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[pedrog]

I have a question about the affiliate program, in the description it says " Affiliate earnings paid monthly (must have over 2 BTC in earnings or account rolls over, you never lose credit)", I've noticed that chips generated from my referrals are being added to my balance in 24 hours or so after confirmed.

So, no 2 BTC minimum required? I assume I can play with those chips, right?

I think that is a typo.

It is not 2 BTC, it is 2 seals chips (0.002 BTC)


dave23

Oh, that changes everything, thank you!

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[FreeMoney]

I have a question about the affiliate program, in the description it says " Affiliate earnings paid monthly (must have over 2 BTC in earnings or account rolls over, you never lose credit)", I've noticed that chips generated from my referrals are being added to my balance in 24 hours or so after confirmed.

So, no 2 BTC minimum required? I assume I can play with those chips, right?

That is old and left over from when affiliate payments were manual and 2 BTC was a cheap meal.

As long as you've earned a full single chip that you haven't been paid for you'll get it on Monday.

There is no pop up notification for affiliate payments like there are for rakeback, but you can see your payments using a link near the bottom of the My Account page.

[Micon]

requesting free chips usename faiza1990 

ah, I remember back in the day when we would give out free chips on a simple request.  We haven't done that for a long time but we faithfully keep our totally free freeroll up popping off 1x per hour. 

An ongoing problem that I have is disconnects.  They seem, but I can not prove, that they happen far more often when I have a hot hand or when I am near or at the money line in a tournement. 

Why would hands be jazzed up...?  More excitement, and.. more rake.

Just my opinions

1)  disconnects are being worked on by the ST6: connectivity team.  We will resolve the issue, our team works extremely hard each day

2) "jazzing up" hands would take an even more monumental effort than "running the largest bitcoin poker site."   The theory about "poker is rigged" can be attributed to the human brain not quite grasping large-scale independent probabilities.

I have a question about the affiliate program...

So, no 2 BTC minimum required? I assume I can play with those chips, right?

1)  micon@sealswithclubs.eu for all affiliate Q's & to sign up.

2)  Freemoney already mentioned the error, we pay any positive balance weekly.  Of course you can play poker with those chips or instantly cash out to a hash, no BS ever. 

* sidenote:  I laugh at "traditional" online sites that make rules like "you have to play x amount of hands in order to take YOUR money out"  As a player I know what it feels like to have a site dick you around.  We simply have tried to remove all of that BS from SwC.   IMO bitcoin is about making your money under your direct control, and the poker site of said currency should certainly echo that.  I know many ppl use SwC simply as a wallet, which is totally fine - please use us as a free service if you'd like.

[darkmule]

2) "jazzing up" hands would take an even more monumental effort than "running the largest bitcoin poker site."   The theory about "poker is rigged" can be attributed to the human brain not quite grasping large-scale independent probabilities.

Totally not a rigtard here, but I'd like to see a fair PLO being spread so I could play it.  I just don't play that game with nicks I don't recognize, and I usually don't.  Not sure how to deal with the collusion issue other than avoiding it.

[FreeMoney]

We have maintenance downtime scheduled for 11am ET Friday the 23rd. It should last 30 minutes or less. Some tournaments that would otherwise be interrupted will be canceled we'll have a nice freeroll afterwards.

[makebitcoin]

2) "jazzing up" hands would take an even more monumental effort than "running the largest bitcoin poker site."   The theory about "poker is rigged" can be attributed to the human brain not quite grasping large-scale independent probabilities.

Totally not a rigtard here, but I'd like to see a fair PLO being spread so I could play it.  I just don't play that game with nicks I don't recognize, and I usually don't.  Not sure how to deal with the collusion issue other than avoiding it.

Personally I would advise you to play heads up. There are numerous occasion when there was talk about collusion on the highest games on the internet on PokerStars and almost every major site.
On Stars and the other sites you have to be doxxed and they have very complex systems to check against collusion.
Some forms of collusion just aren't detectable.
For example sharing of huge amounts of action between players (especially dangerous if they are playing short handed).
We just have to deal with this issue because playing anonymous is necessary for the development of online poker.
HUD's/databases have destroyed the beautiful old school days of online poker.

[Dabs]

There needs to be some kind of hash of the deck, which is revealed after the hand.  It needs to work in such a way that allows players to verify that all visible cards, and the order dealt, are consistent with the hashed deck.

I'll let individuals decide if they want to keep their mucked cards secret or not, the site shouldn't publish them if it involves any amount of real money. Play money is fair game, you might as well reveal the entire deck afterwards.

I do have a possible solution that already allows players to verify visible cards, the order dealt, and consistent with the hashed deck.

one possible idea along these same lines is a private-public key system where my un-seen holecards can have 2 different private keys and I could then "show 1"  if I wanted after the hand.  Maybe the public keys could checksum to prove it's a valid deck without revealing the actual cards. 

just 1 non-programmers' idea that isn't exactly a solution...

Micon, you're actually on to something, if not exactly like that, then something similar.

[Sicilian]

I just find provably fair to be an awful lot of effort for poker, with little advantage.  The deal can be provably fair all you want, but if a site wants to cheat you they will not rig the deal, they will just have players that can see your hole cards.  Much easier from a programming perspective.  Does not affect statistical card frequencies.  Can be used in subtle ways so that they don't stick out like Potripper.  In the end, unlike a Satoshi dice site or the like, you simply have to be able to trust a poker site.

[donk4u]

Dutch playing in the 2013 main event. Watched a hand where he was all in after making the money and hitting a 3 outer on river to survive. He wasn't wearing any seals apparel! Lame. Never knew he was in a big hand with moneymaker sick hand with the 33 vs kq race.

[Dabs]

I just find provably fair to be an awful lot of effort for poker, with little advantage.  The deal can be provably fair all you want, but if a site wants to cheat you they will not rig the deal, they will just have players that can see your hole cards.  Much easier from a programming perspective.  Does not affect statistical card frequencies.  Can be used in subtle ways so that they don't stick out like Potripper.  In the end, unlike a Satoshi dice site or the like, you simply have to be able to trust a poker site.

When it gets implemented properly, the only things left are the following: super-users and collusion. There's little you can do about the last one (except for people to actively monitor it), but restricted admin access is one way of taking care of the first.

As for dice sites, they can always cheat their investors, whether that's SD trading on a securities exchange, or JD with their built-in "invest" feature. You just have to rely on the operators that they won't do that.

All gaming sites know their own secrets, thus they can play their own sockpuppets and win. The only exceptions are games which determine a winner after a set deadline, with all the secrets they use unknown until after that time. Like a lotto.

All other games which are real time, can't work that way, otherwise no one will play because you have this stupid delay for every turn or something. Imagine if you played a dice site, and you'll only find out if you won or lost tomorrow? (That's exactly how my lotto works btw, but people are told specifically to wait for the results.)

That's almost a given with the more popular gaming websites. Some things, you have to just trust. Otherwise, don't play there.

[Micon]

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micon at ourpokersitesoddname dot eu to sign up for the affiliate program or for any issue at all.  My digital door is always open.

[Rebelution]

What is SwC transaction log policy?  Are deposits / withdrawals and internal transfers stored forever?

[bybitcoin]

May I ask you for some Fixed Limit Holdém promotion? It is a nice game and though I know most of the crowd prefer more thrilling NLHE arena but FLHE is a skill maker and more important a good place for bankroll building as well, and I think the biggest bitcoin poker room should have a good FLHE game selection as well. I suggest such provisions:
1- Having at lease one permanent FLHE 6max table open at each stake (even the lowest available stakes) and making some 3x or 2x krill promotion for table starters.
2- Placing some regular guaranteed FLHE mtts to attract players into the action.

[darkmule]

2) "jazzing up" hands would take an even more monumental effort than "running the largest bitcoin poker site."   The theory about "poker is rigged" can be attributed to the human brain not quite grasping large-scale independent probabilities.

Totally not a rigtard here, but I'd like to see a fair PLO being spread so I could play it.  I just don't play that game with nicks I don't recognize, and I usually don't.  Not sure how to deal with the collusion issue other than avoiding it.

Personally I would advise you to play heads up. There are numerous occasion when there was talk about collusion on the highest games on the internet on PokerStars and almost every major site.

Yeah, but I suck at heads up except LHE and LO8.  And most of the players who currently play those games at any level worth playing are also really good, so unless I can find total idiots, the rake is going to eat any potential profit.  Also, heads-up is kind of stressful and requires actually paying attention. 

[HappyScamp]

Once Again!

I am heads up at the bottom end of a tournament and the fucking god damn software disconnects.

Rest of the internet working fine.

By the time I can get back in, a third of my chips are gone.

[Micon]

Once Again!

I am heads up at the bottom end of a tournament and the fucking god damn software disconnects.

Rest of the internet working fine.

By the time I can get back in, a third of my chips are gone.

I get them too occasionally on SwC. 

After speaking with ST6, these issues are known and we are working on them.   IMO using the "no disconnect" client seems to help, and I can sort of feel it re-connect sometimes after ~5 seconds or so. 

IMO it happens to me ~3x per week, which is clearly unacceptable but also IMO the site is so soft ATM it's still insanely +EV even with the disco issue.

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[darkmule]

Is that damn Mac or Linux client anywhere near in the works yet?  I've basically quit playing because the constant disconnects on the web client make it a total waste of time to play.

[spike420211]

A couple subtle hints for future reference:

> bots and colluders SUCK @ draw

> Pot-Limit [52-card, not that 32-card crap] draw, Stars and Tilt style,
is awesome 6-handed [and a good rake generator] cash game

> Same with NL KC lowball [duece-seven single draw]

> Badugi [6 OR 8 handed] iz awesome for tourneys!

> Did I mention that
     bots and colluders SUCK @ draw?

oh yeah, sry

sincerely,
$pike

[Dabs]

Is that damn Mac or Linux client anywhere near in the works yet?  I've basically quit playing because the constant disconnects on the web client make it a total waste of time to play.

Shouldn't the web client be more "connected" than a desktop client? If SwC uses Poker Mavens, they will upgrade the flash client to HTML5 soon.

[Micon]

A couple subtle hints for future reference:

> bots and colluders SUCK @ draw

> Pot-Limit [52-card, not that 32-card crap] draw, Stars and Tilt style,
is awesome 6-handed [and a good rake generator] cash game

> Same with NL KC lowball [duece-seven single draw]

> Badugi [6 OR 8 handed] iz awesome for tourneys!

> Did I mention that
     bots and colluders SUCK @ draw?

oh yeah, sry

sincerely,
$pike

Agree in general, can't wait for draw games.  Q1 2014 best guess.

Is that damn Mac or Linux client anywhere near in the works yet?  I've basically quit playing because the constant disconnects on the web client make it a total waste of time to play.

Shouldn't the web client be more "connected" than a desktop client? If SwC uses Poker Mavens, they will upgrade the flash client to HTML5 soon.

At this stage our system is so heavily modified it's unfair to think of it as any sort of a regular Poker Mavens installation.  Many moving parts, lots of ins, outs and whathaveyous.  The disconnect issue is a top priority at this stage. 

If you could only see the nerds chugging along behind the scenes.  SwC is working hard.  We are going to correct every issue and drop the nasty on you in a relatively short amount of time.   I think you can look at our past operating history and see that the entire team cares deeply about this project.  We are committed to taking SwC to the next level.