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[maxreish]

I enjoy it so I'm just playing I always looked forward to those time that I can roll again. I hope that one day I will win the lottery round I never lost hope, " freebitco.in " is the best faucet for me.
Enjoy every one and goodluck.

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[Kakmakr]

First of all, I didn't directly accuse that FreeBitco is manipulating the Rolls because I wouldn't be taken seriously if I did so.
It's better to provide all the information necessary so you can check it by yourselves and even maybe convince FreeBitco to improve their system.


I will explain this in two stages:
First the current (and exploitable) implementation:

1) You Login into FreeBitco and click on the "THIS GAME IS PROVABLY FAIR!"
2) In this screen, the Server *promises* that it will calculate the next roll using your Client Seed + next Nonce + Server Seed. (Server sends you the Hash of that seed so you can check it later, that's perfectly implemented).
3) You save the server seed hash and you hit Roll.
4) The server does all the math. Using the Client Seed, the Nonce, and the secret Server Seed.
5) Then here is where the server MAY say: Oh wait.. I do not like this roll. Let's use the Client Seed, the Nonce, but let's break the promise of which Seed we were going to use.
6) You verify your bet using the bet History (which was saved by the Server). The math here rounds up perfectly and the game seems provably-fair.

There are two problems for you with this implementation regarding how can you verify that you were cheated:
1) You will need to do this for probably thousands of rolls until the server attempts to cheat on you.
2) Once you eventually find a discrepancy, you will be left proof-less and alone. The server promised you it was going to use Hash111 but ended up using Hash222, in the History it stored Hash222 for you to verify/share the bet result.


Now, here is the basic idea on how it should be implemented:

1) Server generates a new secret Seed. Sets the Nonce to 0. And returns you the SHA256 of that Seed.
2) When you roll, you provide your own Client seed to the server.
3) The server calculates the roll using it's secret seed + nonce + client seed.
4) Server increases the Nonce by one. And keeps the same server seed for the next roll.
5) If I want to verify my bets (and only if I ask for it). The server reveals it's secret seed to me and re-executes step 1 for future rolls.
6) The server should add an entry to the history saying that I manually requested the server to reveal the seed.

This way, the server should be able to calculate all rolls without changing the promised seed unless you ask for the seed. Also, you don't need to save each server seed hash and compare it with the one used in the rolls history.
(It can still cheat you into saying you asked for the Seed for verifying before you actually rolled and thus generating a losing seed)
But at least this way it will be way more visible for you to see if your are being cheated, because you will see that the server changed the seed without you asking to reveal the seed.

It's not perfect. But this way it will be extremely hard for them to conceal the cheating.
To compensate the problem of this proposed approach, an option is that the server provides and resets the server Seed and Nonce every week. This way the server cannot cheat the History by saying that you requested the seed for verifying when you didn't.
You will only be able to verify your bets every week, but it can be optional with a setup with a cooldown.


Sorry for the delayed response. I'll do my best to answer all the details.

Ignore Juggy777 negativity. You have a right to raise your concerns, if you spot something that might cause problems in the future. One thing about Wetsuit is this, if there are concerns raised, he or she will address those concerns. Wetsuit will either explain it in detail or he will improve the system.

Sometimes people raise concerns because they enjoy the site and they want things to be perfect. Your argument makes sense and you should investigate further, if there are any doubts.

A lot of us raised our concerns about the Lottery and Wetsuit and his team responded by adding improvements and ways to verify the lottery. So this is just more proof that they are listening and reacting on "customer" concerns. 

[TheQuin]

You have a right to raise your concerns, if you spot something that might cause problems in the future. One thing about Wetsuit is this, if there are concerns raised, he or she will address those concerns. Wetsuit will either explain it in detail or he will improve the system.

I've just heard from wetsuit and I've asked him to have a look at this. My personal view and understanding is that sort of manipulation wouldn't work because there's a nonce on the client side. The argument that the server seed could be changed is negated by the fact you could easily implement a script that checked that before and after each roll. I'm sure there are enough sceptics out that have tried to catch sites out and have failed because they don't actually cheat. It really wouldn't be worth it, the site's reputation is worth far more than any individual bet.

[Sergey2015]

TheQuin
Thank you Huge, excuse me for worrying, good luck to you in everything

[imnotabot11235813]

You have a right to raise your concerns, if you spot something that might cause problems in the future. One thing about Wetsuit is this, if there are concerns raised, he or she will address those concerns. Wetsuit will either explain it in detail or he will improve the system.

I've just heard from wetsuit and I've asked him to have a look at this. My personal view and understanding is that sort of manipulation wouldn't work because there's a nonce on the client side. The argument that the server seed could be changed is negated by the fact you could easily implement a script that checked that before and after each roll. I'm sure there are enough sceptics out that have tried to catch sites out and have failed because they don't actually cheat. It really wouldn't be worth it, the site's reputation is worth far more than any individual bet.

Thanks for communicating this to Wetsuit.

If you look at the steps mentioned carefully. You can see that no matter what the client sends, the server can break the promise of which hash to use and the only way to catch is as you mentioned, or bots. I'm still not making any accusations. I just want to point it out that this can be as real as it gets and is currently extremely hard to verify this by any normal person.

I know FreeBitco has a huge reputation, but it also has a huge userbase, everyone is claiming 'free money' by the hour. If you take out most of the last 3 free-game prizes, statistically the server will end up paying ~7.34 times less. I'm just pointing out there is an incentive to cheat and the system allows it to make it easier to hide.

[BTCevo]

I do not know how to win bitcoin, but Satoshi exactly! For 2 years, not even collected 1 bitcoin

You must be crazy then to think that claiming faucet in 2 years will earn you 1 btc. You can calculate it by yourselves, 400sat per claim(this is mine) * 24 hours * 30 days * 12 month = 3,456,000 which is 0.03456 btc and 2 years you will get 0.069. This is a perfect 24 hours that we count. I do not think you can claim it 24 hours unless you are using bot but this is not allow on their site so you will get lower

it would not be possible for someone to keep claiming every day within 24 hours just to get the faucet, if using bots can run smoothly to claim the faucet every hour, it is likely that many people are doing it and the possibility of this site going bankrupt.

I think that I made it clear on my statement before, you should try to read it before quoting. They do not allow people to use any third party to get yheir faucet, although it seems a little bit for us but if you assume there is only 100 people doing it regularly, how much is their loss in a month? And how about a year and if this continously then this is site wont hold that long. I do not think anyone will want this to happen

[l33twannabe]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

[solosss]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

this again show their greed, do not know how to protect yourself from bots)) captcha has been changed yet again all blocked)) funny to watch you

[carlfebz2]

For 2 years, not even collected 1 bitcoin.

You need to find a way to earn bitcoin instead of collecting from free sites because these sites if they give you 1 BTC for two years then they will go bankrupt soon or later. They got a lot of users and they can't pay all of them so much.

With the free money just try your luck in the lottery and if you're lucky then you may earn 1 BTC. But it is gambling either you will earn or you will lose all those free coins you earn.

Yeah. Hoping to get one bitcoin playing the free game is laughable but if he had focused on getting refferrals he would probably had done better. One big whale as a referral can give you lots of profits.

Seems like we do have a die hard fan or user of Freebitco.in. Imagine in 2 years time he do have the main target of 1 BTC thru faucets? even those amounts accumulated be used either on hi-lo game and lottery there would still have small chances on winning. Referral is easy to say but would really be hard to invite someone.

Reading up conversations above about possible manipulation of seed,i cant make a word yet ive treated all gambling sites do have shady part.

The amount people get from each claim from a faucet is very small so it is quite hard to find an active referral. Members may be active for a while then they will understand it is not worth and move on to other ways to earn money. So if one plan to earn money from referrals then should promote continuously and get new referrals on a regular basis to have regular income from these referrals. Maybe few members will be active for a long time but that doesn't mean that every referral can be active for a long time.

This is one of way of earning thru referral but on the thing you do said on getting new referrals on regular basis then it wont really be an easy thing.It sounds easy to invite someone but actually a very hard task to be done since not all people would be convinced on registering up under your link just for the sake of faucet claiming.You might get some potential players or depositors then it would be a plus.

[TheQuin]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

If you get the "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked." message it means you have triggered our abuse detections systems. They think that the way you use the faucet indicates you may be either using a bot or multi-accounting so either your account and/or IP has been blocked.

this again show their greed, do not know how to protect yourself from bots)) captcha has been changed yet again all blocked)) funny to watch you

Not as funny as you turning up here when you get your bots banned.

[l33twannabe]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

If you get the "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked." message it means you have triggered our abuse detections systems. They think that the way you use the faucet indicates you may be either using a bot or multi-accounting so either your account and/or IP has been blocked.

As we have seen many times before, the system is not perfect and it's no different in this case. I have had a lot of reward points to spent, so for like 10 days I've been redeeming 1000% BTC bonus to get more BTC from the faucet. Is that abuse ? It took me a lot of time to collect those reward points and I didn't use any illegal tricks. Also, I have deposited more than I have won (no halved payouts). So where is the abuse here ? Unless by abuse you mean I should loose more than I get ?

Today my wife has reported to me that she's unable to use faucet for the same reason, but her IP was different for most of the time, so I don't think that's the case of multi-accounting (either way, in this case it's not illegal as two different persons, from different IP addresses use those accounts).

I have sent a message using the form in FAQ section, but as usual I don't expect any reply/actions. I would like to ask here, so others can see and decide if it's worth to register/use FreeBitco, what can I do to have my (and my wife's) account unblocked ? I still have some reward points which I have collected fair and square and now I cannot use them, so it is you, FreeBitco admins, that cheat on the users. I understand there are bots and other kind of stuff, but you can clearly see that in this case that the system is wrong, so I kindly ask you to remove ban from my IP addresses so I can continue using your service.

[TheQuin]

As we have seen many times before, the system is not perfect and it's not different in this case. I have had a lot of reward points to spent, so for like 10 days I've been redeeming 1000% BTC bonus to get more BTC from the faucet. Is that abuse ?

Unfortunately, it is exactly how they program the bots to extract as much from the faucet as possible. You and your wife have done really well to stay awake claiming faucets for 10 days solid.

PM me your user IDs and I'll ask wetsuit to consider unblocking you.

[l33twannabe]

As we have seen many times before, the system is not perfect and it's not different in this case. I have had a lot of reward points to spent, so for like 10 days I've been redeeming 1000% BTC bonus to get more BTC from the faucet. Is that abuse ?

Unfortunately, it is exactly how they program the bots to extract as much from the faucet as possible. You and your wife have done really well to stay awake claiming faucets for 10 days solid.

PM me your user IDs and I'll ask wetsuit to consider unblocking you.

So how else I can use those reward points ? I didn't want to wait until I get 100.000 points to encash them because it would take to long. Once again, I haven't done anything illegal and if the system detects is as so then perhaps you should lower 100.000 reward points limit, so users can encash any amount ? Also, there's a misunderstanding. I didn't claim for 10 days straight (as in 24 times per day). Claiming 16-17 times per day isn't an issue, would you agree ?

I'll PM you those IDs so you/wetsuit can verify my words.

[TheQuin]

So how else I can use those reward points ?

I'm just saying the way you did it matches a pattern bots have been using recently so our detection system automatically blocked your accounts.

[Kakmakr]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

If you get the "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked." message it means you have triggered our abuse detections systems. They think that the way you use the faucet indicates you may be either using a bot or multi-accounting so either your account and/or IP has been blocked.

As we have seen many times before, the system is not perfect and it's no different in this case. I have had a lot of reward points to spent, so for like 10 days I've been redeeming 1000% BTC bonus to get more BTC from the faucet. Is that abuse ? It took me a lot of time to collect those reward points and I didn't use any illegal tricks. Also, I have deposited more than I have won (no halved payouts). So where is the abuse here ? Unless by abuse you mean I should loose more than I get ?

Today my wife has reported to me that she's unable to use faucet for the same reason, but her IP was different for most of the time, so I don't think that's the case of multi-accounting (either way, in this case it's not illegal as two different persons, from different IP addresses use those accounts).

I have sent a message using the form in FAQ section, but as usual I don't expect any reply/actions. I would like to ask here, so others can see and decide if it's worth to register/use FreeBitco, what can I do to have my (and my wife's) account unblocked ? I still have some reward points which I have collected fair and square and now I cannot use them, so it is you, FreeBitco admins, that cheat on the users. I understand there are bots and other kind of stuff, but you can clearly see that in this case that the system is wrong, so I kindly ask you to remove ban from my IP addresses so I can continue using your service.

Did you link your wife and your account to different IP addresses or mobile phones? or are you using this faucet for both accounts on the same IP address? Wetsuit do not have a problem if more than one person in the family use his faucet, but he wants them to register that under separate mobile phone numbers.

Nothing wrong with it, when the family wants to join in on the fun, but you just have to inform them that it is not multiple account abuse. 

The system is not perfect, but it will detect & block multiple accounts. 

[TheQuin]

Did you link your wife and your account to different IP addresses or mobile phones? or are you using this faucet for both accounts on the same IP address? Wetsuit do not have a problem if more than one person in the family use his faucet, but he wants them to register that under separate mobile phone numbers.

Nothing wrong with it, when the family wants to join in on the fun, but you just have to inform them that it is not multiple account abuse. 

The system is not perfect, but it will detect & block multiple accounts. 

These blocks are actually for faucet abuse, not multi-accounting. However, it is always a little odd to imagine what kind of marriage consists of syncronised faucet claiming resulting in identical roll histories.

[l33twannabe]

So how else I can use those reward points ?

I'm just saying the way you did it matches a pattern bots have been using recently so our detection system automatically blocked your accounts.

Ok, then once again - what is the point of reward points system if you can't use them because the system detects it as abuse/bots/something else ? The solution would be to lower the limit of encashing reward points, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

Did you link your wife and your account to different IP addresses or mobile phones? or are you using this faucet for both accounts on the same IP address? Wetsuit do not have a problem if more than one person in the family use his faucet, but he wants them to register that under separate mobile phone numbers.

Nothing wrong with it, when the family wants to join in on the fun, but you just have to inform them that it is not multiple account abuse. 

The system is not perfect, but it will detect & block multiple accounts. 

Yes, we use different IP addresses (I work from home, so it's my IPS address and she uses her carrier's one). When I'm out I also use carrier's IP, but it's dynamic, so it should be different every time I connect. Also, I don't think it's possible to claim from the same IP address, even on two separate accounts, right ?

I know the system is not perfect and there are botnets or other kind of stuff that's making regular users' life hard. That's why I'm not angry or anything. Just trying to resolve it the right way.

[TheQuin]

Ok, then once again - what is the point of reward points system if you can't use them because the system detects it as abuse/bots/something else ? The solution would be to lower the limit of encashing reward points, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

The reward system is there to give a little bonus. If you try and absolutely max out what you get from it you risk being banned for abuse.
There is a certain level of dedication to faucet claiming that looks inhuman.

[solosss]

For some reason, just couple of minutes ago, my IP address has been banned and I'm getting this: "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked. If you are using a proxy, VPN or anonymization service, please turn it off before claiming free bitcoins." Also, tried to switch to my carrier's internet (dynamic IP), which I use when I'm outside home, and it's banned as well. What's going on ? I don't use neither a proxy, nor VPN/anonymization service. Where can I report this ? Also, because of this, I have lost my bonuses.

If you get the "Sorry, this IP address has been blocked." message it means you have triggered our abuse detections systems. They think that the way you use the faucet indicates you may be either using a bot or multi-accounting so either your account and/or IP has been blocked.

this again show their greed, do not know how to protect yourself from bots)) captcha has been changed yet again all blocked)) funny to watch you

Not as funny as you turning up here when you get your bots banned.

this time I do not have oversteps, all my bots are working, blocking them is not touched)) continue to milk the cow

[TheQuin]

this time I do not have oversteps, all my bots are working, blocking them is not touched))

Thanks for letting us know.