bitcoin-trader.biz

[btpro]

hello bitcoin-traders! invested capital: 21.100 last income: 0.85%.

[Grinder]

hello bitcoin-traders! invested capital: 21.100 last income: 0.85%.

Welcome, new sockpuppet account! I was beginning to wonder if you were going to keep quiet for a while, hoping that everyone would forget about the audit that was supposed to be done by August.

[zoonosis]

hello bitcoin-traders! invested capital: 21.100 last income: 0.85%.

We don't need a running commentary on things which are available elsewhere. What we want is audit results which are available no where.

[worhiper_-_]

hello bitcoin-traders! invested capital: 21.100 last income: 0.85%.

We don't need you here. Go away.

[btpro]

Hello bitcoin-traders and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that?  

[vipgelsi]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that? 

Do you have proof of Hyip?

[Keyser Soze]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that? 

Do you have proof of Hyip?

Try looking here: https://bitcoin-trader.biz/results.php

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns", it is the only logical explanation. Any explanation showing they are legitimate would be illogical. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8573261#msg8573261 for example.

[BombaUcigasa]

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns",

Actually those results are unrealistically low for a company that boasts two offices of hired traders. I've seen people make more profits in their sleep. And the returns have suspiciously lowered since the start of the year even though you are not required to withdraw the hot results and can't withdraw the principal, basically they are double-dipping hard.

[animalroam]

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns",

Actually those results are unrealistically low for a company that boasts two offices of hired traders. I've seen people make more profits in their sleep. And the returns have suspiciously lowered since the start of the year even though you are not required to withdraw the hot results and can't withdraw the principal, basically they are double-dipping hard.

Where does it say you can't withdraw the principal?

[sunny1]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that?  

Do you have proof of Hyip?

Try looking here: https://bitcoin-trader.biz/results.php

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns", it is the only logical explanation. Any explanation showing they are legitimate would be illogical. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.msg8573261#msg8573261 for example.

Wow, others here are complaining that their results are too low and that they are making more profit elsewhere. Different opinions I guess!

[sunny1]

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns",

Actually those results are unrealistically low for a company that boasts two offices of hired traders. I've seen people make more profits in their sleep. And the returns have suspiciously lowered since the start of the year even though you are not required to withdraw the hot results and can't withdraw the principal, basically they are double-dipping hard.

That's what I am talking about Principal btw can be withdrawn after 120 calendar days, I did it personally many times.

[Keyser Soze]

Because of their high, unrealistic "returns",

Actually those results are unrealistically low for a company that boasts two offices of hired traders. I've seen people make more profits in their sleep. And the returns have suspiciously lowered since the start of the year even though you are not required to withdraw the hot results and can't withdraw the principal, basically they are double-dipping hard.

I must be in the wrong business if people are able to beat BT's "risk free" 0.8% per day (based on recent returns) in their sleep day after day.

[Grinder]

I must be in the wrong business if people are able to beat BT's "risk free" 0.8% per day (based on recent returns) in their sleep day after day.

He's probably talking about other ponzies or people who gamble with pocket change.

[BombaUcigasa]

That's what I am talking about Principal btw can be withdrawn after 120 calendar days, I did it personally many times.

I guess we have different standards of what "withdrawn" means. For me it excludes the 120 days maturation lockdown condition.

Having both the principal and the dividends available, the return should be proportionally higher. With a 3% risk margin, you have delays only if 97% of investors do a bank run.

I must be in the wrong business if people are able to beat BT's "risk free" 0.8% per day (based on recent returns) in their sleep day after day.

He's probably talking about other ponzies or people who gamble with pocket change.

Or maybe not. Some arbitrage bots make 1-3% a day. No weekends or holidays in sight.

[Camille]

I asked if they had any news about the proof of solvency they (supposely) did here is the answer :

Hello Camille

Thank you for being with Bitcoin Trader!

We do not have a ETA for the audit. Once received we will inform our client base via Email.

With best regards,
Bitcoin Trader Support

I'll wait for this email before putting any funds !

[roparker2014]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that? 

Do you have proof of Hyip?

Evidence for it being a HYIP:

It runs on a standard HYIP website template.
They offer unsustainable high rates of return.
It is open to anyone to invest- they accept money from people who are not professional or qualified investors
They use standard HYIP promises that things will be done "soon", but they often aren't (audit for example)
They refuse to divulge details or anything which would prove their profitable trading activity
The owners are, for the most part, anonymous (we have names but nothing that can be linked to a real person)
They only allow payment from payment processors which are known to be accepted by HYIPs - nothing you can chargeback on
They are active on forums where they work to attract new investors but remain silent when asked about "proof" such as an audit
They are listed and monitored on HYIP sites around the web, where the admins are expert on HYIPs and know what should and shouldn't be included on their sites.


Evidence against:

?

Face it: It's a HYIP. Enjoy it for what it is and you hopefully won't get taken for a ride - just hope you get out at the right time.
Do not get greedy and start dreaming how it could be making you thousands of dollars a week, in a few month's time if you keep reinvesting. That won't happen.

[btpro]

Hello bitcoin-traders and sceptician. invested capital 24.200.  gain: 1.62%

Here are the evidences the world is flat (not a globe) and next one about 9/11 inside job proofs (but i guess too much morons here would really believe in it and starting argueing.

Taken directly from 100 proofs the Earth is not a globe.

8. If the Earth were a globe, a small model globe would be the very best - because the truest - thing for the. navigator to take to sea with him. But such a thing as that is not known: with such a toy as a guide, the mariner would wreck his ship, of a certainty!, This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.

Guess they're not all winners eh?

Another classic proof.

15. The idea that, instead of sailing horizontally round the Earth, ships are taken down one side of a globe, then underneath, and are brought up on the other side to get home again, is, except as a mere dream, impossible and absurd! And, since there are neither impossibilities nor absurdities in the simple matter of circumnavigation, it stands without argument, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.

I think someone has fundamentally misunderstood what a proof is supposed to do.

And this one is classic.

17. Human beings require a surface on which to live that, in its general character, shall be LEVEL; and since the Omniscient Creator must have been perfectly acquainted with the requirements of His creatures, it follows that, being an All-wise Creator, He has met them thoroughly. This is a theological proof that the Earth is not a globe.

And this one.

20. The common sense of man tells him - if nothing else told him - that there is an "up" and a "down" in -nature, even as regards the heavens and the earth; but the theory of modern astronomers necessitates the conclusion that there is not: therefore, 'the theory of the astronomers is opposed to common sense - yes, and to inspiration - and this is a common sense proof that the Earth is not a globe


29. If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics - no matter its size - as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one - no matter how large it be. But, as the Earth, which is "supposed" to be a large globe, bas no sides or bottom as the small globe has, the conclusion is irresistible that it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.

[Pheoxy92]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that? 

Do you have proof of Hyip?

Evidence for it being a HYIP:

It runs on a standard HYIP website template.
They offer unsustainable high rates of return.
It is open to anyone to invest- they accept money from people who are not professional or qualified investors
They use standard HYIP promises that things will be done "soon", but they often aren't (audit for example)
They refuse to divulge details or anything which would prove their profitable trading activity
The owners are, for the most part, anonymous (we have names but nothing that can be linked to a real person)
They only allow payment from payment processors which are known to be accepted by HYIPs - nothing you can chargeback on
They are active on forums where they work to attract new investors but remain silent when asked about "proof" such as an audit
They are listed and monitored on HYIP sites around the web, where the admins are expert on HYIPs and know what should and shouldn't be included on their sites.


Evidence against:

?

Face it: It's a HYIP. Enjoy it for what it is and you hopefully won't get taken for a ride - just hope you get out at the right time.
Do not get greedy and start dreaming how it could be making you thousands of dollars a week, in a few month's time if you keep reinvesting. That won't happen.

You have some good points but this point is out of place:
“It is open to anyone to invest- they accept money from people who are not professional or qualified investors”

To do successful arbitrage you need a ton of money , so it would not be strange to accrue the funds needed.
It does not really mater money is money. Its locked for 120 days so they are safe, to use it as the se fit so why bring professionals into it when you don’t need them.

[roparker2014]

Hello bitcoin-trader's and haters. invested capital: 22.580 last income: 0,8%

there was never an audit done. its a hyip, how do you want to audit that?  

Do you have proof of Hyip?

Evidence for it being a HYIP:

It runs on a standard HYIP website template.
They offer unsustainable high rates of return.
It is open to anyone to invest- they accept money from people who are not professional or qualified investors
They use standard HYIP promises that things will be done "soon", but they often aren't (audit for example)
They refuse to divulge details or anything which would prove their profitable trading activity
The owners are, for the most part, anonymous (we have names but nothing that can be linked to a real person)
They only allow payment from payment processors which are known to be accepted by HYIPs - nothing you can chargeback on
They are active on forums where they work to attract new investors but remain silent when asked about "proof" such as an audit
They are listed and monitored on HYIP sites around the web, where the admins are expert on HYIPs and know what should and shouldn't be included on their sites.


Evidence against:

?

Face it: It's a HYIP. Enjoy it for what it is and you hopefully won't get taken for a ride - just hope you get out at the right time.
Do not get greedy and start dreaming how it could be making you thousands of dollars a week, in a few month's time if you keep reinvesting. That won't happen.

You have some good points but this point is out of place:
“It is open to anyone to invest- they accept money from people who are not professional or qualified investors”

To do successful arbitrage you need a ton of money , so it would not be strange to accrue the funds needed.
It does not really mater money is money. Its locked for 120 days so they are safe, to use it as the se fit so why bring professionals into it when you don’t need them.

The reason I made that particular point is that a lot of legitimate, regulated high risk investments are not allowed to market themselves to "ordinary Joes", only professional traders and investors. The fact that this is a very high risk investment, open to anyone, is another sign that it is not legit.

[roparker2014]

Hello bitcoin-traders and sceptician. invested capital 24.200.  gain: 1.62%

Here are the evidences the world is flat (not a globe) and next one about 9/11 inside job proofs (but i guess too much morons here would really believe in it and starting argueing.

Taken directly from 100 proofs the Earth is not a globe.

8. If the Earth were a globe, a small model globe would be the very best - because the truest - thing for the. navigator to take to sea with him. But such a thing as that is not known: with such a toy as a guide, the mariner would wreck his ship, of a certainty!, This is a proof that Earth is not a globe.

Guess they're not all winners eh?

Another classic proof.

15. The idea that, instead of sailing horizontally round the Earth, ships are taken down one side of a globe, then underneath, and are brought up on the other side to get home again, is, except as a mere dream, impossible and absurd! And, since there are neither impossibilities nor absurdities in the simple matter of circumnavigation, it stands without argument, a proof that the Earth is not a globe.

I think someone has fundamentally misunderstood what a proof is supposed to do.

And this one is classic.

17. Human beings require a surface on which to live that, in its general character, shall be LEVEL; and since the Omniscient Creator must have been perfectly acquainted with the requirements of His creatures, it follows that, being an All-wise Creator, He has met them thoroughly. This is a theological proof that the Earth is not a globe.

And this one.

20. The common sense of man tells him - if nothing else told him - that there is an "up" and a "down" in -nature, even as regards the heavens and the earth; but the theory of modern astronomers necessitates the conclusion that there is not: therefore, 'the theory of the astronomers is opposed to common sense - yes, and to inspiration - and this is a common sense proof that the Earth is not a globe


29. If the Earth were a globe, it would, unquestionably, have the same general characteristics - no matter its size - as a small globe that may be stood upon the table. As the small globe has top, bottom, and sides, so must also the large one - no matter how large it be. But, as the Earth, which is "supposed" to be a large globe, bas no sides or bottom as the small globe has, the conclusion is irresistible that it is a proof that the Earth is not a globe.

I am not sure what this is supposed to mean, but there is one fundamental flaw with the logic here - a globe the size of the earth and a globe of desktop size, would have far different gravitational forces acting on it. The lack of gravity is what accounts for the differences between globes of those sizes.