12 rounds of lottery is nearly impossible.

[Kprawn]

I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active, they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play } 

Exactly. And for those who say that there is 5,348,264 registered users and it is impossible that some users have won 2 or 4 times I want to say NO, it is not impossible considering the number of tickets those users buy. I, for one, disabled my lottery to receive reward points instead of lottery tickets so it is no wonder that I never win in the lottery. Many others, even if they haven't disabled the lottery, never buy additional tickets, so those who buy hundreds of thousands or even millions of tickets increase their chances to win by thousands times and no wonder that they win more frequently then others.

That said, I'm not encouraging anyone to buy more lottery tickets in order to have more chances to win. Kprawn said it right: they might have lost more than what they have won, we don't know about that.

I say that. And still claim the same. Because, number of tickets is not only relevant for wining. Also there is random selection ( many users with 100 or even less tickets won some prizes. Also if you look last lottery round  you have 4 users that have less then 20.000 tickets, 4 less then milion and only 2 above milion.
So lets say that only small part of all users are active. Lets say 100.000. Even with that number getting 4 rewards in last 12 rounds of lottery is nearly impossible.

So you are saying, the owners of the site are paying the highest winnings to themselves and then randomly picking people for the lower tier

winner spots. {Say, 7th to 10th spot} Well, that might be... but we have seen people reporting that they have won some of the higher

winning spots. {Are you saying these users are fake?} 

[agustina2]

So you are saying, the owners of the site are paying the highest winnings to themselves and then randomly picking people for the lower tier

winner spots. {Say, 7th to 10th spot} Well, that might be... but we have seen people reporting that they have won some of the higher

winning spots. {Are you saying these users are fake?}  

Who are those people who succesfully bags 1st to 5th prize here? Like you said, you have seen it somewhere. So prior to your post, you thinks that all first prize winner are real human? Are they really genuine? Remember that it's weekly lottery so every week there's a winner.

If they will prove the lottery's provably fair in the future then fine but how about those who win in the past especially those who able to won big amount.

[pepi]

I say what I say. and you read those words to your, own way.
You say 

we have seen people reporting that they have won some of the higher winning spots

Ok, how many people we sow? One, two , five? And where is rest of the winners?  You forget that site admin can do all: so he dont need to invest, he dont need to pay , he can manipulate with number of tickets, and at the end he can manipulate with winners. He is owner. He can do that.
In meantime, he , himself say: help me to find fair system?
Why would anybody say that ? If he made lottery, then he can made fair system also ( if he wont)
I would like also to get few BTC , would you?

[Hutalar]

Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.

I have an idea!
Grab a camera and do live rolling.
That will convince everyone that your lottery is fair, right?
BTW i don't understand how 1 player can win only one prize.

But have the idea how to win from FreeBitco.in they are some steps to follow how to snitch a game from reboots.Change the values in games every 10 seconds.Refresh website every 5 mins.Don't play much as you expecting to win.Then you can easily beat reboots.

[BTCevo]

Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.

I have an idea!
Grab a camera and do live rolling.
That will convince everyone that your lottery is fair, right?
BTW i don't understand how 1 player can win only one prize.

But have the idea how to win from FreeBitco.in they are some steps to follow how to snitch a game from reboots.Change the values in games every 10 seconds.Refresh website every 5 mins.Don't play much as you expecting to win.Then you can easily beat reboots.

This is just some kind of gambling fallacy, because there is no really solid strategy to make you keep on winning streak that much. And now you claim about snitching from their game? I do not think that it will work that way, with some 5% house edge, what you need to do is just some pure luck if you can win like tons of money there

[xfaqs01]

Been in this quite a while but never been reach min pay out 30k sats, i think itll take you
A month or 2 with 8 to 12hrs fauceting everyday, thats a bloody work...

[Betwrong]

I think what happened here is, some users have figured out that buying massive amounts of tickets increase your odds to win big amounts. They tried several times and succeeded a few times. They might have lost more times than what they have won. We do not see the times when these users buy huge amounts of tickets and lost everything. There are also some users with HUGE referral networks... and if these users are active, they get a lot of FREE tickets for every round. { Receive 1 ticket for every roll your referrals play } 

Exactly. And for those who say that there is 5,348,264 registered users and it is impossible that some users have won 2 or 4 times I want to say NO, it is not impossible considering the number of tickets those users buy. I, for one, disabled my lottery to receive reward points instead of lottery tickets so it is no wonder that I never win in the lottery. Many others, even if they haven't disabled the lottery, never buy additional tickets, so those who buy hundreds of thousands or even millions of tickets increase their chances to win by thousands times and no wonder that they win more frequently then others.

That said, I'm not encouraging anyone to buy more lottery tickets in order to have more chances to win. Kprawn said it right: they might have lost more than what they have won, we don't know about that.

I say that. And still claim the same. Because, number of tickets is not only relevant for wining. Also there is random selection ( many users with 100 or even less tickets won some prizes. Also if you look last lottery round  you have 4 users that have less then 20.000 tickets, 4 less then milion and only 2 above milion.
So lets say that only small part of all users are active. Lets say 100.000. Even with that number getting 4 rewards in last 12 rounds of lottery is nearly impossible.

That's a lot. I don't think so many users buy hundreds of thousands, let alone millions of tickets. What if there are only around 100 of such users? Then it's pretty normal that some of them win not only once.

Don't forget that the total number of the lottery tickets is always in the range from 100 million to 250 million, so we can't have 100,000 users everyone of which buys above 10,000 tickets.

Of course I may be wrong but from my perspective something like the following happens.

Around 1 million users take part in the lottery each round. 99.9% of them, or around 999,000 users, have not more than 200 tickets each because they never buy them, but they get 2 free lottery tickets for every FREE BTC roll.

0.1%, or around 1,000 users, buy additional tickets. Around 900 users buy thousands tickets each and around 100 users, or even much less, buy hundreds of thousands or millions of tickets.

Since the lottery is fair, everyone has a chance to win, no matter how many tickets they buy. That's why we can see people who had less than 1,000, and sometimes even less 100, tickets among the winners. But if you buy thousands times more tickets than others do, you chances to win increase thousands of times, so it's no wonder that your USER ID was among the winners more than once during the last 20 rounds.

[klf]

Been in this quite a while but never been reach min pay out 30k sats, i think itll take you
A month or 2 with 8 to 12hrs fauceting everyday, thats a bloody work...

Yes, it is no more attractive to collect these free coins with the intention of withdrawing your funds because before that sometime you will be tempted to reach fast your withdrawal limit and start their hi-low game and end up losing those already collected coins. Also, don't forget they got a 5% house edge and no way you can make any money from that high house edge game.

[newinbtc]

Suggestion regarding lottery tickets

In last round about 248,540,523 Tickets sold which is worth 248,540,523*3 = About 7.4 Btc
Each ticket Price is 3 Sat , IF Ticket Price hiked to 10 or 20 Times or Minimum 1000 Sat each ticket or 500 Sat each ticket and Limit Number of Tickets to be hold for each Person in one round

and this lottery is totally not fair , Nor rules no Verification how winners declared
 There must be Unique Lottery number will be provided when a user buy ANy ticket and In end of result it will be random selected so we can check which lottery Ticket number won... rather than we are watch user bout how many lotter ticktes


Still not understand i can explain

[BitcoinSupremo]

Suggestion regarding lottery tickets

In last round about 248,540,523 Tickets sold which is worth 248,540,523*3 = About 7.4 Btc
Each ticket Price is 3 Sat , IF Ticket Price hiked to 10 or 20 Times or Minimum 1000 Sat each ticket or 500 Sat each ticket and Limit Number of Tickets to be hold for each Person in one round

and this lottery is totally not fair , Nor rules no Verification how winners declared
 There must be Unique Lottery number will be provided when a user buy ANy ticket and In end of result it will be random selected so we can check which lottery Ticket number won... rather than we are watch user bout how many lotter ticktes


Still not understand i can explain

Yes I think that they need to declare last round winners, which address did win so we can check if they are real genuine persons or if they are giving the money through the lottery to themselves. This can be checked with walletexplorer, they will let us know if the address who won the money is genuine or is just some other address who belongs to the same wallet of freebitco.in . I think what they are doing with 50% referral bonus is not a sustainable business but so far they are doing fine.