rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)

[rpietila]

I'm beginning to wonder if a few of the old bitcoin names didn't get off as lightly as Risto. Though having said that a few have reappeared recently in other places.

If you do some research, quite a lot of mystery there.

I perhaps "got away" for the reason that I am a Finn and unable to be coerced, so they needed to choose between killing me or leaving alone (no middle ground). Perhaps luckily, I never had that many bitcoins and now have almost none, with the intention to give the rest away soon.

Also this insistence of being in public is definitely a good "insurance" and refusing to accept any stigma for being thrown to the asylum, any more than Gandhi, MLK, etc were ashamed of their imprisonings and tortures. It just is part of being a freedom fighter. Ridiculing it is just so incredibly lame. Look at yourself! The jesuit-zionist world order (in your language "government") is doing very well without you throwing one more stone.

[Hyena]

If you do some research, quite a lot of mystery there.

I perhaps "got away" for the reason that I am a Finn and unable to be coerced, so they needed to choose between killing me or leaving alone (no middle ground). Perhaps luckily, I never had that many bitcoins and now have almost none, with the intention to give the rest away soon.

Okey let me get this straight ... your bitcoins were confiscated and you were imprisoned for some time for doing what? I need to study your case to avoid similar shit happening to myself. What are your tips to others like you? What drew that much attention to you?  Who did you piss off and with what?

[rjclarke2000]

Risto why would you give them away??

[rpietila]

Risto why would you give them away??

I have realized that my ability to do good for humanity is not that much dependent on my wealth. In a theoretical, ideal society without evil repression, it might be. In a world where we live, however, rich people cannot go even close to what I do to expose kosmos (the satanic world system) yet remain rich at the same time. It is not possible. They take your riches away if you do!

Riches are a snare to man, the desire to keep them seals your mouth from speaking up, much better than any open suppression. Only once you make the resolve to let go of the riches, when you swear that your mission in life and your wealth are orthogonal, you may use your wealth to further the mission, but never dilute the mission in a quest to retain or increase wealth, THEN you are truly free from wealth.

In my case, I have always wanted to be rich, I viewed it as my destiny and I would so much have liked that the rules of the game were fair, as they are in Monopoly among the players. Then I could amass more than anyone and serve the world with my fortune. Now, I have seen enough (been Founder-CEO 15 years now in many companies) that business is vanity and chasing of the wind, and not worth spending your time on, because the playground is tilted to the corporate web that is controlled by the same people who control central banking.

So, with some sadness, I have forsaken both my health (which has been getting worse every year, not sure if natural) and wealth, to treasure my mission to expose the evil of the world and glorify Jesus Christ.

[macsga]

[...] It just is part of being a freedom fighter. [...]

If you've ever had the chance to watch the movie "God Loves Caviar" you'd certainly remember, that one of the last musings of the narrator about the acts of Capitan Varvakis, was that "He was the most dangerous person on Earth because he dared to dream; that alone made him free". We Greeks, tend to give presents to each other every New Year's Eve. The best ones I've ever received were not expensive, but also, it was impossible for someone to buy them. As an act of goodwill from me to all of you, I offer you this gift. It lasts 15 minutes and it's a speech from Yannis Smaragdis (the director of the aforementioned movie). The speech is in Greek, but it has CC from YoutTube and it has an excellent translation.

Enjoy a prosperous 2016!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcfuL-JSo4M

[rjclarke2000]

You are obviously a very clever man and very successful. I have read a lot of your posts since I first joined.

Good to see people doing nice things for others. I hope to be able to do the same one day myself.

[Hyena]

Let's stay specific. We are talking about those youtube videos, and it is easy to show what is going on there. Please point me to where we disagree. We need to find some common ground here.

(1) Those balls of fluid that are spinning there are not bound by the gravitational force. They are bound by cohesion. It's why water drops stick together. An interesting property of cohesion forces is that the net force is only non-zero at the boundary of the drop/ball. Inside, the net force is zero (easy to explain, but easier if you agree).

That is correct. Although I am aware of experiments of objects falling in vacuum side by side and interestingly some force pulls them closer to each other as they fall. From here we can deduce that gravity is effective on the small scale as well as on the large scale.

(2) Those balls spin around once every several seconds. That centrifugal force is significant.

You can increase the centrifugal force by either making the object spin faster or adding more mass but keeping the rotation speed the same. Earth may rotate slowly but it surely weighs more than the ball of water in the video.

(3) The self-gravity of the drops/balls is negligible. You cannot do that experiment with a ball of sand of any reasonable size in a lab.

So what? The rotating water ball video is not a proof of the hollow earth but instead it visualizes the concept which could very well apply to planet formation.

(4) On the shell of the Earth, we are bound to it by gravity. That is, there is a force downward that scales with an object's mass.

On the outer surface or on the inner surface of Earth? On the inner surface of a hollow and rotating object there is also this "simulated" gravity which is actually the centrifugal force. On the outer surface the centrifugal force works against the gravitational pull.

(5) The centrifugal force on Earth is smaller than the gravitational force. Otherwise, you would be swung into space. Rotates once every 24hrs.

Not necessarily. If the centrifugal force is only a little bit larger than the gravitational force it could take billions of years for the planet to fall apart. It could also be possible that the centrifugal force and gravity are in an equilibrium on Earth.

(6) Heavy objects tend to sink to the center in a fluid-like substance (easy to explain, but easier if you agree, since it is a common observation).

What do you mean by the centre? When the fluid-like substance is rotating then heavy objects rise to the rims of the rotating sphere of fluid as seen in the video.

We need to find some common ground first...

Perhaps what you misinterpreted is my intentions. I am not trying to prove the hollow earth theory. I am trying to punch holes into the Copercnican system. It's much easier to destroy than it is to create. And apparently I am more of a destroyer than creator

[Fatman3001]

@rpietila

But all of this has to be weighted against the problem of stark raving mad individuals being released too early and starts ranting about saving the world from the imaginary jesuit/zionist conspiracy. Granted, the line between political extremist and dangerous loon might be iffy some times. And even mental health personnel can make mistakes. But just doing nothing is irresponsible. Some people need to be rescued from themselves. By the way, do you take any meds or do you maintain that it was all a big conspiracy and you're fit as a fiddle? Another thing, was this the same committal you earlier claimed was voluntary?

Best Regards

[Hyena]

Then I misinterpreted that...

Actually I just changed my mind. I do not intend to punch holes just into the copernican system. I want to put the whole system under pressure so that it would either break or persist. If there are any weak points in our current understanding of the cosmos then I would love to keep punching those weak points until they are no longer weak points or the whole thing falls apart. Copernican system has its flaws.

My personal suspicion is that the Earth is hollow and although the Copernican system is correct we live on the inside surface of that hollow earth rather than on the outside surface. What we see in the sky may or may not be what we have been told. Since moon landing was a hoax and Mars rover is a scam, I don't have enough information to say anything about the nature of things beyond the Van Allen's belt. The Russians who drilled 12 km deep hole discovered that in contrary to their expectations the earth actually became less dense as they drilled deeper. This could mean that they drilled past the centre of gravity and that the Earth's crust is not as thick as we have been told.

Since there is a giant hologram already cast upon our Moon to hide what is really on the Moon it is not far fetched to extrapolate that other astral bodies may also be just holograms. It's pointless to argue with me on that because you cannot prove nor disprove it. Pretty much the only thing we can actually prove in this whole context of conspiracies is the concavity of Earth and entrances/exits at the poles of Earth. Alternatively, it would be great if we got to see video footage of Earth from space (as high as possible) that does not use fish eye camera. If the horizon up there is still on the eye level then it is a definite indicator that the Earth is concave or at least flat.

[rpietila]

@rpietila

But all of this has to be weighted against the problem of stark raving mad individuals being released too early and starts ranting about saving the world from the imaginary jesuit/zionist conspiracy. Granted, the line between political extremist and dangerous loon might be iffy some times. And even mental health personnel can make mistakes. But just doing nothing is irresponsible. Some people needs to be rescued from themselves. By the way, do you take any meds or do you maintain that it was all a big conspiracy and you're fit as a fiddle? Another thing, was this the same committal you earlier claimed was voluntary?

Best Regards

Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.

Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem.

Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem.


The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours.  

[Hyena]

Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.

Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem.

Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem.

The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours.  

In Estonia you can get fined 30 euros when someone complains that it is slippery in front of your house. Makes me want to live off the grid more and more.

[rpietila]

Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.

Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem.

Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem.

The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours.  

In Estonia you can get fined 30 euros when someone complains that it is slippery in front of your house. Makes me want to live off the grid more and more.

Oh you also live in Estonia what a coincidence! My project is to make the Bitcoin Castle (Malla mõis) self-sufficient. Wanna team up?

[vokain]

I was hoping for some trading wisdom, instead we got dreams.

I believe he was giving trading advice if you read between the lines.

Nope, he was mostly going on about more nonsense and was followed by others of his ilk, who believe in it as well.

Anyone who puts higher faith in dreams are no different than early man who had no understanding of our wondrous existence.  Putting faith in dreams is stuff you would expect from your great-grandmother from the motherland.

I'm glad they had the Dream. If my great-grandmother didn't I don't know if I'd be here!

[Hyena]

Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.

Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem.

Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem.

The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours.  

In Estonia you can get fined 30 euros when someone complains that it is slippery in front of your house. Makes me want to live off the grid more and more.

Oh you also live in Estonia what a coincidence! My project is to make the Bitcoin Castle (Malla mõis) self-sufficient. Wanna team up?

Sounds like an interesting experiment I suppose. I'm also interested in digging and building nuclear fallout shelters so if your castle needs one it would be even more interesting for me to team up with you. And I love the concept of self-sufficiency. It takes power away from the government and big corporations and it gives it to the people who are willing to work. It also eradicates socialist parasitism from the society.

[afbitcoins]

Some great discussion here, enjoyed looking at the concave earth idea in particular. Sometimes its great to dive in and test what you know or think you know. I love hearing a new theory the crazier sounding the better. Sometimes they cant easily be discounted.

In terms of planet formation I think the mainstream view that they form out of an accretion disk sounds lovely but is not really proven despite the widespread acceptance of the idea. As I understand it there are problems like where did all the angular momentum come from if it started as a cloud collapsing in on itself ?

Best alternative views in my opinion come from the Electric Universe, see here http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/  

I think some of the out-the-box thinkers in here might like some of the ideas discussed in the Electric Universe.

Unfortunatley most of what they talk about does sound crazy at first which I think is main reason they are not taken much more seriously as they deserve to be. Eg, the sun is powered by galactic electric currents not internal nuclear fusion. Red shift is intrisic, not a function of distance. Maybe most crazy of all the earth was a satellite of Saturn only a few thousands of years ago and in memory of humans. There is serious evidence to back up these ideas though.

[vhaasteren]

Actually I just changed my mind. I do not intend to punch holes just into the copernican system. I want to put the whole system under pressure so that it would either break or persist. If there are any weak points in our current understanding of the cosmos then I would love to keep punching those weak points until they are no longer weak points or the whole thing falls apart. Copernican system has its flaws.

My personal suspicion is that the Earth is hollow and although the Copernican system is correct we live on the inside surface of that hollow earth rather than on the outside surface. What we see in the sky may or may not be what we have been told. Since moon landing was a hoax and Mars rover is a scam, I don't have enough information to say anything about the nature of things beyond the Van Allen's belt. The Russians who drilled 12 km deep hole discovered that in contrary to their expectations the earth actually became less dense as they drilled deeper. This could mean that they drilled past the centre of gravity and that the Earth's crust is not as thick as we have been told.

Since there is a giant hologram already cast upon our Moon to hide what is really on the Moon it is not far fetched to extrapolate that other astral bodies may also be just holograms. It's pointless to argue with me on that because you cannot prove nor disprove it. Pretty much the only thing we can actually prove in this whole context of conspiracies is the concavity of Earth and entrances/exits at the poles of Earth. Alternatively, it would be great if we got to see video footage of Earth from space (as high as possible) that does not use fish eye camera. If the horizon up there is still on the eye level then it is a definite indicator that the Earth is concave or at least flat.

Ok, well, I tried to give you all my two cents. I'll leave it at that. I hope the new space missions of the next two decades (going to the moon again, as Europe is planning, and going to Mars) will demonstrate for you once and for all that these conspiracy theories are incorrect.

Happy new year.

[fisheater22]

...
Riches are a snare to man, the desire to keep them seals your mouth from speaking up, much better than any open suppression.

...and also, them riches supply your "2004 DP[sic]", rent embarrassing 70s Rollses, buy overpriced cigars and pay for derelict insane asylums in the middle of East Dumbfuck Nowhere castles and hotel saunas, to leave your unsecured iProduct in portals to non-derelict mental facilities-cum-torture dungeons operated by Saurian Jews.

Only once you make the resolve to let go of the riches, when you swear that your mission in life and your wealth are orthogonal, you may use your wealth to further the mission, but never dilute the mission in a quest to retain or increase wealth, THEN you are truly free from wealth.

Or, you know, just leave an unsecured MacBook in another hotel sauna.
That'll prob'ly work too

[afbitcoins]

Actually I just changed my mind. I do not intend to punch holes just into the copernican system. I want to put the whole system under pressure so that it would either break or persist. If there are any weak points in our current understanding of the cosmos then I would love to keep punching those weak points until they are no longer weak points or the whole thing falls apart. Copernican system has its flaws.

IMO The weak points to attack are this, Gravity and  Dark Matter

(I cant go with you that we are living inside a hollow earth though. eg Why do i see the horizon when i look into the distance?, if it was concave I should see more earth fading up into the sky shouldnt I? )

[Fatman3001]

@rpietila

But all of this has to be weighted against the problem of stark raving mad individuals being released too early and starts ranting about saving the world from the imaginary jesuit/zionist conspiracy. Granted, the line between political extremist and dangerous loon might be iffy some times. And even mental health personnel can make mistakes. But just doing nothing is irresponsible. Some people needs to be rescued from themselves. By the way, do you take any meds or do you maintain that it was all a big conspiracy and you're fit as a fiddle? Another thing, was this the same committal you earlier claimed was voluntary?

Best Regards

Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.

Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem.

Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem.


The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours.  

I happen to have two good friends who I respect immensely who both are what the rest of us call geniuses. And they both had mental incidents (they coincidentally both ran around naked screaming they were Jesus and were going to save the world) that landed them involuntarily committed. And they both managed to get back to a fairly normal life after their treatment (one of them is now a lecturer at a very prestigious university) as long as they took their meds. Although my language in previous posts might have been coloured by my repulsion at your anti-semitic views, I say this with as much compassion as I can muster: Please get help! Take your meds if you have them and get treatment now! Denial is not a good sign!

[fisheater22]

... Why do i see the horizon when i look into the distance?

What part of "you're living a lie" don't you get? Have you even watched "They Live"?!
Who you gonna trust, Hyena or your lying eyes?