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June 07, 2018, 11:26:02 AM
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And most people are like me not like those just diving in blind. Thats why I am sure FPGA will be a niche game for quite a long time if not forever.

I'll take that action. Name the wager Smiley


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June 07, 2018, 11:30:36 AM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.

is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.

seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.

at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.

180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.

no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.

EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.

We will be building protections into the shell. HOWEVER, that's our code. We can't control other's code or what code you use. If you run some code that has no protections built in and you damage your board; do you think we should warranty that?

Obviously trying to push 300 watts through a device designed to handle 225W is not going to end well. Another example, running the devices at the upper limits of their thermal design.

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June 07, 2018, 11:46:27 AM
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We will be building protections into the shell. HOWEVER, that's our code. We can't control other's code or what code you use. If you run some code that has no protections built in and you damage your board; do you think we should warranty that?

Obviously trying to push 300 watts through a device designed to handle 225W is not going to end well. Another example, running the devices at the upper limits of their thermal design.

That's great news. Waiting forward for Europe shipping and pricing
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June 07, 2018, 12:15:56 PM
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We will be building protections into the shell. HOWEVER, that's our code. We can't control other's code or what code you use. If you run some code that has no protections built in and you damage your board; do you think we should warranty that?

Obviously trying to push 300 watts through a device designed to handle 225W is not going to end well. Another example, running the devices at the upper limits of their thermal design.

That's great news. Waiting forward for Europe shipping and pricing
From what country you'll be shipping in europe?
Any possibility to take it by yourself person to person?
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June 07, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
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Huawei didn't hold the gun but is paying 1B fines. Easy as that.

For warranty? Can't seem to google any related article about that 1B fines and Huawei, got link?

My mistake. ZTE got 1B fines, Huawei permanent US ban. Not related to warranty, point was one shouldn't gunpoint to get fines...

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June 07, 2018, 02:18:28 PM
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When are sales going to go live?
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June 07, 2018, 02:18:53 PM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.

is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.

seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.

at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.

180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.

no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.

EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.

Again - we are not building these cards, nor designing them. Xilinx provides what they provide. The reality is there is no magic clock that makes these boards go up into smoke in 90 days. They’re reliable, but fully controllable by the user and therefore can be abused and damaged through carelessness in ways that are impossible to tell from hardware failure. 90 days covers actual defective hardware.

Regardless - here are the terms, no one forces you to buy. You must decide yourself.

Sales should be live today, once we get green light.
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June 07, 2018, 02:30:43 PM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.

is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.

seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.

at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.

180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.

no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.

EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.

Again - we are not building these cards, nor designing them. Xilinx provides what they provide. The reality is there is no magic clock that makes these boards go up into smoke in 90 days. They’re reliable, but fully controllable by the user and therefore can be abused and damaged through carelessness in ways that are impossible to tell from hardware failure. 90 days covers actual defective hardware.

Regardless - here are the terms, no one forces you to buy. You must decide yourself.

Sales should be live today, once we get green light.
Will you be able to ship to Europe from the get-go or will we poor european have to wait patiently till August or buy from bittware or digikey
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June 07, 2018, 02:46:12 PM
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Sales should be live today, once we get green light.
This is awesome news and pleeeeeeeease make sure you do give us a complete writeup with most detailed information and instructions before you release the cards for sale. Especially minimum requirements. This is big money for a lot of people.



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June 07, 2018, 03:10:21 PM
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My moniker, while perhaps not as warm and trusting on the surface, has my last name in it. So... Cheesy

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-sensel-10454a79/


Thats cool, you probably don't know that no one can access that link unless they have signed up for linkden.

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June 07, 2018, 03:20:20 PM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.

is there not a way to build in protection circuits to the device. i know the fpga will not self throttle (afaik) without specific bitstream support (maybe i have that wrong?) but surely there are ways to monitor critical sections of the cards (VRMs, FPGA, support chips, whatever) to downclock the device. i mean gpus are more or less bulletproof in that regard, why cant your card do the same.

seems the only thing outside of your control is ESD damage. that i can see as most miners probably ignore it.

at least offer an extended warranty for an added price.

180 days i could handle, 90 days, not so much. sounds almost like youre deliberately running beyond spec and cooling abilities and dont expect it to last.

no disrespect intended but self preservation seems like it should be built into high performance parts from day one.

EDIT btw not all miners abuse their rigs. my rigs lead a better life than my daily driver.. constant power (no cycling), better cooling, more checks for maintenance (temps, dust, cable conditions) etc.

If they actually end up taking PayPal, use a credit card that doubles warranties (MasterCard does I think).

I'm not a big fan of this short warranty but if that helps to keep the price low I can live with that. I used to be excited about 3-5 year warranties on GPUs however in retrospect I wish I had bought refurbs 20% cheaper with 90-day warranty. The low rate of failure and the hassle of RMAing the whole thing to replace a $10 fan is just not worth it. Granted this FPGA is a far more expensive product and an unknown risk so I can understand your concern.

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June 07, 2018, 04:47:44 PM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.


Again - we are not building these cards, nor designing them. Xilinx provides what they provide. The reality is there is no magic clock that makes these boards go up into smoke in 90 days. They’re reliable, but fully controllable by the user and therefore can be abused and damaged through carelessness in ways that are impossible to tell from hardware failure. 90 days covers actual defective hardware.

Regardless - here are the terms, no one forces you to buy. You must decide yourself.

Sales should be live today, once we get green light.

so basically if we stick to only your officially sanctioned bitstreams we should be withing card limits. its just if we load others we may destroy the card if we dont know what we are doing?
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June 07, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
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90 day warranty is a big turnoff for a 3-4k USD item.


Again - we are not building these cards, nor designing them. Xilinx provides what they provide. The reality is there is no magic clock that makes these boards go up into smoke in 90 days. They’re reliable, but fully controllable by the user and therefore can be abused and damaged through carelessness in ways that are impossible to tell from hardware failure. 90 days covers actual defective hardware.

Regardless - here are the terms, no one forces you to buy. You must decide yourself.

Sales should be live today, once we get green light.

so basically if we stick to only your officially sanctioned bitstreams we should be withing card limits. its just if we load others we may destroy the card if we dont know what we are doing?


The way that I would see users destroying their card is operating bitstreams that push things to the extreme while not providing adequate cooling.
OR
Using a long molex chain to power multiple risers that would surely melt under the load.
OR
Using a sata connector to plug into the riser which isn't rated for 75W.



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June 07, 2018, 06:14:31 PM
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Update: Anyone wishing to develop bitstreams for release to the boards, please contact me via PM. If you haven't already designed a crypto core for fpga, this doesn't apply to you.



I'm interested in deploying for it, I have some FPGA experience in the telecoms, just getting familiar with crypto. What do I need to start?
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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018


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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018



Europe ?
FPGA Land apparently require as valid VAT ID.
As an individual, I dont have one... Am i stuck there ?
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June 07, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018



I'm in the US. Is PayPal still an option or just crypto? Would be nice to do PayPal since the market might be going up, and I don't wanna miss out on them gainz.
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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018



I'm in the US. Is PayPal still an option or just crypto? Would be nice to do PayPal since the market might be going up, and I don't wanna miss out on them gainz.

Yep plus paying in crypto causes a taxable event which is also something that some people would like to avoid. Paying with paypal, credit cards does not cause a tax event.
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June 07, 2018, 07:24:11 PM
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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018



I'm in the US. Is PayPal still an option or just crypto? Would be nice to do PayPal since the market might be going up, and I don't wanna miss out on them gainz.

PayPal is just fine.

VAT number should be optional, providing it lets us not charge you VAT.
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UPDATE:

Launch of sales for the VCU1525 blockchain edition are about to begin. To ensure that devices are distributed among the community we will be staggering the sales over time and placing a limit of 4 devices per order. Stock will be added in small quantities over arbitrary intervals until sales have completed. If you're not able to order your device immediately; it is recommended you check back over 10-15 minute intervals.

Orders will start at 4PM EST on June 7, 2018



Europe ?
FPGA Land apparently require as valid VAT ID.
As an individual, I dont have one... Am i stuck there ?

It's not required

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