Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[247crypto]

Who are those gangsters today in Ukraine?

http://kiev-necropol.narod.ru/RybalkoVI.html

[Balthazar]

Of course he has, but he will wait for a support by the local authorities. Because it has no sense without having a centralized and strong opposition in the eastern territories... If you wish to create a stable republic, not some sort of another Iraq.

By authorities I mean structures like Crimean parliament and government. Currently there are a lot of people against the coup but they have no leadership. It seems that some sort of strong opposition forces will be formed in the future, but it's a matter of months.

Another pro-russian meeting happened in the Donetsk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wF_SNvgCmhs

100,000+ participants... Support it's good thing, but... C'mon guys, you need something more organized if you wish to take down the fake government.  

P.S. My userpic would be fine as revolutionary symbol (the horizont, Sun and Venus). It could represent sunset or sunrise, depends on the point of view.

[bryant.coleman]

A total of 82.71% of the registered voters participated in the polls.

Highest polling in Russian dominated raions such as Kerch (94.59%). Very high polling in mixed Russian-Ukrainian areas such as Chornomorske (93.7%).

Moderate polling in Muslim dominated areas such as Kirovske (57.64%) and Bakhchysarai (59.23%).

[TheIrishman]

[EDITORIAL] Crimean referendum: Mr Putin and the threat of a new cold war

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/16/crimea-referendum-putin-threat-cold-war

"Through a series of interventions in civil liberties, Mr Putin is turning a soft autocracy into a highly repressive state."

[fsb4000]

Crimea celebrates join Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQKyedLAsg
You can lie about the occupation. We do not mind. The truth is on our side 

[Nemo1024]

Crimea celebrates join Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AQKyedLAsg
You can lie about the occupation. We do not mind. The truth is on our side  

It would be more accurate to say that Crimea celebrates finally re-joining Russia after 60 years of illegal and illegitimate separation.

People who were born in Russia (and yes, I mean Russia, and not Soviet Union - Soviet leaders did much to eradicate the notion of Russia from the consciousness of people both inside the country and abroad) celebrate returning from the exile that was imposed on them.

[leoragraves666]

Seems like the people have spoken. 90+ percent is really something

[hdbuck]

Seems like the people have spoken. 90+ percent is really something

yet its still depicted as illegitimate by EU/US countries.. XDDD

[Balthazar]

But they don't give a fuck about EU or US opinion... And that's annoying for Obama

[hdbuck]

But they don't give a fuck about EU or US... And that's annoying for Obama

yea obviously, good for them, but as i live in one of those countries i'm just sick of all that propaganda and all the people around me buying that crap.

[Balthazar]

They are exploiting people`s ignorance and trying to hide the fact that principles of legitimacy and legality are not the same.

Power could be legal and legitimate (just an ideal case);
Power could be illegal but legitimate (people`s transitional government is the best example, it's empowered against constitution);
Power could be legal but illegitimate (dictatorship is the best example, it's legal according to law but has no support);
Power could be illegal and illegitimate (nazi coup is the best example, it's both illegal and unsupported).

The same is correct for the bills or voting procedures. Kosovo and Crimea referendums are illegal (denied by constitution) but legitimate (supported by people).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)

[bryant.coleman]

yet its still depicted as illegitimate by EU/US countries.. XDDD

They had no problems with legitimacy in Kosovo, Libya, Iraq.etc

[myself]

The same is correct for the bills or voting procedures. Kosovo and Crimea referendums are illegal (denied by constitution) but legitimate (supported by people).

why dont you put on the list the American colonies declaration of independence from UK, no where under the UK law they were allowed to secede  so they should bo back and be a colony again 

[hdbuck]

lol
touché

Altough US just care about themselves, so it would help if they dont act like f*****g cowboys all around the globe in the holy name of democracy.

[fsb4000]

[Nemo1024]

90% of who? Russian troops and their families who have been permanently stationed there?

90% of people living in Crimea. Russians is the historic majority for several hundred years. Don't forget that the people of Crimea were given away as a present against their will (slavery, anyone) 60 years ago.

When US votes by a 55% meet-up for a new president, who is voting for a president of whom? The descendants of a rag-tag band of immigrants and occupants who took the land from Indians? Look who's talking.

Tatars had their say as well. They were also offered a permanent minimum number of places in the Parliament (it's as if Indians in the US were offered permanent percentage of places in the Congress). Third option? There were three combinatorial options: 1. leave everything as is, 2. secede from Ukraine, but stay independent, and 3. secede from Ukraine, but re-join RF. Everyone had their rightful say, and if they didn't use it, it's their own problem. This will always be the case in any voting or referendum.

Those times I visited Crimea, no one there, not even Tatars spoke Ukrainian. Hell, during the time I spent in Kiev I almost never heard Ukrainian - it would be funny if Kiev seceded from Ukraine next.

[Balthazar]

From Aksenov's (prime minister of Crimea) twitter:



 

P.S. https://twitter.com/sergyaksenov

[Balthazar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xtqSfuLKOs&feature=youtu.be (Deutsch with Russian translation)

Merkel just fucked up  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdhT_2DO3Uw (Deutsch)

Full Gysi's speech

[domob]

90% of who? Russian troops and their families who have been permanently stationed there?

90% of people living in Crimea. Russians is the historic majority for several hundred years. Don't forget that the people of Crimea were given away as a present against their will (slavery, anyone) 60 years ago.

When US votes by a 55% meet-up for a new president, who is voting for a president of whom? The descendants of a rag-tag band of immigrants and occupants who took the land from Indians? Look who's talking.

Tatars had their say as well. They were also offered a permanent minimum number of places in the Parliament (it's as if Indians in the US were offered permanent percentage of places in the Congress). Third option? There were three combinatorial options: 1. leave everything as is, 2. secede from Ukraine, but stay independent, and 3. secede from Ukraine, but re-join RF. Everyone had their rightful say, and if they didn't use it, it's their own problem. This will always be the case in any voting or referendum.

Those times I visited Crimea, no one there, not even Tatars spoke Ukrainian. Hell, during the time I spent in Kiev I almost never heard Ukrainian - it would be funny if Kiev seceded from Ukraine next.

While I agree with this view largely, can you please give your sources for the "three options" you mentioned?  As far as I know, there were only two options offered on the poll (stay with Ukraine but institute a constitution that gives parliament the right to secede, and join with Russia).  "Leave everything as is" was not offered.

[hdbuck]

crimeans recognize rouble as official currency. so much teasing.