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May 05, 2011, 12:28:08 PM
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i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem

on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06   1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi...   12.24

i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin

If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.

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May 05, 2011, 12:40:32 PM
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if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics Wink

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

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May 05, 2011, 12:43:56 PM
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i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem

on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06   1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi...   12.24

i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin

If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.

hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:

1    Not yet redeemed    12.24    1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ    Address    
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks

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May 05, 2011, 01:06:41 PM
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ahh nevermind i just got it thanks again

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May 05, 2011, 01:09:33 PM
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hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:

1    Not yet redeemed    12.24    1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ    Address    
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG

the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks
If the bitcoincharts site says that coins are in your wallet already then it's ok.
If you still don't see them in your bitcoin client then you may have not downloaded the entire blockchain or you may need to rescan it.

I just checked myself - your money are in your wallet.

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May 05, 2011, 01:39:18 PM
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Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
Well, actually there is no reason Smiley
Sometimes I run the payments manually to test if it's working after fixing something. But usually it should not pay automatically before 24 hours.
You don't need to worry while your money is not lost Smiley

I understand that some of you may use 24h-payments to measure daily income, then sorry for out-of-shedule ones.
I'll add "daily income" table soon.

You sure do a lot of testing on a live system.  You have been getting away without real harm so far, but since people notice, it is worth you considering running your testing on an offline system first [i.e. in this example, fill an imaginary account(s) with credits and send them to yourself].  One day, this is going to bite you if you cease to remain lucky.   We all know that luck plays a role in mining after all Smiley.

A little friendly advice from a system software guy to you Smiley.  Tinkering with live systems like this is like feeding a tiger a raw steak on your open palm, ask Roy Horn of Sigfried and Roy whose luck ran out. Sad

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May 05, 2011, 01:54:39 PM
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if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics Wink

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

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Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

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May 05, 2011, 02:00:35 PM
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if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics Wink

U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.

i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)

"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps

Smiley

Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

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May 05, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
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Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

That's what the '-' signifies.  '-' means blocks were being solved faster (fewer shares) than difficulty suggests.  When that happens, proportional produces higher payouts, since the block contained fewer shares.  The '+' signifies that blocks were going slower (more shares), which is when PPS has a higher payout.  Although I did oversimplify one part.  A small '+' would still favor proportional, due to the higher fee taken from PPS (10% vs 3%).

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May 05, 2011, 02:14:42 PM
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I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:


5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle

No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?

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May 05, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
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I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:


5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle

No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?


Are you in the US? I think the problem is the trans-Atlantic link is glitchy.  It is certainly the largest hop by far!  deepbit.net is located in German [or at least is hosted there], and it seems other pools are in the US (not entirely sure) and thus this problem isn't being seen with those pools [or least, I haven't seen it].

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May 05, 2011, 03:09:16 PM
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Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

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May 05, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
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What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what Smiley
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May 05, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
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Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.

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May 05, 2011, 03:58:57 PM
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What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what Smiley

In your case, definitely use proportional and don't look back.  PPS has been said to be a roughly 10% fee where proportional charges 3%, but is variable based on luck.  Proportional will nearly always pay out better for you with that card.

It is always good to look at this page for your hardware.  http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison.  What miner do you use?  I use poclbm GUI (GUIMiner v2011-04-26).  I would try -v -w 64 -f 40 as additional arguments if this is a machine that you use for other purposes while mining.  Also, you can try -v -w 128 -f 40; I am not sure, but I believe that hardware supports the larger work.  If you have a dedicated machine, change -f 40 to -f 1.

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May 05, 2011, 04:14:06 PM
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Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.


I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/

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May 05, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
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Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout.  It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.


I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere.  =/

It would be a good idea to look into your connection.  You can see some of the diagnostics that Tycho and I went through on my connection (by the way, I haven't seen any further problems since that time).  My guess is it depends how well your ISP is connected to the trans-Atlantic trunk going over to France and then Germany ... and it seems that only one route exists to get there.  I wish deepbit.net was multi-homed [via ISP] such that there were multiple trans-Atlantic routes (I haven't seen any other option .. I asked a QWest and Frontier user each, two collegues of mine, to do the traceroute and while they took different routes through the USA, they hit the same route across the Atlantic.

Then I would try slush's pool @ http://mining.bitcoin.cz.  Good luck.

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May 05, 2011, 04:34:16 PM
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Not exactly.  '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional.  '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS.  But it does not mean you should switch!  As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to):  Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct.  It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative.  That means negative is lucky for the pool.  Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

That's what the '-' signifies.  '-' means blocks were being solved faster (fewer shares) than difficulty suggests.  When that happens, proportional produces higher payouts, since the block contained fewer shares.  The '+' signifies that blocks were going slower (more shares), which is when PPS has a higher payout.  Although I did oversimplify one part.  A small '+' would still favor proportional, due to the higher fee taken from PPS (10% vs 3%).

I guess there is no better way to describe it than what it says right on the site.

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This is the number of submitted shares divided by the number of solved blocks. It's variation is random and depends on pool luck, but in long term it converges to expected difficulty. When the average is less than difficulty - it means that the pool is lucky, when it's greater - unlucky. Those numbers are only for curiosity, every solved block's luck is completely independent, so past results do not affect next ones. If you don't want to depend on luck, use PPS payout method; it has zero variance because the pool takes your risk.

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May 05, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
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you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s  Shocked


Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool! Smiley


EDIT: is it safe if fan speed is over 50%?
Currently it's 53%
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May 05, 2011, 04:55:26 PM
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you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s  Shocked


Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool! Smiley

You are welcome, glad to be of service.

Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%. I use MSI Afterburner and have a custom fan profile to keep my temp around 75C.  Fan runs 54-60% (usually at the low end) most of the time..

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