I am absolutely certain that from March 2015 till August 3rd, 2015 (perhaps someone whos been around longer could verify the timeframe) that there were no terms for the badbeat jackpot.
Support refused to address the situation publicly, and privately they told several players (including myself) that even though there was a ticker in the lobby that kept increasing, and the hand histories were showing a fee for "BBJP 0.01", they were not - in fact - collecting an extra 0.01 per hand.
(I dont have evidence of support claiming they weren't collecting a fee - if anyone does PLEASE share it. Betcoin will likely lie, please help me hold them accountable. You can remain anonymous if you like, pm dooglus or anyone you trust if you don't feel comfortable sending it to me)Naturally I did the simple math and explained they were mistaken. They ignored me. (standard) And I just kept asking them over and over - louder and louder (standard).
Here's an example hand from May. ($1 = 1 mbtc)
The final pot ends up being $81.60 pre rake and BBJP. The rake is capped at $2 and $0.01 is deducted for BBJP
Winner received $79.59
Winning Poker Network Game #6091979: No Limit Holdem ($0.50/$1) [2015/05/31 08:15:44 UTC]
Table: Tokyo - 2
Seats: 9
Seat 1: SexyTime ($111.50)
Seat 2: Gunt ($91.16)
Seat 3: Benjamin.Li ($116.50)
Seat 4: lonewolf ($212.04)
Seat 5: raccoon ($139.92)
Seat 6: standarr ($52.79)
Seat 7: spike420211 ($361.92)
Seat 8: DrBlakeDowns ($206.33)
Seat 9: OHYEAH ($80.28)
Button is seat 4
raccoon: posts small blind $0.50
standarr: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
OHYEAH: dealt [Js Ac]
spike420211: raises $2
DrBlakeDowns: folds
OHYEAH: raises $7
SexyTime: folds
Gunt: folds
Benjamin.Li: folds
lonewolf: folds
raccoon: folds
standarr: folds
spike420211: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jc 3s] (Pot = 15.50)
spike420211: bets $16.98
OHYEAH: calls $16.98
*** TURN *** [Qc Jc 3s] [7h] (Pot = 49.46)
spike420211: bets $16.07
OHYEAH: calls $16.07
*** RIVER *** [Qc Jc 3s] [7h] [8c] (Pot = 81.60)
spike420211: checks
OHYEAH: checks
OHYEAH: mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $79.59 | Rake: $2 | BBJ: $0.01 | ($79.59 + $2 + $0.01 = $81.60)
Board: [Qc Jc 3s 7h 8c]
Seat 1: SexyTime didn't bet
Seat 2: Gunt didn't bet
Seat 3: Benjamin.Li didn't bet
Seat 4: lonewolf didn't bet
Seat 5: raccoon lost -$0.50
Seat 6: standarr lost -$1
Seat 7: spike420211 won $79.59 (+$39.54) [Qh Ts] One Pair, Queens
Seat 8: DrBlakeDowns didn't bet
Seat 9: OHYEAH lost -$40.05 [Js Ac] One Pair, Jacks
By July I think they realized that something had to be done. Their solution:
- This 10 BTC freeroll was open to ANYONE.
- Betcoin was claiming to fund it with the Bad Beat Jackpot - I'd estimate there are 20-30 regulars who contributed over 75% of the jackpot. The whole time haveing a 0% chance at winning it.
- There ended up being over 1000 players in the freeroll which ended up a disaster on its own due to them having rebuys for actual chips. (not getting into that now)
- I can't help but speculate a very large chunk of the 10 BTC prize pool ended up getting seized due to multi account abuse.
There was 60 minutes of late registration, unless they have changed anything, I don't think you even have to verify your email to create a new account. Fill this form out and boom, you're back in:
It's almost as if they were begging players to come and multi account this thing.
In my opinion, they really thought this freeroll would solve their BBJP problem. They never even considered that every satoshi that had been collected DID NOT BELONG TO THEM AND THEY SHOULD RETURN IT TO THE SAME PLAYERS.
I ended up bitching even louder, and getting some attention at least. They decided to change plans.
NEW PLAN, POST BBJP FREEROLL:
The day after the freeroll they threw up some terms on the website and acted as if they had been there all along.
How did they get away with all this? They just ignored the hard questions - rewarded players for spreading good things about them in the forums, and eventually everyone just kind of forgot about it. Same as all the other issues.
Additional evidence:official announcement:
https://www.betcoin.ag/10-btc-gtd-pre-millions-freeroll-betcoin-pokerThe prizepool of the 10 BTC freeroll is being funded by the Bad Beat Jackpot which will remain on the website until the client is updated.
Screen shot of part of deleted thread. Betcoin Paul justifying the BBJP freeroll, shaming a player for complaining (zzzz who disliked his comment is also moderator) and then claiming that the whole thing was a huge success just to rub our face in it.
https://i.gyazo.com/7777f5fb51a7db3861b5b94c6d0724b5.jpgFrom Original announcement:
The prizepool of the 10 BTC freeroll is being funded by the Bad Beat Jackpot which will remain on the website until the client is updated.
Support claiming there actually has been a way to win the jackpot- they just disappeared and didn't know what they were, but they will be back soon. (Translation, we're just going to pretend nothing happened and there's nothing you can do about it.)
Terms for Bad Beat jackpot as of August 3rd (they don't make sense)
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/what-are-rules-bad-beat-jackpotif anyone is not familiar with BBJPs - here's an example of what you would expect when someone who understands poker and knows how to write clear and complete terms and conditions:
http://www.theborgata.com/assets/webpage/PLAY/badbeat/index.htmlMissing from Betcoin BBJP Terms:
- How is the jackpot distributed? Usually the loser gets the biggest share, the winner a little less, and either everyone else at the tabl, or everyone else currently playing on the site divides up a portion, and the final portion is used to reseed.
The full rules for the bad beat jackpot are below and you need to follow the rules precisely to be eligible for the Jackpot. You must 1) play Hold’em at a Bad Beat Jackpot table and 2) lose a hand containing 4 “Jacks” (or better)
Please remember: the last cards in both your and your opponent’s hand should play – this is a mandatory condition.
- What happens when the BBJP is dealt. Contact support? Are the funds added automatically? Is there a waiting Period?
- What does this table mean?
- Fee is "10" for 5/10+ ? 10 what? 10%? 10 chips? Per hand? Who gets the jackpot share?
My point is, the terms are crap and obviously thrown together at the last second.
