rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)

[JayJuanGee]

to suggest that there need NOT be any community pooling of money or that these services will be accomplished voluntarily seems sheer lunacy to me.

Yes, this is what people have always done. Tax = extortion, community pooling = sharing and caring 

I am NOT providing any solution exactly or even making the claim that above you seem to be attributing to me.  All I am suggesting is that there are a lot of worthy services performed by community and government at various levels, and those services need money (and/or community contributions of individuals) in order to accomplish them.  In this regard, you were the one who seemed to be making the assertion that government serves NO role and taxes serve NO purpose.   Accordingly, if you want to make such assertions, then maybe you need to describe your vision with some better details, rather than merely arguing for the total abolition of such without any meaningful substitutes or transitions to take their place... unless you are ascribing the mass suffering of a multitude of people?

to suggest that there need NOT be any community pooling of money or that these services will be accomplished voluntarily seems sheer lunacy to me.

I have quite resently realized that despite my full time efforts of several years, there is still more to learn about how the world works. So I have no time to argue. If you want to get it, you slowly do. Very slowly. (unless you are smarter than me). I will just share some inspirationals here; my ability to concentrate does not allow writing conscise works atm, also they would find very little audience.

Certainly, I am NOT wanting to argue either - but I am just pointing out the absurdity of any statement that we need to abolish all taxes.  Those kinds of statements are frequently used by the very people who want to weaken and minimize government in order to exploit regular people in a variety of ways.

Watchman Nee is perhaps the most important Christian in the 20th century. How many copies his collected works has sold?

I don't know, but when I bought mine, it was still in first edition, 5,000 printed.

I have little knowledge of the teachings of Watchman Nee and/or whether those teachings apply to your comments regarding getting rid of taxes and by extension the services of government.

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[RAJSALLIN]

The fact that conspirators carefully avoid leaving hard evidence doesn't make the claims true, either.

their aims are all in your face (FATCA, etc.). The aim of the control grid is to milk every taxable cent from the peasants wherever they go (and the power of expropriating them just pressing a button). This for the masses. For higher levels knowing the dirty laundry of everyone makes them blackmailable.

I might add. It is about power, not about money. The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce.

There is no need to collect taxes, if there was no need to enslave people in the system. When you pay taxes next time, remember that none of it (in general) is used in anything else but to enslave you even more with the system. If all taxes would be abolished, the people would do just fine. The production of useful goods would not suffer. Only all the jobs that only exist to systematize human life would disappear since no one would even consider paying for them from his own pocket.

No it was not always like this. This is the endgame. Most of the degradation has happened in the last 50 years, and the last 25 years have already brought great advances, but also shown the totality of the dystopy that the self-proclaimed "elite" will want to force on us. In my understanding, we are about to enter in the millennial kingdom, and the evil enslavement plans will suffer loss.

Personally what puzzles me the most, is how it's only so tiny percentage of people who get it. It's just sad to see them in the law courts judging me for non-compliance with the enslavement, and nothing at all they understand what is going on. Christians, at minimum, should realize that compliance with the enemy is not ok. And with adequate revelation, this does force some changes in your life (to the better, ofc )

Great post!!
Please put more time into posts like this instead of your silly Monero game.

[McHaggis]

In Rpietila's case I couldn't comment because I don't know how Estonia breaks down its tax spending, however using the following chart as a rough estimate (I know is only for the UK and also out of date) I would find it very hard to simply strike out a large portion of it and claim it wasn't needed: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/297810/Just-where-does-all-your-tax-go

However with that being said, I wouldn't say that the money was being spent as -efficiently- as possible in certain areas.

[NotLambchop]

...The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce...

Bitcoiners buying ASICs to burn electricity to buy next gen ASICs to burn more electricity to buy next gen ASICs--would you classify them amongst the 10% or the 90?

[hdbuck]

...The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce...

Bitcoiners buying ASICs to burn electricity to buy next gen ASICs to burn more electricity to buy next gen ASICs--would you classify them amongst the 10% or the 90?

Lol i see what you did here.. Funny. Still its not the same thing. mining is no work to pay taxes.. Its a hobby!

[Gillestuga]

Great post!!
Please put more time into posts like this instead of your silly Monero game.

+1

I really miss these high quality bitcoin/monero/economics/filosofy post of yours, rpietila. Please come back!

[NotLambchop]

...The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce...

Bitcoiners buying ASICs to burn electricity to buy next gen ASICs to burn more electricity to buy next gen ASICs--would you classify them amongst the 10% or the 90?

Lol i see what you did here.. Funny. Still its not the same thing. mining is no work to pay taxes.. Its a hobby!

Hobby?

[JorgeStolfi]

mining is no work to pay taxes.. Its a hobby!

Beware: AFAIK, if you are in the US, the IRS wants you to pay income tax on what you mine (or receive from a pool).  I believe the equivalent is true in most other countries.

[NotLambchop]

When hobbies go wrong...


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9451926#msg9451926

[goxed]

What caused the fire? Did they overdraw amps on the power lines? or just loose-connections?

[dothebeats]

When hobbies go wrong...


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9451926#msg9451926

Woah! That's completely fcked up man. If mining isn't that profitable anymore and this here happens to you? Just, damn.

[NotLambchop]

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Woah! That's completely fcked up man. If mining isn't that profitable anymore and this here happens to you? Just, damn.

Funkiest electrical fire I've ever seen.  Those Spondoolies boxen must be stuffed with accelerants...

[fairglu]

Hobby?

Whose is it?

[NotLambchop]

^A Swedish hobby outfit called Kncminer AB.

[cbeast]

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Woah! That's completely fcked up man. If mining isn't that profitable anymore and this here happens to you? Just, damn.

Funkiest electrical fire I've ever seen.  Those Spondoolies boxen must be stuffed with accelerants...

More permanent than a DDOS attack. Is the competition heating up?

[rpietila]

Watchman Nee is perhaps the most important Christian in the 20th century. How many copies his collected works has sold?

I don't know, but when I bought mine, it was still in first edition, 5,000 printed.

I have little knowledge of the teachings of Watchman Nee and/or whether those teachings apply to your comments regarding getting rid of taxes and by extension the services of government.

Exactly! How could you have any knowledge if only 5,000 is printed, some it unsold, and most of it in the hands of people who already had some clue when they bought. 

This was my point. I have some advanced knowledge of things, but currently it is understandable by so few people (and they know it already) that there is no audience. It is therefore not the most profitable use of my time to write high-level stuff, except when I have a great burden and then it just comes out ("rant").

Please put more time into posts like this instead of your silly Monero game.

For everything, there is a season. The "silly game" may also become something great and important, you never know.

I do apologize for the influx of game-related posts in my "Latest of this person" feed, but that situation should change in 2 weeks as the game goes online and we can communicate there.

[molecular]

The fact that conspirators carefully avoid leaving hard evidence doesn't make the claims true, either.

their aims are all in your face (FATCA, etc.). The aim of the control grid is to milk every taxable cent from the peasants wherever they go (and the power of expropriating them just pressing a button). This for the masses. For higher levels knowing the dirty laundry of everyone makes them blackmailable.

I might add. It is about power, not about money. The world is abundant with resources currently, it can be proven by observing that 90% of people in western countries do not do useful work, rather all they do is connected to generating money to pay taxes, and the taxes in turn pay the jobs that do not exist to produce anything, except more suffocating control and making it even more difficult for the minuscule minority to live and produce.

There is no need to collect taxes, if there was no need to enslave people in the system. When you pay taxes next time, remember that none of it (in general) is used in anything else but to enslave you even more with the system. If all taxes would be abolished, the people would do just fine. The production of useful goods would not suffer. Only all the jobs that only exist to systematize human life would disappear since no one would even consider paying for them from his own pocket.

No it was not always like this. This is the endgame. Most of the degradation has happened in the last 50 years, and the last 25 years have already brought great advances, but also shown the totality of the dystopy that the self-proclaimed "elite" will want to force on us. In my understanding, we are about to enter in the millennial kingdom, and the evil enslavement plans will suffer loss.

Personally what puzzles me the most, is how it's only so tiny percentage of people who get it. It's just sad to see them in the law courts judging me for non-compliance with the enslavement, and nothing at all they understand what is going on. Christians, at minimum, should realize that compliance with the enemy is not ok. And with adequate revelation, this does force some changes in your life (to the better, ofc )

Great post!!
Please put more time into posts like this instead of your silly Monero game.

+1. the old Risto is back

[marcus_of_augustus]

yeah hobby ... for the small timers
http://coinminernews.com/category/mining-equipment/

[YogoH]

LOL, People making fun of mining as a hobby when their hobbies include posting on an obscure message board about the pitfalls of a new digital currency.

[JayJuanGee]

Watchman Nee is perhaps the most important Christian in the 20th century. How many copies his collected works has sold?

I don't know, but when I bought mine, it was still in first edition, 5,000 printed.

I have little knowledge of the teachings of Watchman Nee and/or whether those teachings apply to your comments regarding getting rid of taxes and by extension the services of government.

Exactly! How could you have any knowledge if only 5,000 is printed, some it unsold, and most of it in the hands of people who already had some clue when they bought. 

This was my point. I have some advanced knowledge of things, but currently it is understandable by so few people (and they know it already) that there is no audience. It is therefore not the most profitable use of my time to write high-level stuff, except when I have a great burden and then it just comes out ("rant").

You are talking non-sense.  If there is some kind of explanation regarding the set up of a society without government, then surely that can be explained rather than asserting that you have some obscure knowledge that solves everything, but such knowledge is at too high of a level to take the time to explain.