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June 10, 2013, 06:52:51 AM
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 Ender the guy who writes the staking program shouldn't be allowed to play in tournaments imo as it is a conflict of interest imo. I mean I have seen this guy run like god since I have been on the site. I have never bothered to check his graph until today and his graph is beyond  ridiculous. The guy has won 60 bitcoins since APRIL in about 2 months. Someone should post his graph on here there is not one downward spike in it over a 700 plus sample size .  Im not a computer programmer by any means but I feel someone who is writing the stakes program shouldn't have access to the tournaments he is getting enough compensation  by getting paid on all stakes on all winning players. There are other players who run well also but they don't write the stakes programs. Lets post the graph and see if it warrants looking into.

A lot of the tourneys would not meet guarantees if not for stakes that are offered by Ender and the service he provides for seals is benefiting Ender as well as Seals I feel its a big conflict of interest and the graph he has is suspect .

Aside from his graph being ridiculous its like he is freerolling every tournament because he has unlimited funds he is getting for writing the stakes software. It is like he is the bank as well as being a player.
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June 10, 2013, 07:18:08 AM
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A lot of the tourneys would not meet guarantees if not for stakes that are offered by Ender and the service he provides for seals is benefiting Ender as well as Seals I feel its a big conflict of interest and the graph he has is suspect .

I don't personally see how it's a conflict of interest.  If you could show he was donking off his chips to people he was staking or something, then I think you might have something.  But being successful at tournaments is not a conflict of interest.  Even playing in tournaments where you are staking others isn't a problem. It happens all the time.  It's only a problem if you start playing those players differently because of it.  And that should be pretty easy to tell just by watching him play.
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June 10, 2013, 07:21:55 AM
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A lot of the tourneys would not meet guarantees if not for stakes that are offered by Ender and the service he provides for seals is benefiting Ender as well as Seals I feel its a big conflict of interest and the graph he has is suspect .

I don't personally see how it's a conflict of interest.  If you could show he was donking off his chips to people he was staking or something, then I think you might have something.  But being successful at tournaments is not a conflict of interest.  Even playing in tournaments where you are staking others isn't a problem. It happens all the time.  It's only a problem if you start playing those players differently because of it.  And that should be pretty easy to tell just by watching him play.

Well lets post his graphs. Even so if nothing untoward is happening he has unlimited funds and could play every tournament on seals and have mounds and mounds of  money left over so he has a huge advantage  over the regular seals player in that regard alone and is freerolling all the tournaments he is in aside from having improbable statistics. Ender is the house in that he is able to fund every tourney if need be through compensation he gets for his stakes program so that's where I say it is a conflict of interest.  playing poker should be a level playing field and he has a huge advantage any way you look at it.
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June 10, 2013, 07:41:39 AM
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For anyone who doesn't know, SealsDeals.info is a great site that helps facilitate staking deals at Seals. We didn't make the site and we don't run it. Ender, a Seals player, made the site and operates it and takes his own fees. When he plays he tries to win and he's (apparently, I haven't verified) been successful lately. There is no reason to think he wins more in tournaments because he gets a fee from other players staking deals.

I don't want to dismiss entirely the idea of conflict of interest regarding stakees and stakers, but it is a very common thing in poker tournaments and it's not been a problem at Seals.

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June 10, 2013, 07:52:13 AM
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He is making money off the site for a service he provides for the site and is being compensated for it by the site directly. I am sorry I just don't feel it is fair he should be allowed to play in the tournaments as he is being compensated by the site as well as compensating the site. Obviously the site gave him permission to make money off it by providing a service for the site in reality making him a paid employee of the site for the service he provides.   I agree it is a great service for both the players and the site.  The site is able to make a lot of guarantees it otherwise might not be able to make.
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June 10, 2013, 08:59:09 AM
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Even so if nothing untoward is happening he has unlimited funds and could play every tournament on seals and have mounds and mounds of  money left over so he has a huge advantage  over the regular seals player in that regard alone and is freerolling all the tournaments he is in aside from having improbable statistics. Ender is the house in that he is able to fund every tourney if need be through compensation he gets for his stakes program so that's where I say it is a conflict of interest.  playing poker should be a level playing field and he has a huge advantage any way you look at it.

So rich people should not be allowed to play either then?

Poker is not a level playing field in any sense of the words outside of the same rules should apply to everyone.  That someone has extra resources to take more shots at a tournament than you is just life.  Believe me, I wish I had more money cause I'd be dumping it into the WSOP.  It's not "fair" that Hellmuth can buy into every event and I can only afford to buy into a few.  But poker isn't a level playing field and that's ok.
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June 10, 2013, 09:16:08 AM
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I dont see any problem with that at all either... You are just paranoid, if he wanted to do anything shady he would hide behind some anonymous ID. Thanks to him players like you can actually play big BTC eventhough skill-wise and bankroll-wise you wouldnt be even close to that as it sounds Smiley so why the hate ?
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June 10, 2013, 09:27:49 AM
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The staking-intense environment found in the main/logins chatbox gives Seals
a certain air of sleaziness not seen on other sites, esp. to new users.
The staking SHOULD take place off-line iyam.

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He is making money off the site for a service he provides for the site and is being compensated for it by the site directly.

Yeah, this was more OK at the earlier, "start-up" era, esp. when BTC's were trading @ <10$.
Now it borders on a racket. Shocked

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It's not "fair" that Hellmuth can buy into every event
It damn sure wouln't be if Hellmuth was an employee/contractor @ the casino.
In smaller live cardrooms [ex: CircusCircus/Reno, little dives in Cali] I've seen playing dealers and floor staff.
But we're not talkin about Aria or the Rio... stricter guidelines would apply.

Personally, I'm not playing @ Ender's stakes. Nor he @ mine.
So I'm not personally affected. It just don't look kewl.
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June 10, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
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Even so if nothing untoward is happening he has unlimited funds and could play every tournament on seals and have mounds and mounds of  money left over so he has a huge advantage  over the regular seals player in that regard alone and is freerolling all the tournaments he is in aside from having improbable statistics. Ender is the house in that he is able to fund every tourney if need be through compensation he gets for his stakes program so that's where I say it is a conflict of interest.  playing poker should be a level playing field and he has a huge advantage any way you look at it.

So rich people should not be allowed to play either then?

Poker is not a level playing field in any sense of the words outside of the same rules should apply to everyone.  That someone has extra resources to take more shots at a tournament than you is just life.  Believe me, I wish I had more money cause I'd be dumping it into the WSOP.  It's not "fair" that Hellmuth can buy into every event and I can only afford to buy into a few.  But poker isn't a level playing field and that's ok.

So  programmers for  online poker sites should be allowed to play while serving as paid employees of the site as in Enders case?  Your analogy doesn't address this issue. You can argue semantics but people have to put in buy codes in seals lobby to get staked of which Ender gets paid through seals with clubs ergo conflict of interest as he is paid employee of Seals . Seals can claim he is doing this on his own and is in no way an employee but that doesn't really hold water. If ender was a player running like god it wouldn't really be an issue but the fact that he is a paid employee running like god makes it an issue. The fact that he is doing it out in the open doesn't give me a warm sense of security either. I have seen him shoving 5 10 type hands on a consistent basis and winning consistently  which is why I finally looked up his stats, his stats where more then impressive they where beyond phenomenal.

Skillwise I will put my game up against anyone, though maybe not luck wise.  I have no idea who said my game wasn't up to par because never saw that name on seals. I have never seen either one of the 2 posters other then spike btw why would you use a different name on here then seals? Rhetorical btw I know the answer.
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June 10, 2013, 01:25:14 PM
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Are you fuxing joking donk? HE ISNT PROGRAMIN A POKER SITE, he prgramed a staking site, but even if he was programinga poker site, it isnt mavens software  so your claim that he should be prohibited from playing is ridiculous and stupid.

Your next claim that he is freerolling every tournament is even stupider, his profit from bet isnt so great and even if he had unlimited funds and would be donking tournies HE WOULDNT HAVE THE GRAPH HE HAS , with donking comes losses.


Are you seriously spamming this thread because your jelous of his poker skill? Ender is a winning player. Howg


ENDER ISNT PAID BY SWC. HE gets rake for people using his site. And the profit isnt making him filthy rich. /not presently anway Smiley /

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June 10, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
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Stupid is as stupid does Cheesy  seals allows Ender to use its lobby as part of his staking program but aren't paying him? Really? He isn't making a lot of money for service he provides thru seals ? I have to lol at that. I am not spamming he shouldn't be able to provide a staking system that he is being paid for thru seals and because of seals and play tourneys also.

Im not going to bother with the other troll comments and am done with this subject as I am not going to get anywhere but it isn't right.
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June 10, 2013, 01:51:18 PM
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Ender the guy who writes the staking program shouldn't be allowed to play in tournaments imo as it is a conflict of interest imo. I mean I have seen this guy run like god since I have been on the site. I have never bothered to check his graph until today and his graph is beyond  ridiculous. The guy has won 60 bitcoins since APRIL in about 2 months. Someone should post his graph on here there is not one downward spike in it over a 700 plus sample size .  Im not a computer programmer by any means but I feel someone who is writing the stakes program shouldn't have access to the tournaments he is getting enough compensation  by getting paid on all stakes on all winning players. There are other players who run well also but they don't write the stakes programs. Lets post the graph and see if it warrants looking into.

A lot of the tourneys would not meet guarantees if not for stakes that are offered by Ender and the service he provides for seals is benefiting Ender as well as Seals I feel its a big conflict of interest and the graph he has is suspect .

Aside from his graph being ridiculous its like he is freerolling every tournament because he has unlimited funds he is getting for writing the stakes software. It is like he is the bank as well as being a player.




A "ridiculous graph" by someone that is a programmer and an employee sure looks like a red flag.

Also, played a couple freerolls and the site is still choppy for me.... other web access seems alright here.
Thanks again to management to responding quickly to everyone's concerns and frustrations.
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June 10, 2013, 03:47:28 PM
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Hey I just wanted to give my wish list for the site.  I know you guys are working hard to improve it.

1) I think you are already working on this but the site really needs player note functionality with the ability to color code ala stars and full tilt.

2) There should be an option to run it twice.  Maybe under settings if all players in the hand have the option selected it does it automaticly

3) It would be great if someone could make a call to folks over at HM and poker tracker and ask if they will add support for SWC.  They haven't really responded to the playerbase but they may take it more seriously if a rep from the site got in contact. With HUD support I suspect you will see more traffic to the site from 2+2ers and those guys will keep the games running.

4) A bet pot button and another button that can be set to a specfic amount like 2.5x BB etc.

I realize everything is in beta and you guys may already be in the process of implementing stuff like this but wanted to add my 2BTC.

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June 10, 2013, 04:21:21 PM
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I haven't used any bonus code but i'm starting a lot of 6max tables, will i get 50% table starter rakeback? If not, can i still sign up for it?
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June 10, 2013, 04:23:35 PM
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Hey I just wanted to give my wish list for the site.  I know you guys are working hard to improve it.

1) I think you are already working on this but the site really needs player note functionality with the ability to color code ala stars and full tilt.

2) There should be an option to run it twice.  Maybe under settings if all players in the hand have the option selected it does it automaticly

3) It would be great if someone could make a call to folks over at HM and poker tracker and ask if they will add support for SWC.  They haven't really responded to the playerbase but they may take it more seriously if a rep from the site got in contact. With HUD support I suspect you will see more traffic to the site from 2+2ers and those guys will keep the games running.

4) A bet pot button and another button that can be set to a specfic amount like 2.5x BB etc.

I realize everything is in beta and you guys may already be in the process of implementing stuff like this but wanted to add my 2BTC.



thanks for the suggestions.  I personally keep a list, and all these are currently on it.  IMO it will be 6+ months for us to build out server side improvements to where we can start devoting ST6 time to features.    We aim to continue to provide the biggest bitcoin online poker action until we can do it even better.

On the subject of sealsdeals.info, SwC does not pay for this.  We allow the bet-bot to chat in a different, white color and allow Ender to run the service.  IMO the service is outstanding, he deserves the % he makes from it, and it provides him no advantage over other players in tournaments.  I sold many pieces for the WSOP on SealsDeals and I even occasionally list 5-10% of my BIGBTC at no markup so SwC users have a chance to really root for the Chairman.  Don't see how anyone could have issues with such a useful and well built system.  


I haven't used any bonus code but i'm starting a lot of 6max tables, will i get 50% table starter rakeback? If not, can i still sign up for it?

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June 10, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
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I've been thinking about it and I just don't see how the seals deals site and functionality does anything that could be construed as shady. I cannot see how this would offer an unfair advantage to any single player. In fact the only advantage is it offers are available to anyone who would like to use it.
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June 10, 2013, 04:34:12 PM
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If this is also a 'requests' thread:

...One of the poker sites I used to play on back in the days when you COULD in the US had 'knockout' tournies... in which there was a double entry fee, the extra amount being a bounty on each player.  Knock out that player and get that amount.  It added an interesting dynamic to tourney play.
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June 10, 2013, 05:11:17 PM
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So for now at least...

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

hit me personally, I would hate to lose a frequent player of any sort.


Also, Android app just version'd

Should be all good across the 3 ways to play

Well all my drama aside, I always reserve the right to come donking straight back once I feel my bets will be secure and not at risk for bugs and disconnects.  Obviously the added traffic and perhaps some negative attention (script kids, haters etc) have made keeping everything smooth harder.  And I hope reports that the server move has made a major difference are true and hold up. 

That said.  An implementation of disconnect protection might also be a good thing.

 I KNOW that would be complicated to implement especially across 3+ clients.

It is one thing to have a tourney fee paid back.  It might be disappointing to those in the tourney, but it is fair and doable.

My perspective is seeing a nut/nut PLO8 hand show up and shoving the turn just to see it lock up, scramble to log back in and see myself down a stack when I should have been up chips.  Disconnect protection seems like the best solution for cash games and would work well for tourneys too!

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June 10, 2013, 05:15:10 PM
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I've been thinking about it and I just don't see how the seals deals site and functionality does anything that could be construed as shady. I cannot see how this would offer an unfair advantage to any single player. In fact the only advantage is it offers are available to anyone who would like to use it.

It's shady only to the same extent that any other cross-staking deal has the potential to be shady.  There's really no issue beyond when players stake each other and then are playing at the same table, and even then, only if they actively collude or play each other differently than they otherwise would.  If you're staking someone you probably already play against them differently, because you think they're winning players.

If anything, having a complete list of who is staking who could be useful and makes it less likely those players are actually going to cheat overtly.  You could even use that information to get an advantage over them, conceivably.  It seems cheaters sharing a bankroll would be less likely to list that fact on some public website.  I suppose they might if they don't trust each other, after all, they're both cheaters.
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June 10, 2013, 05:48:07 PM
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I didn't get rakeback for Monday someone said 12 hours from usual time can anyone confirm? My krill has been the same score past 2 or 3 days also , I didn't hear anything about krill issue can someone update me please?
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