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June 10, 2012, 03:01:43 AM
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I read that. I still don't get it. What devcoin appears to have done is create an ecosystem where 90% of the wealth is controlled by a very small group, maybe just 1 person. Corruption is inevitable in this model. You are going to be gamed by bounty hunters, gamed by everyone else who thinks they can blag a free handout, and gamed by the 90% wealth holders who will want to do everything to ensure their wealth steadily increases. And the 90% person or group will see it as their wealth over time.

This project appears to be idealistic but good intentions get corrupted by messy reality.

The gaming by bounty hunters and hack writers hasn't happened yet. For the 90% wealth holders to see their wealth increase they have to be fair to workers, or else the good workers will go to something else and the devcoins they hold would be worth little.

Although devcoin isn't corrupt now, most organizations become corrupt with time. If that happens to devcoin, then the good writers could just move their articles to another wiki, make another coin to fund it, say a reformcoin, as described here:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Devcoin#Concerns

Ideally, there would be some way of making money independently, where people could write or do something and get paid what they deserve. However, I've never seen any way to make real money working alone. The advertising revenue for most blogs is less than 10 $/month. Donations from making an open source program are also usually less than 10 $/month, even for fairly popular programs. If someday there's a way of making real money independently I'll try that, until then there's devcoin.

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June 13, 2012, 07:38:08 AM
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The round 12 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_12.csv
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/receiver_12.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_12.csv

The account file is at:
https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/account_12.csv

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 12, starting at block 48,000.  The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://www.devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Devcoin#Generating_the_Files

The next bounties will go into round 13.

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June 15, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
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I read that. I still don't get it. What devcoin appears to have done is create an ecosystem where 90% of the wealth is controlled by a very small group, maybe just 1 person. Corruption is inevitable in this model. You are going to be gamed by bounty hunters, gamed by everyone else who thinks they can blag a free handout, and gamed by the 90% wealth holders who will want to do everything to ensure their wealth steadily increases. And the 90% person or group will see it as their wealth over time.

This project appears to be idealistic but good intentions get corrupted by messy reality.

The gaming by bounty hunters and hack writers hasn't happened yet. For the 90% wealth holders to see their wealth increase they have to be fair to workers, or else the good workers will go to something else and the devcoins they hold would be worth little.

Although devcoin isn't corrupt now, most organizations become corrupt with time. If that happens to devcoin, then the good writers could just move their articles to another wiki, make another coin to fund it, say a reformcoin, as described here:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Devcoin#Concerns

Ideally, there would be some way of making money independently, where people could write or do something and get paid what they deserve. However, I've never seen any way to make real money working alone. The advertising revenue for most blogs is less than 10 $/month. Donations from making an open source program are also usually less than 10 $/month, even for fairly popular programs. If someday there's a way of making real money independently I'll try that, until then there's devcoin.


I run several online business and I am in need of people to help out with certain tasks.

I am willing to pay in devcoins for easy jobs
anyone interested please send email to tom@devcoin.org

also I still need some devcoind binaries so I can get into my wallet!!

someone please help!!!
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June 16, 2012, 12:12:21 PM
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I run several online business and I am in need of people to help out with certain tasks.

I am willing to pay in devcoins for easy jobs

It's hard enough to find decent people for BitCoins, you have no chance of getting decent people for DevCoins.

You want to get the profit while other people do the work.
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July 09, 2012, 05:10:19 AM
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The round 13 devtome word bounties are pasted below and at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_bounty_13.csv

121Pb2BBrU7C61vBdWCKVuFFmaEZr6xFAX-Knotwork,3-Word Count
17vec4jQGCzMEsTnivizHPaowE715tu2CB-Unthinkingbit,11-Word Count

They are generated by tomecount.py:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/tomecount.py

The word counts for each writer are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/tomecount.csv

The word bounties were generated on 2012-07-08, and the word counts follow below.

Collated Word Count: 53,714
Collated Weighted Word Count: 16,114
Original Word Count: 56,219
Total Word Count: 109,933
Total Weighted Word Count: 72,333

From statistics:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Statistics

Views total: 37,672
Content pages: 70

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July 11, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
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The round 13 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_13.csv
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/receiver_13.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_13.csv

The account file is at:
https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/account_13.csv

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 13, starting at block 52,000.  The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://www.devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Devcoin#Generating_the_Files

The next bounties will go into round 14.

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July 31, 2012, 12:20:51 AM
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Images now contribute to the weighted word count, and therefore earnings:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Earn_Devcoins_by_Writing#Earnings_per_Image

For now, each image counts for ten words. In time, if there is no image spam or gaming, the writers who add images will decide how many words worth of work it takes to add an image.

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August 07, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
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Icoin made a devcoin block explorer:
http://glari.ch:2750/chain/Devcoin

For which he will get 2 generation shares in round 14, from the block explorer bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg937183#msg937183

He will also get the ongoing maintenance bounty of 1/5 of a share, as long as his explorer is running.

His block explorer also handles I0coin, Ixcoin, and Namecoin:
http://glari.ch:2750/chain/I0coin
http://glari.ch:2750/chain/Ixcoin
http://glari.ch:2750/chain/Namecoin

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August 08, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
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The round 14 devtome word earnings are pasted below and at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_bounty_14.csv

121Pb2BBrU7C61vBdWCKVuFFmaEZr6xFAX-Knotwork,8-Word Count
17vec4jQGCzMEsTnivizHPaowE715tu2CB-Unthinkingbit,13-Word Count

They are generated by tomecount.py:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/tomecount.py

The word counts for each writer are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/tomecount.csv

The word earnings were generated on 2012-08-08, and the word counts follow below.

Collated Word Count: 53,714
Collated Weighted Word Count: 16,114
Images: 8
Original Word Count: 77,719
Total Word Count: 131,433
Total Weighted Word Count: 93,913

From statistics:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Statistics

Views total: 46,088
Content pages: 110

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August 09, 2012, 06:59:50 AM
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The round 14 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_14.csv
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/receiver_14.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_14.csv

The account file is at:
https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/account_14.csv

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 14, starting at block 56,000.  The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://www.devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Devcoin#Generating_the_Files

The next bounties will go into round 15.

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August 12, 2012, 03:17:23 AM
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In December, a devcoin stock exchange bounty was posted:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg649844;topicseen#msg649844

It was later forgotten, and in the meantime an OpenTransactions server which supports devcoin stock trades was made:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Digitalis_Open_Transactions_server

However, it didn't get a bounty, because the devcoin exchange bounty was forgotten. On August 09, someone asked if the devcoin exchange bounty was still available and upon reading it and discussing it with Mark, I determined that the OpenTransactions server met the base requirements, so the base bounty is being released. Once determinations are made for the other bounty requirements, then the other parts will be released.

Because the bounty has been claimed, the next devcoin exchange would get 3/4 of the bounty, the next after would get 2/4 of the bounty, and the fourth would get 1/4 of the bounty.

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August 13, 2012, 06:30:12 PM
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There are now enough devcoin nodes, permanent and transient, that we don't need any new permanent devcoin nodes. So there is no longer a bounty for new permanent nodes, nor a bounty for their maintenance. All current maintenance bounties remain in effect. Edits to that effect have been added to the permanent node posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg470466#msg470466
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg640074#msg640074


When the first block explorer bounties were posted, it was assumed that they would be straightforward to maintain. However, it turned out block explorers need a lot of resources, and even with that they go down often, so they need more maintenance. To pay for that, the block explorer maintenance bounty has been increased from 1/5 of a share to 2/5 of a share. This will take effect in the next set of bounties, for round 15 at block 60,000.

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August 14, 2012, 10:08:09 PM
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I hope I'm not interrupting your conversation.

Couple months ago I was merged mining all the cryptcoins and there was devcoin too. I didn't know where to get devcoin address but I've found strage info that devcoin is the same as a btc address, which I can use to mine and it will be stored in it.

Is that possible to restore dvc mined on btc address?

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August 14, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
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I hope I'm not interrupting your conversation.

No problem, I'm glad people are interested.

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Couple months ago I was merged mining all the cryptcoins and there was devcoin too. I didn't know where to get devcoin address but I've found strage info that devcoin is the same as a btc address, which I can use to mine and it will be stored in it.

Is that possible to restore dvc mined on btc address?

Devcoin addresses are the same as bitcoin addresses, a bitcoin private key can be copied into a devcoin wallet. An explanation is at:
http://devtome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Earn_Devcoins_by_Writing#Devcoin_Address

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August 14, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
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So my memory isn't that bad:)

Too bad I'm windows user. Is there any chance to manage that procedure non-linux way?

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August 15, 2012, 03:44:26 AM
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There's a four generation share bounty for the first person who provides a devcoin windows executable, and a two share bounty for the second. It must be built from the August 22, 2012 devcoin files or later, from the developer files at:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/galacticmilieu/files/DeVCoin/

There also has to be a brief explanation of how the executable was compiled, so that others can create their own executable.

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August 15, 2012, 11:17:16 PM
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The remaining bitcoin bounty options are now cancelled. There were only two left, 2/4 and 1/4 of the devcoin exchange bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg591984#msg591984

and 1/4 of the wiki bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg614316#msg614316

Those bounties are now only devcoin generation share bounties.

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August 16, 2012, 04:53:13 AM
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It seems I didn't tar/zip the old devcoin-qt to put on my sourceforge downloads site.

It is however still on github:

https://github.com/knotwork/old-devcoin-qt.git

It seems to work fine for me, so if anyone wants a GUI version of devcoin - with the proviso that mining is disabled in the GUI version due to thread problems that would make it crash if mining was enabled - grab it from that github repo...

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August 16, 2012, 06:35:22 AM
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Thanks!

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August 16, 2012, 09:20:01 AM
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It seems I didn't tar/zip the old devcoin-qt to put on my sourceforge downloads site.

It is however still on github:

https://github.com/knotwork/old-devcoin-qt.git

It seems to work fine for me, so if anyone wants a GUI version of devcoin - with the proviso that mining is disabled in the GUI version due to thread problems that would make it crash if mining was enabled - grab it from that github repo...

I compiled and ran it, it worked on my Linux/Ubuntu machine, so Mark gets the twelve share bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg666440#msg666440

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