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May 19, 2018, 10:45:29 PM
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Ccminer is GNU, so any fork source must be published. How will the fpga programmer prevent his work from being copied? I understand that the Bitstream is a not GNU but surly the fpga can't replace the management app which will combine and coordinate the mining process.

I can see it being like a driver but what stops someone else from just using the driver and using your Bitstream


I think anything we'd release would involve custom software, not a github mod. I'm not sure what whitefire is planning. There are a number of mechanisms that can be used to protect the bitstream even if the software is open source.


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May 19, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
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I would like to buy one, but I wont have the money for a few months since I am also paying for school at the moment. How long will they be available to purchase/when is the deadline?. I am also a little bit worried, since I cant program hardware, If I buy one of these and no software becomes available I would have bought a really cool, expensive, paperweight. If this happens is there any sort of aftermarket where I would be able to make back some/most of the money?

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May 20, 2018, 01:23:43 AM
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who will reprogram this if a new algo is born?

How about the DEVFee?

The devfee depends on the dev, as gpuhoarder eluded to in the previous post... There will likely be many devs coming out with bitstreams and software. Whitefire was just the first to announce. We are considering developing a platform that would allow any dev to develop firmwares for the boards and provide the development environment. The devfee collected on our software would depend on what devfee the dev wanted to set.


I'm also doing this now. And any algo on which they want to earn I'll release on github for free.
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May 20, 2018, 03:09:24 AM
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Hey, very interested.  I'd like to start out small with a 2 board purchase. When is the payment deadline, and is delivery looking liike ~60 days? 
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May 20, 2018, 03:38:52 AM
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who will reprogram this if a new algo is born?

How about the DEVFee?

The devfee depends on the dev, as gpuhoarder eluded to in the previous post... There will likely be many devs coming out with bitstreams and software. Whitefire was just the first to announce. We are considering developing a platform that would allow any dev to develop firmwares for the boards and provide the development environment. The devfee collected on our software would depend on what devfee the dev wanted to set.


I'm also doing this now. And any algo on which they want to earn I'll release on github for free.

Most of the algorithms out there already exist published "for free" - that isn't the hard part. They'd still need expensive software licenses + lots of time and reasonable sets of skills to synthesize + deploy bitstreams for a variety of hardware. Not to mention we tend to be doing a lot of floor planning, rapid re-configuration, and other things beyond some verilog/VHDL.

Typically speaking, especially for things like this where there is a very real high cost (in software and hardware + time) to produce the bitstreams, you will get what you pay for.
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May 20, 2018, 03:51:00 AM
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I'm interested in this ... Certainly would not sell off my gpu's at this point though.  My opinion might change, but at this point, I'd be more inclined to sell off gpu's for more asic's.

My interest is in how much money I can make, like all of you ... If you put your own money into anything, your interest is in getting your money back and then some.  End of story.

I would like to test it, but I would only do it on a small scale.  Might throw 1-2 btc at it.

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May 20, 2018, 04:46:08 AM
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does the fpga use a specific program for mining?

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May 20, 2018, 04:46:38 AM
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Most of the algorithms out there already exist published "for free" - that isn't the hard part.
I found only Keccak.

They'd still need expensive software licenses + lots of time and reasonable sets of skills to synthesize + deploy bitstreams for a variety of hardware.
Vivado (webpack/design) tcl console + gcc/cmake, skill not needed just 1-click. Both free.

ps: VCU1525
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May 20, 2018, 04:57:31 AM
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Would love to join a group buy, I'm located in the united states. Been paying close attention to all this fpga talk and my team is on board with it.
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May 20, 2018, 07:51:40 AM
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Place Holding ...

So I can readup when I have a little time.

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May 20, 2018, 08:19:15 AM
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Could also ask the manufacturer and reseller give us the buying information include MOQ, price, timing, shipping according to the different country?  eg.,  To Australia, Japan, USA, China, Korea, .......
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May 20, 2018, 11:54:53 AM
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Most of the algorithms out there already exist published "for free" - that isn't the hard part.
I found only Keccak.

They'd still need expensive software licenses + lots of time and reasonable sets of skills to synthesize + deploy bitstreams for a variety of hardware.
Vivado (webpack/design) tcl console + gcc/cmake, skill not needed just 1-click. Both free.

ps: VCU1525

Webpack edition won’t build you Ultrascale+ bitstreams. Though I guess you could use the trial of the full version.
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May 20, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
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Just a FYI, we've received enough interest that we'll open up sales once avnet increases their price.

I've also confirmed BOM costs and availability.

If we sell < 10,000 units we can sell for a price of $4,000 each. If we sell > 10,000 units we can drop the price to $3,000 each. All manufacturing will be done inside the USA.


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May 20, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
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Most of the algorithms out there already exist published "for free" - that isn't the hard part.
I found only Keccak.

They'd still need expensive software licenses + lots of time and reasonable sets of skills to synthesize + deploy bitstreams for a variety of hardware.
Vivado (webpack/design) tcl console + gcc/cmake, skill not needed just 1-click. Both free.

ps: VCU1525

Nope.  webpack only does the little toy FPGAs.
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May 21, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
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Interested in 2 Pcs. Also got no response from the manufacture. I try this mail jason.harvey@avnet.com.
Do u have any contacts to cooperate with?
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May 21, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
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avnet seems to have increased their prices.  Any idea when these will be available for sale?
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May 22, 2018, 03:21:17 AM
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avnet seems to have increased their prices.  Any idea when these will be available for sale?

I was planning to open up sales in the next couple of weeks.

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May 22, 2018, 03:58:43 AM
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Contact me I maybe able to purchase 25-100 units depending on pricing and seriousness.  Wink Guess you don't allow PMs from newbies  Undecided
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May 22, 2018, 08:13:56 AM
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Contact me I maybe able to purchase 25-100 units depending on pricing and seriousness.  Wink Guess you don't allow PMs from newbies  Undecided


any details?
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May 22, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
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@everyone Whitefire990 statement regarding the Xilinx 1525 modification and thermal management: difficult to over clock:  1. You need to use a DC1613A PMBus dongle with a custom cable adapter to plug into the VCU1525 PCB and reprogram the current limits and core voltage.  2. You need to disassemble the VCU1525 and modify the cooling system, which means you need to use ESD protection straps and use a heat gun to soften the thermal paste on the FPGA and you still risk breaking the BGA solder joints and ruining your card.  That's why the VCU1525 is hard to overclock.  The software allows you to immediately run it at any speed up to 900MHz but without the above mods it won't work.
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@everyone   Bittware is looking to develop a mining optimized VU9P board with water cooling and higher power capacity than the VCU1525, which converts to significantly higher overclocking speeds.  The VCU1525 is very difficult to overclock (it can be done but it takes technical expertise and it runs really hot 100-105C).  With the VCU1525 now being $5K and the Bittware board at $5895, this is something to strongly consider if you are looking to get into FPGA mining.   Although I own 9 x VCU1525, my next rig will be made up of the water cooled Bittware cards.  Just FYI.
It’s from discord.
If I understand correctly, the Board 1525 without modification will not be ready to work with software mining.
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