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June 12, 2017, 08:57:18 AM |
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Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.
Temporarily ?
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June 12, 2017, 10:35:46 AM |
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Freebitco.in is te best faucet. But their hi-lo game system is too bad for the high (5%) house edge. As they says it's a bitcoin faucet but their most income comes from gambling. I have lost my affordable btc here. I'm not reporting about their gambling. I just share my opinion here. I will suggest don't play multiply game here. I will not play any roll on this faucet anymore. Because I think there is not any chance to won big prizes.After playing 5400+ hourly roll I never won 2$,20$,200$ prizes. ~
I'm sorry for your loss but you should have known that people lose big money to dice sites even with lower house edge. What looks strange to me is that you've never won $2 although you've played 5400+ free rolls there, because even though my FREE ROLLS PLAYED is 1,005, I've won $2 once.
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June 12, 2017, 12:55:22 PM |
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If an admin wants to encourage those winners then should offer them some extra tips for posting proof on that thread then surely all the winners will post their winnings. All issues will have solutions just need to find them. Just offer small extra amount then everyone will rush to post their proofs.
FreeBitco.in does offer a reward/bonuse for posting proof of the big wins - as long as you have a screenshot. The OP to that thread (which is still very active) requests $200 and $20 winners to announce their good fortune. To be fair, it doesn't ask lottery winners to come forward, but lottery winners could if they wanted to. Doesn't make sense that such vast number of people could settle to not celebrate their windfall. If one may ask, since when does winning a lottery became something to be shy of? I think the onus rests with Wetsuit to tell all of us here, we are bunch of unlucky folks, ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) that is why no regular person here - Bitcointalk, have ever won. I realize that this forum is a center of activity and discussion for anyone and anything bitcoin related. But that doesn't mean that everyone and everything bitcoin related is here. There's actually a very small community cruising these boards regularly. If you broke down the math of how many members are actively on this forum out of how many people use bitcoin I suspect the % would be quite low.
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June 12, 2017, 01:16:18 PM |
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I would love to make the lottery provably fair but unfortunately there is no method of doing so as far as I know. Hence, I have done the next best thing which is to offer users a chance to opt out of the lottery and receive reward points instead if they feel the lottery is rigged. You can do this from the PROFILE page.
I willl offer 1 BTC to anybody who can provide me with a way to make the lottery provably fair in issuing tickets and picking out winners. The system described should be able to handle hundreds of millions of tickets and verification for users should be fairly easy and straightforward. You can post your ideas here and I'll go through them and reward the idea that we use.
Both the free roll and the dice game are provably fair and the website will be going completely ad-free as of today.
You can design a system something like this: Let's say, Person A bought 5,000 tickets, Person B bought 9,000 tickets, Person C bought 50,000 and Person D bought 1,17,000 tickets User A : 5,000 tickets User B : 9,000 tickets User C : 50,000 tickets User D : 1,17,000 tickets Combined, total tickets : 1,81,000 Generate a random number between 0 and 1,81,000 Set a windows like below : 0-5,000--- User A wins 5,000-14,000--- User B wins 9,000-64,000--- User C wins 64,000-1,81,000 ---User D wins // User D with most tickets has the largest window ... After an iteration, get the user ID who won, out of the system and run it again for second place and so on until you get your 10 winners. Good Luck!! Edit: I believe generating a provably fair random number wouldn't be an issue. how can this method be applied on here when people are getting it from gambling? This is free tickets that they get from wagering a lot of coin. I think there is only less people that really want to buy this tickets More over, if you are setting that kind of windows, how are you going to divide tons of address out there? And we do not even know if all of that address is real person, how can they even get 1 mil tickets in a week?
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June 12, 2017, 02:26:17 PM |
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol. Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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June 12, 2017, 03:58:43 PM |
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol. Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) yeah that could be possible, but if they are btc fans, sooner or later they will find this forum, beacause that was how i started, in frebitco.in, and pretty sure that all the winners if there are any out there, have some time around btc world, so they should have found this site. it is what i think
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June 12, 2017, 04:18:20 PM |
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Wetsuit created a thread somewhere about users must post their winnings there. As far as all my readings there is concerned, I don't see a great numbers out of that great numbers won the big amount. Wetsuit encouraging them to post proofs. How hardheaded that 1000+ winners not to post their winning proofs lol. Yeah we are bunch of unlucky folks here. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Some time ago I saw this thread and it is true that not many winners reveal there, but you must remeber, that Bitcointalk is mostly in english, and there is hundreds of forums in other languages where people publish referral links and bring users to claim satoshi. I'm sure that most of freebitco.in users don't even know that bitcointalk exist. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I don't agree. They not encounter bitcointalk.org while they are in bitcoin world even for a long time? Ok let's say yes but can we say that all of the winners don't know bitcointalk exist? That is thousand winners and currently 106 first prize winners based on the computation by one of the user here and not even one of them claim they won the first prize? Ok stick to that kind of belief. yeah that could be possible, but if they are btc fans, sooner or later they will find this forum, beacause that was how i started, in frebitco.in, and pretty sure that all the winners if there are any out there, have some time around btc world, so they should have found this site. it is what i think
Exactly and likely I will agree. Anyways we don't have anything to do here since admin itself doesn't have a strong stand to that issue.
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June 12, 2017, 04:52:38 PM |
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Some of you may notice that you do not need to solve a captcha for the free play game anymore. Its something that I have been working on and may be able to roll out to a larger number of users soon.
I also have some stuff planned to enable users to increase their base rewards since they have gone down a lot off late due to the rising bitcoin price.
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June 12, 2017, 05:44:17 PM |
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Ok, so this uses your already provably fair method for determining rolls. ---------------------------------------------------- At the start of the round, have the server create a seed, and display that seed hashed to the public. At the end of the round, generate a roll using the round's total amount of tickets hashed as the client seed, and the nonce being the lottery round number. Define t by taking that roll number and multiplying by one million (t = roll#*1000000). Define n by taking t and performing a modulo operation with the round's ticket count, and adding one (n = (t%tktcount) + 1). And there you have it, the winning ticket is the nth ticket acquired in the round. Finally, to make it truly provably fair, make a spreadsheet of sorts (google docs?) which shows each user id and the number of tickets purchased in order from the start of the round to the end (See this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FCMiXgVXI9unoFMm2qgCoK7gGA5BaZqth2BCoddT7k/edit?usp=sharing) - Use multiple entries for each purchase as necessary (Shown in the spreadsheet). This spreadsheet is updated automatically after someone earns/buys a lottery ticket, and there is a link on the lottery page where users can view the spreadsheet at all times. Users can verify the winner after the round by doing the roll formula and checking it against the spreadsheet. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I missed anything. Jake Edit: Grammar
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June 12, 2017, 05:47:46 PM |
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Ok, so this uses your already provably fair method for determining rolls. ---------------------------------------------------- At the start of the round, have the server create a seed, and display that seed hashed to the public. At the end of the round, generate a roll using the round's total amount of tickets hashed as the client seed, and the nonce being the lottery round number. Define t by taking that roll number and multiplying by one million (t = roll#*1000000). Define n by taking t and performing a modulo operation with the round's ticket count, and adding one (n = (t%tktcount) + 1). And there you have it, the winning ticket is the nth ticket acquired in the round. Finally, to make it truly provably fair, make a spreadsheet of sorts (google docs?) which shows each user id and the number of tickets purchased in order from the start of the round to the end (See this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FCMiXgVXI9unoFMm2qgCoK7gGA5BaZqth2BCoddT7k/edit?usp=sharing) - Use multiple entries for each purchase as necessary (Shown in the spreadsheet). This spreadsheet is updated automatically after someone earns/buys a lottery ticket, and there is a link on the lottery page where users can view the spreadsheet at all times. Users can verify the winner after the round by doing the roll formula and checking it against the spreadsheet. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I missed anything. Jake Edit: Grammar WTF? not even newbie but brand new user talking about the system.... Are you actually part of the freebitco.in staff or just have found that that it works that way?
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June 12, 2017, 05:56:20 PM |
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Ok, so this uses your already provably fair method for determining rolls. ---------------------------------------------------- At the start of the round, have the server create a seed, and display that seed hashed to the public. At the end of the round, generate a roll using the round's total amount of tickets hashed as the client seed, and the nonce being the lottery round number. Define t by taking that roll number and multiplying by one million (t = roll#*1000000). Define n by taking t and performing a modulo operation with the round's ticket count, and adding one (n = (t%tktcount) + 1). And there you have it, the winning ticket is the nth ticket acquired in the round. Finally, to make it truly provably fair, make a spreadsheet of sorts (google docs?) which shows each user id and the number of tickets purchased in order from the start of the round to the end (See this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FCMiXgVXI9unoFMm2qgCoK7gGA5BaZqth2BCoddT7k/edit?usp=sharing) - Use multiple entries for each purchase as necessary (Shown in the spreadsheet). This spreadsheet is updated automatically after someone earns/buys a lottery ticket, and there is a link on the lottery page where users can view the spreadsheet at all times. Users can verify the winner after the round by doing the roll formula and checking it against the spreadsheet. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I missed anything. Jake Edit: Grammar WTF? not even newbie but brand new user talking about the system.... Are you actually part of the freebitco.in staff or just have found that that it works that way? I am in no way an expert or claimed to be one. I find bitcointalk interesting to read through, and as I was reading through I saw a reward was available to whoever could solve wetsuit's dilemma. I figured I would take a crack at it, and only created an account to post this because I have no other means of doing so. I sincerely apologise if my post rubbed you the wrong way or offended you, as that was not my intent.
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June 12, 2017, 05:58:41 PM |
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Ok, so this uses your already provably fair method for determining rolls. ---------------------------------------------------- At the start of the round, have the server create a seed, and display that seed hashed to the public. At the end of the round, generate a roll using the round's total amount of tickets hashed as the client seed, and the nonce being the lottery round number. Define t by taking that roll number and multiplying by one million (t = roll#*1000000). Define n by taking t and performing a modulo operation with the round's ticket count, and adding one (n = (t%tktcount) + 1). And there you have it, the winning ticket is the nth ticket acquired in the round. Finally, to make it truly provably fair, make a spreadsheet of sorts (google docs?) which shows each user id and the number of tickets purchased in order from the start of the round to the end (See this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FCMiXgVXI9unoFMm2qgCoK7gGA5BaZqth2BCoddT7k/edit?usp=sharing) - Use multiple entries for each purchase as necessary (Shown in the spreadsheet). This spreadsheet is updated automatically after someone earns/buys a lottery ticket, and there is a link on the lottery page where users can view the spreadsheet at all times. Users can verify the winner after the round by doing the roll formula and checking it against the spreadsheet. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I missed anything. Jake Edit: Grammar WTF? not even newbie but brand new user talking about the system.... Are you actually part of the freebitco.in staff or just have found that that it works that way? I am in no way an expert or claimed to be one. I find bitcointalk interesting to read through, and as I was reading through I saw a reward was available to whoever could solve wetsuit's dilemma. I figured I would take a crack at it, and only created an account to post this because I have no other means of doing so. I sincerely apologise if my post rubbed you the wrong way or offended you, as that was not my intent. Ou, no problem on that... It's just that it sounds strange that a complete newcomer knows something that complex to keep tons of users as they are
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Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.
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June 12, 2017, 06:16:00 PM |
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Ok, so this uses your already provably fair method for determining rolls. ---------------------------------------------------- At the start of the round, have the server create a seed, and display that seed hashed to the public. At the end of the round, generate a roll using the round's total amount of tickets hashed as the client seed, and the nonce being the lottery round number. Define t by taking that roll number and multiplying by one million (t = roll#*1000000). Define n by taking t and performing a modulo operation with the round's ticket count, and adding one (n = (t%tktcount) + 1). And there you have it, the winning ticket is the nth ticket acquired in the round. Finally, to make it truly provably fair, make a spreadsheet of sorts (google docs?) which shows each user id and the number of tickets purchased in order from the start of the round to the end (See this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16FCMiXgVXI9unoFMm2qgCoK7gGA5BaZqth2BCoddT7k/edit?usp=sharing) - Use multiple entries for each purchase as necessary (Shown in the spreadsheet). This spreadsheet is updated automatically after someone earns/buys a lottery ticket, and there is a link on the lottery page where users can view the spreadsheet at all times. Users can verify the winner after the round by doing the roll formula and checking it against the spreadsheet. Let me know if you have any questions, or if I missed anything. Jake Edit: Grammar WTF? not even newbie but brand new user talking about the system.... Are you actually part of the freebitco.in staff or just have found that that it works that way? I am in no way an expert or claimed to be one. I find bitcointalk interesting to read through, and as I was reading through I saw a reward was available to whoever could solve wetsuit's dilemma. I figured I would take a crack at it, and only created an account to post this because I have no other means of doing so. I sincerely apologise if my post rubbed you the wrong way or offended you, as that was not my intent. Ou, no problem on that... It's just that it sounds strange that a complete newcomer knows something that complex to keep tons of users as they are I am a strange person ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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June 12, 2017, 08:18:45 PM |
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How do you explain this balance? -0.00001264 BTC http://prntscr.com/fizkl0Does this have something to do with the sudden drop in the Bitcoin price or is there something wrong with Freebitco.in? Very weird, I used the faucet once today.
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June 12, 2017, 08:20:37 PM |
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How do you explain this balance? http://prntscr.com/fizkl0Does this have something to do with the sudden drop in the Bitcoin price or is there something wrong with Freebitco.in? Very weird, I used the faucet once today. We closed the advertising accounts today and moved it over to the main account so if it had a negative balance it was carried over. Can you pm me your user id and I'll give you a credit.
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How do you explain this balance? http://prntscr.com/fizkl0Does this have something to do with the sudden drop in the Bitcoin price or is there something wrong with Freebitco.in? Very weird, I used the faucet once today. We closed the advertising accounts today and moved it over to the main account so if it had a negative balance it was carried over. Can you pm me your user id and I'll give you a credit. The support with this faucet/bank/gambling site is incredible. Thank you very much Wetsuit for your prompt response to my query and the reward that was given for my inconvenience. Once again you guys do not disappoint when your help is needed. I hope your site goes from strength to strength and I look forward to the upgrades that you mentioned in another post. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) { 10 out of 10 for Support staff } ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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June 13, 2017, 04:57:27 PM |
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Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.
I don't like his idea because it can be simple rigged. Number of tickets can be easily rigged so it means his idea is not good because final result can be rigged as well. If you want true provably fair lottery than post here sha256 hash server seed for next week, and on Sunday announce - lottery is closed, total number of tickets sold is "n", then find member with highly green trust and let him post random "client seed" for that week. After you do all that, reveal server seed, use your multiplier game(modify it with number of tickets), add nonce up to 10 and than roll number 10 times. All 10 numbers rolled in a row will be numbers of winning tickets. Make it public! I don't see what is more provably fair than this and we all can verify it!
I know this sounds very complicated, but if you think about it you will see it's not complicated at all and it will prove your lottery is provably fair!
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June 13, 2017, 05:08:05 PM |
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Anybody can post their idea to claim the 1 BTC reward. Food2 had pm'med me with this idea and I asked him to post here to claim ownership of the idea publicly in case somebody else also thinks of the same thing and I pick this method for doing the lottery.
I don't like his idea because it can be simple rigged. Number of tickets can be easily rigged so it means his idea is not good because final result can be rigged as well. If you want true provably fair lottery than post here sha256 hash server seed for next week, and on Sunday announce - lottery is closed, total number of tickets sold is "n", then find member with highly green trust and let him post random "client seed" for that week. After you do all that, reveal server seed, use your multiplier game(modify it with number of tickets), add nonce up to 10 and than roll number 10 times. All 10 numbers rolled in a row will be numbers of winning tickets. Make it public! I don't see what is more provably fair than this and we all can verify it!
I know this sounds very complicated, but if you think about it you will see it's not complicated at all and it will prove your lottery is provably fair! Your post intrigues me, but I do not understand the final part of the drawing. What do you mean by 10 numbers rolled in a row? Do you mean they are added together?
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June 14, 2017, 06:45:19 AM |
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Freebitcoin is very good to me. Many years have come with payment. If the income is low due to the high rate of bitcoin, it is now on the list of good sites.☺☺☺
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