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February 28, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
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thanks all for your responses  Wink  I stay on proportional  Grin
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February 28, 2011, 11:47:01 PM
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Hello everyone, I've made a GUI miner for poclbm and it works great with deepbit. If you don't like messing around with the command line and want a convenient miner, you should give it a try. Screenshot:



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February 28, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
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Tycho-
I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.

Thanks

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March 01, 2011, 12:02:46 AM
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Hello everyone, I've made a GUI miner for poclbm and it works great with deepbit.
Thanks for posting :)

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March 01, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
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I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332

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March 01, 2011, 12:10:45 AM
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I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332

HAHA I just copy pasta that to my command line and have been running for days. The port doesn't need to be specified since 8332 is default. The -p switch is already declared if you put your password before "-p 8332" so it doesn't do anything anyway; you can remove -p 8332 in its entirety.
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March 01, 2011, 12:13:00 AM
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Tycho-
Either should work. See usage:
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usage: DiabloMiner -u myuser -p mypassword [args]
                   
 -d,--debug            enable extra debug output
 -f,--fps <arg>        target execution timing
 -g,--getwork <arg>    seconds between getwork refresh
 -h,--help             this help
 -o,--host <arg>       bitcoin host IP
 -p,--pass <arg>       password for host
 -r,--port <arg>        bitcoin host port
 -u,--user             username for host
 -w,--worksize <arg>   override worksize
 -x,--proxy <arg>      optional proxy settings IP:PORT<:username:password>


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March 01, 2011, 12:14:39 AM
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I just noticed on your index page you list the syntax for a couple of miners. Should the Diablo syntax be -r 8332? You have -p 8332.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Sadly there is no any info about that miner. Should it be --port 8332 or something else ? Are you sure about -r 8332

HAHA I just copy pasta that to my command line and have been running for days. The port doesn't need to be specified since 8332 is default. The -p switch is already declared if you put your password before "-p 8332" so it doesn't do anything anyway; you can remove -p 8332 in its entirety.

Hahha. Just noticed that myself!

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March 01, 2011, 01:19:27 AM
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Thanks Tycho your pool works fine Smiley  What is the best performance? Pay-Per-Share or Proportionnal ?   Cheesy

From what I've heard, PPS should end up being ~10% less than proportional, because you're transferring the risk of not finding a block to Tycho.
No, it should not being 10% less because there is 3% fee for proportional. And sum wildly depends on luck.

Right, over time PPS should add up to being 90% of theoretical while Proportional is 97% of theoretical. A difference of ~7%, not 10%.

It did some quick math and it seems like PPS is more profitable than Proportional. This is because the chance of success for finding a block does not seem linear from the average of 55590.2 hashes. I seems like outliers for requiring more hashes can go far out to 200,000+ hashes, but you can never solve this in less than 1 hash. The distribution seems geometric? I haven't done math and statistics so someone more familiar in bitcoin hashes please explain how the search and block hits work.

From my calculations, if the average block takes 58061 or more hashes to solve, PPS becomes better than Proportional. For those who want to cheat the system, they just need to start each new block with Proportional. If the block isn't solved in 58061 hashes, they can immediately switch to PPS to maintain maximum payout. Once there is a jump in balance, they would know that a new block is started on and switch back to Proportional. I sorry to air this exploit, but it must be known to close this loophole. The good news is this approach requires tedious monitoring of the account page.

For me I believe the nonlinear distribution in solve times means that the average block is found in more than 58061 hashes. Right now I'm keeping my system as PPS since I'm lazy. However, if someone knows how the statistics of the bitcoin hashes work, please explain it in more detail.
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March 01, 2011, 01:24:50 AM
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I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.

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March 01, 2011, 01:31:39 AM
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I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.

True, but at least by sticking with Proportional <58061, you can cash in on a quick block jackpot. Once you go above 58601 hashes, the value of each hash solved with proportional will fall below the value of a hash solved with PPS. Therefore you can limit the losses in value by switching modes for shares solved after 58601.
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March 01, 2011, 03:00:00 AM
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I switched to PPS today and glad I did  Wink

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March 01, 2011, 03:21:38 AM
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I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, when you use proportional, the shares you made with proportional stay proportional. Same with PPS.

True, but at least by sticking with Proportional <58061, you can cash in on a quick block jackpot. Once you go above 58601 hashes, the value of each hash solved with proportional will fall below the value of a hash solved with PPS. Therefore you can limit the losses in value by switching modes for shares solved after 58601.

Good point.

Oh well, I'll stick with PPS because I like quick feedback. lol

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March 01, 2011, 03:25:47 AM
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Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.

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March 01, 2011, 03:48:01 AM
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Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.
Looks like your miner can't recover from communication errors.

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March 01, 2011, 04:09:15 AM
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Every time I try to use this pool, it works for awhile. But, every time I come back and check up on my mining rig I see the RPC communication error. It seems to work for a number of hours and then just completely stop.
I have had some "Problems communicating with bitcoin RPC" with poclbm now and then, but nothing serious. Have you come up with a means of automatically switching to another server when that occurs? I'm currently working on some Perl that switches to my local bitcoind and checks the pool connection every 30 seconds when I get those errors.
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March 01, 2011, 03:10:32 PM
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@[Tycho],

Have you been tweaking the server?  I cannot login suddenly?

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March 01, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
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Have recently joined the pool - nice work.

A couple of things I noticed:

In the "My Account" section, my Mhash/s is sometimes reported 10x what my miner says it is, which is interesting. A lot of the time though, I'm getting 0 for all the stats except balance - even though I'm generating shares in the miner.

I thought it would be useful to see the number of shares generated by each worker in the web interface - I am mining from a work PC. It would be nice to log in and check the number of shares from home.

I was also interested in knowing how you calculate the per-share rate, if it's not sensitive information of course.

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March 01, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
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Have recently joined the pool - nice work.

A couple of things I noticed:

In the "My Account" section, my Mhash/s is sometimes reported 10x what my miner says it is, which is interesting. A lot of the time though, I'm getting 0 for all the stats except balance - even though I'm generating shares in the miner.

I thought it would be useful to see the number of shares generated by each worker in the web interface - I am mining from a work PC. It would be nice to log in and check the number of shares from home.

I was also interested in knowing how you calculate the per-share rate, if it's not sensitive information of course.

Thanks

The Mhash/s reported is the actualized Mhash/s determined by the number of shares passed to the server averaged over the last 7 minutes. The rate you see on your computer is the amount of work your actually doing. I would assume the reason you are seeing 0 is you have a low Mhash/s rate and therefore when you find a share your shares/7 minutes skyrockets but most of the time your shares/7 minutes is 0. This question was answered on the first page of the thread BTW.
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March 01, 2011, 09:08:03 PM
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Hello, people.

Please set your getwork request period to 5 seconds if you are using longer one.

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