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Basically, this discussion has been had over the last week. It's immediately linked to forging payouts. "Selfish" (although some, including me, prefer the term "passive") forgers will, if they are not rewarded more than "break even" for running a node, in all probability not run a node if they have other motives than earning "free Nxt". "Active" forgers, ie. forgers that run a service, would do so, because it allows them to run their service, and cut out operating costs. So, passive forgers would not be "cut out" in any active sense. It would just not be attractive in their terms to do so. However, this discussion is still ongoing. James (jl777) for instance, has proposed methods for these people to earn coins by aggregating CPU power. That helps. Right now I'm a passive forger, mainly because I am not technical enough to contribute by creating some new product or service. As NXT matures and metalayrers are enhanced and simplified, that will change, I think. It helps me to think in terms of analogies. So I think of NXT as the transportation infrastructure: roads, signs, lights, etc. that support the more interesting things - movement of commodities, communication, currencies, etc. As a forger, I operate a toll booth on one of those roads. According to my NXT "contract" (forging), I maintain my little part of the highway in return for getting a little bit of the tolls. Right now, the tolls are extremely low. Like you, I don't earn enough to keep the lights on on my part of the highway. But increasing the tolls may not be the answer. My "philosophical" question goes back to BCNext's quote. We can think of the toll booth operator as a parasite who is only benefiting the infrastructure because doing so serves his selfish interests. Or we can think of the tooth booth operator as someone who deserves a bit of a payout for providing a valuable service to the infrastructure. I think BCNext was concerned about the parasites, and rightly so. But what makes a parasite? |
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i find it hard to believe that i only posted in this thread 83 times
83 is two month ago, now it is 527! How hard would it be to bump this from 100 people to 300 or even 500 people? I am looking for involved NXTers to send these ballot codes to... the list is actually 1018 lines long, I cut it to only 100, the following is top500: rank npost id
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This is what I plan to do next:
Jean-Luc, it is a wonderful thing to have a sense of direction expressed from the core of the NXT dev team. Please make posts like this more often. Thnak you (and BCNext, and all the rest) for your and their hard work to put NXT on such a firm foundation of solid code. |
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"An awful lot of code is being written ... in languages that aren't very good by people who don't know what they're doing." -- Barbara Liskov
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26......I must get out more. See Outsidetm
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Guys I need some links for educating someone in NXT!
you may find some useful links here www.nxt123.info |
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James, I tried get a screen shot of the Bitgem client that I was talking to you about earlier and had no luck. Here is a link to download the client setup for it if you have time to check it out to see my meaning. http://cryptosource.org/bitgem-mandatory-update-released/It allows for holding several types of coins with several types of values, (you will see). my thought was that this type of wallet (if possible to do) would let NXT users keep the coins that came through your gateway in the NXT network to be sent and received, and increase the number of transactions and fees to our network instead of sending them back to their original network (In a sense hijacking them). It could also let them send and receive regular AE assets (which would be handy for using the AE assets as sub-currencies NXT currency). It may also make the AE less cumbersome to use as once people purchased an asset they could spend it through their wallet and not the AE. If it is possible it would really compliment the gateway you are working on. If you have some time to kill maybe check it out and see what you think. Also I was wondering about fees for your gateway. Will there be fees for the holding account? Will they be the same as regular NXT transactions? It sounds like this bitgem is just a GUI that creates a unified wallet. I dont see any reason why this cant be done, except I personally dont do GUI, so we need to find a GUI dev to do this. All the AE is doing is NXT API calls to transfer assets, so the GUI just does the same and if it goes back to the gateway, it gets passed on through to the actual wallet. There will be the bitcoin TXFEE to sweep the deposit into the multisig (also the TXFEE to initially send the deposit) There is one or two NXT transaction fees to transfer the asset in. I am currently not charging that, but probably will have to pass on the costs. That is why I am advocating .01 NXT transaction fee. On withdrawal, there is a single TXFEE for the multisig, but this is automatically deducted from the withdrawal amount. You will also incur a NXT transaction fee to send back to gateway. Here is a cost summary: wallet -> gateway TXFEE gateway -> multisig TXFEE, 1 or 2 NXT transaction fees (charged at what rate?) AE -> gateway, 1 NXT transaction fee multisig -> wallet TXFEE So if you start with 1.0000 sent to gateway from wallet, you will get charged 1.0001 .9999 goes into multisig .9998 would come back to wallet Thats .03%, but of course higher percentage for smaller deposits, plus the 2 or 3 NXT transaction fees. At current exchange rates, another .024% for NXT fees, ignorable when we go to .01 NXT The gateways transaction costs would be roughly .05% on 1.0000 roundtrip deposit withdraw, these will have to be passed through. There will also need to be some fees to cover the cost for running the gateway, but this will get smaller as the usage goes up. We might even get some big donor to subsidize the server costs for the gateways (hint, hint) as the lower the cost for using the gateway, the more assets flow into NXT AE, the more NXT will be worth My job is to make the fees as small as possible to maximize volumes. I dont think the gateway is the right place to monetize. After all, if you see a big toll booth for both ways, are you more or less likely to go in? Once we get NXT transaction fee to .01 NXT, then the trading commission for 1000 NXT valued items would be .001%, which is a bit lower than on most centralized exchanges. Assuming we have easy to use trading GUIs, I dont see why a significant percentage of crypto trading wont happen inside NXT AE. I predict we will see bots making trades every block, which adds up to 10 NXT in commissions for an entire day of trading. More volumes means tighter spreads which means better prices for everyone. In order to create a NXT economy, we need to get money into AE. Once there is a billion dollars worth of trading per day within the AE, it really wont be hard to monetize. We are in very early days now. Building market share is most important. James |
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"Selfish miners (those who only mine to earn fees) should be "removed" from the system. They are not interested in the success of Nxt and only want to cash out."
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Basically, this discussion has been had over the last week. It's immediately linked to forging payouts. "Selfish" (although some, including me, prefer the term "passive") forgers will, if they are not rewarded more than "break even" for running a node, in all probability not run a node if they have other motives than earning "free Nxt". "Active" forgers, ie. forgers that run a service, would do so, because it allows them to run their service, and cut out operating costs. So, passive forgers would not be "cut out" in any active sense. It would just not be attractive in their terms to do so. However, this discussion is still ongoing. James (jl777) for instance, has proposed methods for these people to earn coins by aggregating CPU power. That helps. Right now I'm a passive forger, mainly because I am not technical enough to contribute by creating some new product or service. As NXT matures and metalayrers are enhanced and simplified, that will change, I think. It helps me to think in terms of analogies. So I think of NXT as the transportation infrastructure: roads, signs, lights, etc. that support the more interesting things - movement of commodities, communication, currencies, etc. As a forger, I operate a toll booth on one of those roads. According to my NXT "contract" (forging), I maintain my little part of the highway in return for getting a little bit of the tolls. Right now, the tolls are extremely low. Like you, I don't earn enough to keep the lights on on my part of the highway. But increasing the tolls may not be the answer. My "philosophical" question goes back to BCNext's quote. We can think of the toll booth operator as a parasite who is only benefiting the infrastructure because doing so serves his selfish interests. Or we can think of the tooth booth operator as someone who deserves a bit of a payout for providing a valuable service to the infrastructure. I think BCNext was concerned about the parasites, and rightly so. But what makes a parasite? Freedom isn't free. Forging makes it pretty cheap. |
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i find it hard to believe that i only posted in this thread 83 times
83 is two month ago, now it is 527! How hard would it be to bump this from 100 people to 300 or even 500 people? I am looking for involved NXTers to send these ballot codes to... the list is actually 1018 lines long, I cut it to only 100, the following is top500: newcn, thank you so much for this list. I think this is effectively a voter registration list for the current ongoing funding committee votes. My intention is to get a ballot code to most of the people on this list. If they cared enough to follow this thread and make multiple posts, they deserve a ballot. |
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James, I tried get a screen shot of the Bitgem client that I was talking to you about earlier and had no luck. Here is a link to download the client setup for it if you have time to check it out to see my meaning. http://cryptosource.org/bitgem-mandatory-update-released/It allows for holding several types of coins with several types of values, (you will see). my thought was that this type of wallet (if possible to do) would let NXT users keep the coins that came through your gateway in the NXT network to be sent and received, and increase the number of transactions and fees to our network instead of sending them back to their original network (In a sense hijacking them). It could also let them send and receive regular AE assets (which would be handy for using the AE assets as sub-currencies NXT currency). It may also make the AE less cumbersome to use as once people purchased an asset they could spend it through their wallet and not the AE. If it is possible it would really compliment the gateway you are working on. If you have some time to kill maybe check it out and see what you think. Also I was wondering about fees for your gateway. Will there be fees for the holding account? Will they be the same as regular NXT transactions? It sounds like this bitgem is just a GUI that creates a unified wallet. I dont see any reason why this cant be done, except I personally dont do GUI, so we need to find a GUI dev to do this. All the AE is doing is NXT API calls to transfer assets, so the GUI just does the same and if it goes back to the gateway, it gets passed on through to the actual wallet. There will be the bitcoin TXFEE to sweep the deposit into the multisig (also the TXFEE to initially send the deposit) There is one or two NXT transaction fees to transfer the asset in. I am currently not charging that, but probably will have to pass on the costs. That is why I am advocating .01 NXT transaction fee. On withdrawal, there is a single TXFEE for the multisig, but this is automatically deducted from the withdrawal amount. You will also incur a NXT transaction fee to send back to gateway. Here is a cost summary: wallet -> gateway TXFEE gateway -> multisig TXFEE, 1 or 2 NXT transaction fees (charged at what rate?) AE -> gateway, 1 NXT transaction fee multisig -> wallet TXFEE So if you start with 1.0000 sent to gateway from wallet, you will get charged 1.0001 .9999 goes into multisig .9998 would come back to wallet Thats .03%, but of course higher percentage for smaller deposits, plus the 2 or 3 NXT transaction fees. At current exchange rates, another .024% for NXT fees, ignorable when we go to .01 NXT The gateways transaction costs would be roughly .05% on 1.0000 roundtrip deposit withdraw, these will have to be passed through. There will also need to be some fees to cover the cost for running the gateway, but this will get smaller as the usage goes up. We might even get some big donor to subsidize the server costs for the gateways (hint, hint) as the lower the cost for using the gateway, the more assets flow into NXT AE, the more NXT will be worth My job is to make the fees as small as possible to maximize volumes. I dont think the gateway is the right place to monetize. After all, if you see a big toll booth for both ways, are you more or less likely to go in? Once we get NXT transaction fee to .01 NXT, then the trading commission for 1000 NXT valued items would be .001%, which is a bit lower than on most centralized exchanges. Assuming we have easy to use trading GUIs, I dont see why a significant percentage of crypto trading wont happen inside NXT AE. I predict we will see bots making trades every block, which adds up to 10 NXT in commissions for an entire day of trading. More volumes means tighter spreads which means better prices for everyone. In order to create a NXT economy, we need to get money into AE. Once there is a billion dollars worth of trading per day within the AE, it really wont be hard to monetize. We are in very early days now. Building market share is most important. James I agree with you on needing to keep the cost low and using volume to drive the value of NXT. I can't help but wonder about the server costs and the risk of holding the other currencies. This may sound kinda sharkish but would it be possible to use the holding account to provide for the cost of the server? If there were enough banked in the holding account to cover withdraws and to make loans and charge interest? For example, if there are 1000 people with money in the holding account it would be very unlikely that they would all want to withdraw at the same time. Knowing this you could safely lend a portion of the holding account out at interest to cover the cost of the server expense, and maybe bank some of the interest for insurance on the holding account. I don't mean to make a profit, as I understand your reasoning in wanting to provide the service for the worlds benefit, but economics is economics. There is going to be a cost for providing this service. And it may be possible to generate the funds to pay for the service like this. Or if you made sure to include some proof of stake coins in the gateway inclusions and had enough of them banked to get fees for them (if that is possible). Maybe that is crazy.  I think the AE is awesome and what you are doing with it is awesome. Game changing. |
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3. Before actually enabling Asset Exchange, I need to make the transition from storing transaction amounts and fees in Nxt to nano-Nxt (0.000000001 Nxt), or whatever fits in a Java long, given that the max possible balance or transaction amount is 1000000000 Nxt. I previously thought about adding a new transaction type, but this will be more complicated and ugly in the long run, so better do it right. At first this is just about increasing the precision at which amounts are stored, enabling actual usage of fractional amounts and fees will be done at a later step. But this has to be finished before the AE is turned on, it will be much more difficult after that. And it will have to be very well tested, so again we need a reliable test network.
I would recommend that we go with 8 decimal places (same as Bitcoin and most clones) as it will make it far easier for people to "port" their code to work with NXT (i.e. API returned "balance" should be 100000000 for 1 NXT). Anyone using "blockchain.info" (which CIYAM Open does) will be "dividing the balance" by 100000000 to display the value as people expect to see it so if we go with the same number then it will require only changing the website request (rather than both the request and their code). |
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3. Before actually enabling Asset Exchange, I need to make the transition from storing transaction amounts and fees in Nxt to nano-Nxt (0.000000001 Nxt), or whatever fits in a Java long, given that the max possible balance or transaction amount is 1000000000 Nxt. I previously thought about adding a new transaction type, but this will be more complicated and ugly in the long run, so better do it right. At first this is just about increasing the precision at which amounts are stored, enabling actual usage of fractional amounts and fees will be done at a later step. But this has to be finished before the AE is turned on, it will be much more difficult after that. And it will have to be very well tested, so again we need a reliable test network.
I would recommend that we go with 8 decimal places (same as Bitcoin and most clones) as it will make it far easier for people to "port" their code to work with NXT (i.e. API returned "balance" should be 100000000 for 1 NXT). Anyone using "blockchain.info" (which CIYAM Open does) will be "dividing the balance" by 100000000 to display the value as people expect to see it so if we go with the same number then it will require only changing the website request (rather than both the request and their code). Yes, it is easy to modify my code if using big integer |
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jl777
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March 02, 2014, 03:09:24 AM |
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This may sound kinda sharkish but would it be possible to use the holding account to provide for the cost of the server? If there were enough banked in the holding account to cover withdraws and to make loans and charge interest?
You are suggesting fractional reserve. To that, I just say no James |
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LemonAndFries
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March 02, 2014, 03:09:39 AM |
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So I've been having trouble setting up a node under Debian.
This is the error I get after 0.8.3 starts:
./run.sh: line 1: 3004 Killed java -Xmx1024M -cp nxt.jar:lib/*:conf nxt.Nxt
Help is appreciated.
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wakasaki808
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March 02, 2014, 03:23:30 AM |
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Woo! Can't wait  Hopefully Cryptsy problems are less than when I used to use them. Can't wait for an English speaking main exchange though(other than DGEX) |
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CoinTropolis_JustaBitTime
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March 02, 2014, 03:39:57 AM |
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Emails going out in the next 48 hours to 80+ contacts that will be at the Texas Bitcoin Conference. Whatever bites we received, we'll kick it right back to marketing. We've created a spreadsheet and sent the link to Asian Prepper and RickyJames. I'd really like to see us make contact with some of the investment groups that will be at the conference.
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March 02, 2014, 03:45:19 AM |
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Suggested NIP (Nxt Improvement Proposal)
Adding "meta information" to Arbitrary Messages.
As AMs are going to become a key communication tool for various other parts of the Nxt system (including NIPs themselves) I suggest that we decide on one of the two ways of providing minimal "meta" information for AMs.
This could be done in the following 2 ways:
1) Encode them as URIs (making it simple for web apps to handle different kinds of things).
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2) Use the first x bits of the AM to indicate the type.
The advantage of 1 is the simplicity for web apps (i.e. no coding necessary) and the advantage of 2 is size (we only have 1000 bytes for an AM currently).
Which way we go is up to the community - but whichever way I would like to see then an NIP AM (which might just contain the hash of an NIP document - the document itself could be posted on forums or wherever else).
By having such information your "inbox" could automatically place messages in different folders and could also perhaps sound an "alert" according to the AM type received (e.g. we might expect to also have an "alert" AM a bit like Bitcoin alerts).
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