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Author Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too  (Read 1452746 times)
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May 05, 2011, 06:03:27 PM
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i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...

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May 05, 2011, 06:07:46 PM
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Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%

Thanks for that info. I don't remember have i read somewhere or did someone said that running fan over 50% can cause damage.
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May 05, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
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24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!

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May 05, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
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24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!

Perhaps, although my card claims 10 years constant running if kept at 70degC.  I assume that would include the fan.  To maintain this, the fan would normally have to run reasonably fast.  The enemy to a motor [servo] is not usage as much as it is constant change in speed.  Acceleration in particular is toughest on motor.  If you can setup a fan profile to keep your fan speed relatively consistent [and blow the dust out of your machine on a regular basis], you should be fine.  Statistically, there will always be fans that blow early and always be fans that run for the useful lifetime of the card even at 100%.

I hope you find this useful.  It is FAR better to blow the fan then to run the card hot.  A fan can be replaced [as long as the card shuts down], but running the card consistently hot will more likely cause total failure as opposed to just a fan failing.

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May 05, 2011, 08:39:37 PM
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I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?
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May 05, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
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I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?

Account password is not the same as worker password.


Thanks. I've now found the worker and changed that password.
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May 05, 2011, 08:54:23 PM
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i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...

With all that hashing power, you probably should be working a smaller pool [or solo mining].  BTCMine comes to mind right out of the gate.  Registration is closed, but send a message and you can probably get in there. I am just trying to get existing "dead" rigs revived to the point of hitting 1GH/s ;-) .... currently running one card at 366MH/s, so I have some way to go.

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May 05, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
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RETRACTED

Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.

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May 05, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
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I have been inexplicably paid. Tongue The pool just sent out .27 BTC for me. Odd, since I have my threshold set at 1 and just took yesterday's payoff about 2 hours ago. Not that I'm complaining. Smiley

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May 05, 2011, 10:02:16 PM
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BTCMine is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  Cheesy

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4251.320

I think we need to grow BTCMine now, he is doing a good service over there ... not sure if [Tycho] is okay with me saying that here but it is better for bitcoin network stability to not have too big of a central (single) point of failure.

Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.

I've been trying to explain this for a while now. It seems no one cares. They are all concerned with being in the biggest pool, forgetting what makes Bitcoin secure to begin with. I wonder if the large pool operators have considered this. The bigger their pool, the more money they make. But if the system is easily exploitable, no one will be making any money at all.

If I was a government goon, I would certainly go after the big pool operators first. Either bribe or threaten them to do what I want. Of course, we don't need to worry about governments, right? Bitcoin doesn't threaten them in the slightest.

I think all the pool operators are doing a great job. But the security of Bitcoin is more of a concern to me.

Yeah, but the perceived economic incentive with the big pool is steady payouts. BUT, if you are in it for the long term and have some good sized hash power BTCMine is actually a better economic choice right now because it has zero fees and the variance will even out quite quickly if you have enough power ... also I think deepbit.net grew quite big recently because a lot of newbs showed up and the OCN guide just showed them how to connect to deepbit.net so that is what they did ... after a while some will figure out where they fit in and how which pool suits which the way they mine ... night-time, daytime, class-time, all the time ...

I started on slush but then moved to deepbit when he had only 15 JiggaHash to help him grow, now I like to gamble some time on BTCMine and help him grow, maybe to catch a run wahoo! or blow some of my cluster time on nothingness booooo ... and if I have other things to do for days I just leave it running on slush or deepbit and the meter ticks over nicely ...  its all good.

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May 05, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
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Another reason that deepbit.net is drawing people is that you don't have to wait for the 120 confirmations of a winning block to get your reward paid out [people love immediate gratification].  Also, long polling is significant.  One other point is that up until the recent hack fix made by slush, the payouts and website would suddenly cease to work until he manually intervened.

Just my 0.02BTC worth Smiley

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May 05, 2011, 11:43:05 PM
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Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?
While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.
I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/
If you are using phoenix miner, please try Poclbm or Poclbm-gui to see if it works or not.
Looks like phoenix still can't fix some bugs in their/twister's network code.
Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.

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May 05, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
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it is better for bitcoin network stability to not have too big of a central (single) point of failure.
Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.
I've been trying to explain this for a while now. It seems no one cares. They are all concerned with being in the biggest pool, forgetting what makes Bitcoin secure to begin with. I wonder if the large pool operators have considered this. The bigger their pool, the more money they make. But if the system is easily exploitable, no one will be making any money at all.

If I was a government goon, I would certainly go after the big pool operators first. Either bribe or threaten them to do what I want. Of course, we don't need to worry about governments, right? Bitcoin doesn't threaten them in the slightest.
There is no such threat. When some pool operator decides to do something bad or cooperate with governments, all the miners will instantly switch to others or go solo, and there will be no big pool anymore.

Also, the same reason about not being "single point of failure". It takes less than a minute to switch pools when something happens.

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May 05, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
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...is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  :D
Please, do not invite people to other pools in MY thread, that's impolite. I'm not posting my ads in other pools threads.

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May 05, 2011, 11:58:24 PM
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Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.

You have a US server?  Handy knowledge for many perhaps.  Grin

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May 05, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
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...is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder  Cheesy
Please, do not invite people to other pools in MY thread, that's impolite. I'm not posting my ads in other pools threads.

Apologies. in my defence I was responding to clear up an erroneous comment .... but it is retracted now anyway.

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May 06, 2011, 12:02:06 AM
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Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.
You have a US server?  Handy knowledge for many perhaps.  ;D
Yes, I do :)
It's set to automatically take US miners in case of transatlantic network failure.

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May 06, 2011, 12:06:32 AM
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There is no such threat. When some pool operator decides to do something bad or cooperate with governments, all the miners will instantly switch to others or go solo, and there will be no big pool anymore.
Also, the same reason about not being "single point of failure". It takes less than a minute to switch pools when something happens.
Yet, the fact remains that if a large pool operator attacked the system (regardless if he wanted to or not), he could. If, for example, your pool grew large enough to control 51% of the network, you could do damage to the network before the network could react.
I'm not planning to reach 50%, just in case.
But I know some good things that can be done for network if big pools unite.
NOTE: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3889.msg110565#msg110565

Indeed, it takes less than a minute to switch pools, but how many of your users monitor the network every minute of every day?
I see how fast they react when there is a problem with some of the pools.

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May 06, 2011, 05:02:39 AM
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IDK if your willing to answer this Tycho... but with fees and your own mining, what do you make in a day BTC wise?

I would love to see a Daily btc chart as im one of those people that uses my payouts to watch progress Tongue

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May 06, 2011, 05:12:58 AM
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IDK if your willing to answer this Tycho... but with fees and your own mining, what do you make in a day BTC wise?

I would love to see a Daily btc chart as im one of those people that uses my payouts to watch progress :P
I'm working on this, especially for PPS users :)
Also I would like to hear: should I count daily earnings between midnights on UTC or midnights on user's timezone ?
Second option may be more useful, but it will be more difficult to compare between users and may lead to wrong values if user changes his timezone.

By the way the stats page is updated, now it shows average time to find a block (at the bottom) and loads 6 times faster.

As for my own income, I can't give precise answer at this moment because i'm overinvesting in my little "mining farm". I'll post some pics and results later when it will be done.

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