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June 20, 2013, 08:52:21 PM
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Micon, you are cute dude. I went to suck your dick. And gank dude, I want you bad. You are both hot.
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June 20, 2013, 09:17:37 PM
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Really waiting for the tournament schedule to be revamped. Really nothing worth playing except the Saturday 10k guarantee. The 500 and above good value tournaments  are  outside my bankroll there is nothing in the 100 range that most players are able to afford. A lot of the tourneys like plo8guar with 100 chips buy in have 4th place that pays out 150 .  These are not very good risk vs reward tournaments.  The six k guarantee you make your money back for cashing and a lot of tourneys have that type of payout strutucture. Every seven tourneys  with fileds of 25 and buy in of 40 pays out 100 for 6th  110 for 5th 120 for 4th the risk vs reward is really poor. A lot of the good guaratnees like seven am where taken away and not replaced except for 10 after 10 chips. Waiting paitently for the revamp of the tourney schedule that was promised a few times in this thread but see nothing happening. Sorry to complain but really the tournament schedule needs a long time overhaul if expect people to keep playing the mtts. .  Thanks for listening.

What happened to the upcoming promo that was going to be rolled out a few pages back and would generate excitement ?

perfect example of watered down tourney schedule. There is a 300 chip deep with 11 people entered with 4 people getting paid .  4th place gets  342 which is absolutely horrific . Risk 300 to win 42 and there are many tournaments similar to this one there is no way im risking 300 to win 42!
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June 21, 2013, 01:57:10 AM
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Yeh, I do like the every7 and all the other around 50 BI but I would also love some 100 BI nice GTD tourneys. Currently it's only the GAB tourneys and the Saturday 10k, both are unfortunately at times that I cannot play it (ok thats just me, but still :p)

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June 21, 2013, 04:13:55 PM
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Makes sense about the chat to black. When are new promos coming out I heard something was in the works. One thing to remember is that you started out when site started and bitcoins were 10 dollars per bitcoin or less now bitcoin is 130 per bitcoin so maybe krill needs to be updated for those of us with site for couple of months. I have been playing 3 months. I put in a lot of volume comparatively  and am almost at 10k krill which is 2 percent and that really isn't going to get me much rakeback. Krill takes a long time to accrue and while I understand what you are saying should have a little more inscentive for people putting in a lot of volume to offset the variance . Going to take me over a year to get to 50k in krill . A lot of sites give you 35 percent right off I understand Seals can't give those types of deals as a new site but something a little more player friendly would really be appreciated.

Right off the top we essentially give 50% back in the sense that we're about 50% cheap than 'normal' sites. Then we do 50% more back for 2 and 3 handed play at 6 and 9 seat ring tables. So even with no krill lever you should think of it as 50% to 75% RB at Seals.

It is rather slow to move up krill ranks, but unlike most sites you don't lose your rank for inactivity, it just slowly marches up.

5000 krill gets you in the 140 hour krill freeroll (that's a bit more often than every week) and you don't have to keep playing in order to keep access to that. Right now the prize is 2000 chips and we haven't changed that even as bitcoin values have gone up 10x and more, same with the fixed chip prizes. We might have to change them eventually, but we like to keep things stable. Wave 4 still says tba because there might eventually be something else merchandise related that players become eligible for at that level.

Starting tomorrow, krill will be awarded to 0.1 precision. Low games still get proportionally more krill per rake because of how square roots work, krill is sqrt(rake), but with less distortion from the rounding we can offer more lower stakes games and put them in the launcher (coming soon).

Also starting tomorrow 2x krill for play between 2am and 10am ET.

There will be more promos coming, I'll give hints when I'm sure the ones we want to offer can be achieved in a smooth way technically.


Haven't seen any of the new promos although have been waiting patiently. Tourney was going to get a new overhaul which it desperately needs I looked through last 30 pages but couldn't find were it was going to happen imminently but please add some 50 to 100 chip tourneys with some easy to reach guarantees. The 3k wee tourneys always get 20 people the tournament schedule needs a complete overhaul desperately.
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June 21, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
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Nice Micon stopped in to say bringing back jackpot hands. I realize can't overhaul tourney schedule overnight but can you please add a couple of deepstacks for 100 and see how they rung? Wee gets 20 to 30 runners daily need to put a little life into the tournament schedule. Deepstacks are really great structure aside from the latenight he runs that are turbo. Worth a shot to put in a couple of 100 deepstack ones no?
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June 21, 2013, 06:56:52 PM
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Selling my 50k krill account  (gives you access to the 10 btc guarntee freeroll and better rakeback %)
Price is 10 BTC
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why is this allowed???
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June 21, 2013, 07:24:39 PM
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You missed the last meeting spike it is allowed because can't really be controlled by site and people are allowed to sell their accounts per micon. I like it I just know if I bought a 50k krill account it would be mainly for the 1k usd monthly freerolls and as soon as I bought it they would lower it because that's how my luck rolls.
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June 21, 2013, 09:09:20 PM
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June 22, 2013, 11:06:19 AM
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You missed the last meeting spike it is allowed because can't really be controlled by site and people are allowed to sell their accounts per micon. I like it I just know if I bought a 50k krill account it would be mainly for the 1k usd monthly freerolls and as soon as I bought it they would lower it because that's how my luck rolls.

Buying and selling accounts is a terrible idea. There are very few with 50k+ krill and you always have to wonder why someone who clearly plays a lot would want to part with it. Beware of scams.

We aren't going to pretend it isn't happening (if it actually is) or push people to hide and trade elsewhere, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

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June 22, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
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Sent 2 pms no response to freemoney regarding multiple disconnects in a 200 chip tourney (10 am 2k gtd) during their last issue.  They said they reimbursed people....I haven't even gottten a response.

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June 22, 2013, 06:13:20 PM
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You missed the last meeting spike it is allowed because can't really be controlled by site and people are allowed to sell their accounts per micon. I like it I just know if I bought a 50k krill account it would be mainly for the 1k usd monthly freerolls and as soon as I bought it they would lower it because that's how my luck rolls.

Buying and selling accounts is a terrible idea. There are very few with 50k+ krill and you always have to wonder why someone who clearly plays a lot would want to part with it. Beware of scams.

We aren't going to pretend it isn't happening (if it actually is) or push people to hide and trade elsewhere, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

Obviously anyone doing this should use a trusted person to escrow as scam potential is huge .
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June 22, 2013, 08:14:50 PM
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Sent 2 pms no response to freemoney regarding multiple disconnects in a 200 chip tourney (10 am 2k gtd) during their last issue.  They said they reimbursed people....I haven't even gottten a response.

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I'm sorry I forgot to write to you.

That investigation is not finished.

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June 23, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
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I find this site to be the best for poker! keep up the good work... i have seen some knockoffs of this site! still find it the best! Smiley
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June 23, 2013, 05:49:33 PM
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The Poker Action Flop Theory in Online NL Texas Holdem Tournaments

Poker Action Flop Theory: Hands are deliberately set up by an online Poker room to handicap the best players and benefit the bad players.

Texas Holdem tournaments on the internet attract literally thousands of players everyday to sites that offer every kind of tournament you can imagine. Freerolls with small, and sometimes very high, cash prizes, buyins from 10 cents to $1000.00, satellites to major land based tournaments, bounty tournaments, freeze outs, you name it, and you can find it. And everyone who plays online has some incredible bad beat stories - one out hands hitting on the river, etc, seemingly in much greater mathematical probability than seems possible.

This is where the "Action Flop" Theory comes in. Paul Phillips is credited with coining the phrase on the World Poker Tour. It defines an almost improbable hand result, where some great starting hands are played aggressively by skilled players that hit a flop nicely, but end up losing on the river to a vastly inferior hand. The classic bad beat suckout.

I have statistically tracked a number of sites as I play them. And on certain sites (to remain nameless, but catch me in a game sometime, and I might spill the beans) there is most definitely a higher proportion of Action Flops near the bubbles. But first, lets make a note here. Cards dealt on the online casinos are NOT randomly dealt. A true random deal is mathematically impossible. They can get close, but never truly statistically random. I am not saying any sites are rigged, but do please read on. It has already been established that some sites use different shuffles for free games and for cash games. These sites lead the free player to believe they are better than they are, hoping to encourage them to deposit and play for cash.

The theory behind action flops is quite simple. The Poker Action Flop is a flop that will encourage the good players to get very aggressive in a pot and then the new or bad player makes an unlikely river draw to suck out on the good player.

And this happens! A lot! In fact, a lot more than it should, statistically.

So why do all these bad beats happen? This is what the Poker Action Flop Theory explains.

The Poker Action Flop Theory is simply this: the online poker room wants the bad players to beat the good players. Not all the time, just at certain points in a tournament. Skilled experienced players know that bad beats happen, and they can accept them as part of the game. If they are winning overall in the site, they stay and just pick another tournament to enter.  But a new player or a bad player who doesn't win once in a while will stop playing there. Thus no more poker room deposit money from them. The online casinos want to spread the winning cash prizes around, so they create action flops to do this, according to the Action Flop Theory. They deliver great hands to the good players who then boost the pot, and the bad player sucks out on the river.

Skilled and experienced winning Texas Holdem players tend to be very aggressive. They make value bets,  forced calls against pot odds, high percentage semi bluffs, outright steals, and they slow play the fish right into the net.  Skilled players know how to make the most out of every hand they play. Bad players are basically calling stations and have little knowledge of proper betting techniques. So if an Action Flop comes along, the skilled player has a lot of chips in the pot, and loses them to the bad player suckout.

In the real world of Texas Holdem tournament play, new and bad players are easily beaten by superior players. Most of them don't stand a chance to win in a live multi table no limit holdem tournament. They are  dead money.  In land based casino poker room NL Texas Holdem tournaments, the skilled players get most of their chips from the bad players as they knock them out.

So why is it different online? Action Flops!

The Theory says that "ACTION FLOPS", those flops that bring big action to a hand and hurt the skilled players who are beaten by the river miracles. Online poker room owners know that in the general course of play, the highly skilled players would decimate the rest of the players. They need something to level the playing field or risk losing the majority of their players, and then the majority of their income.  The Action Flop theory says this is the way they do it, by having Action Flops during the course of play. The better skilled players are penalized by chip loses and the new or unskilled players are rewarded with chip gains, and thus are retained as customers.

The Action Flop Theory states that  Action Flops are the mainstay of the online poker room business model.

Action Flops let the winning players win far less than they would normally would.

Action Flops let bad players play longer and even win money on occasion.

Action Flops benefit bad players who continue calling on a draw against the aggressive skilled player.

Action flops keep the new or bad players on the site, and the poker room makes more money.

See below for an example of how the online poker rooms could use their Dynamic Dealing to Generate a Poker Action Flop without compromising in any way the integrity of their RNG card shuffle.

How can you avoid falling into the Poker Action Flop Trap?

Action flops will occur anytime in NL Texas Holdem tournament. Generally speaking, the first few rounds are free of Action Flops, since this is the most dangerous time for the player, and the time you usually see the most all in players. No need for them here, actually.

As the game progresses, there usually will come a group of Action Flops. Watch for this as you play, and be very careful if you see the start of pattern of Action Flops. As a skilled player, you probably have an idea of who are the other skilled players at your table, and who are the new or unskilled players. If you see the later start to suckout, watch out! 

And, as I mentioned earlier, as you near the bubble, expect these action flops! They may are there and they may come! Remember, the poker room wants the new players and the bad players who have survived so far to make the money bubble. And if you are a skilled player, they may not want you to make the bubble!

Your best tool is observation! Be very careful when on the button near the bubble. This is where the classic Poker Action Flop is set to give you that great hand to steal the blinds with, but may in fact be the hand that takes you out when the Big Blind sucks out in a Poker Action Flop!

Example: We have two players in a hand, a skilled player who has won a lot of money on the site, aggressively betting his AK hand,  and a newbie player, with no winnings at all on the site, holding AJ. The flop is A J, 3, turn is K. The skilled player goes all in on his AA KK, the top two pair. The newbie calls with his AA JJ. On the river the random card generator puts out a King to be dealt, which would give the skilled player a winning full house. The dynamic dealing program then would set aside  the Ace, not deal it, and then the program continues to set aside the randomly generated cards until a Jack appears, then deals it as the river card. The the less skilled newbie player then outdraws the skilled player to win on the river.

Even an audit of the random number generator will still validate the RNG because it is not compromised, it is the deal/distribution that is compromised.

Some players claim they have detected a slight delay in river dealing by the site software when these outdraws occur.

source: http://www.thedoverpro.com/poker-action-flop.htm

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June 23, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
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Account "Collusion" sent reimbursement to players who played against 19 accounts, mostly in PLO 3/6 who were clearly working together.

That's pretty much what I predicted, that PLO would be the richest ground for collusion.  With even three accounts, the cheater(s) know 12 of the cards that are out there, and the pot-limit structure is very well-suited to whipsawing the sucker in between.  About the only good thing is most cheaters are also lousy players, but if you have a good player (or players) cheating in PLO, it's utterly deadly.

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June 23, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
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Obviously anyone doing this should use a trusted person to escrow as scam potential is huge .

Indeed.  And the escrow should definitely make sure the login information is correct (and change it) before doing the transaction.  Someone selling a high krill account obviously no longer cares about any reputation the account has.
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June 23, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
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The Poker Action Flop Theory in Online NL Texas Holdem Tournaments

... Cut an enormous pile of heebus jeebus about how its not your fault you're a losing jerk at poker...

The fact you believe this garbage is solid proof that you are a losing fish.

1. You don't need a conspiracy to create poker train wrecks.  A pure RNG does that perfectly already.

2. Poker sites (like seals) have a gigantic incentive to have the fairest games with as perfect a RNG as they can get.  They do not NEED to create money hands. Poker does this naturally.

What this stupid article is is placation for losers.  You need to believe good players get ripped off and bad ones are rewarded.  Because if not...

Yup. You are a fish.

I'd say take up checkers.
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Quote from: puffpuffidiot
The Poker Action Flop Theory in Online NL Texas Holdem Tournaments

... Cut an enormous pile of heebus jeebus about how its not your fault you're a losing jerk at poker...

The fact you believe this garbage is solid proof that you are a losing fish.

1. You don't need a conspiracy to create poker train wrecks.  A pure RNG does that perfectly already.

2. Poker sites (like seals) have a gigantic incentive to have the fairest games with as perfect a RNG as they can get.  They do not NEED to create money hands. Poker does this naturally.

What this stupid article is is placation for losers.  You need to believe good players get ripped off and bad ones are rewarded.  Because if not...

Yup. You are a fish.

I'd say take up checkers.

not true. naturally skillful players will take pots because they are playing odds in their favor. on seals, impossible things happen and players are rewarded and taught to be addicted to the seals software rather than learning the real game of poker and playing it properly.

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The Poker Action Flop Theory in Online NL Texas Holdem Tournaments

Poker Action Flop Theory: Hands are deliberately set up by an online Poker room to handicap the best players and benefit the bad players.

Texas Holdem tournaments on the internet attract literally thousands of players everyday to sites that offer every kind of tournament you can imagine. Freerolls with small, and sometimes very high, cash prizes, buyins from 10 cents to $1000.00, satellites to major land based tournaments, bounty tournaments, freeze outs, you name it, and you can find it. And everyone who plays online has some incredible bad beat stories - one out hands hitting on the river, etc, seemingly in much greater mathematical probability than seems possible.

This is where the "Action Flop" Theory comes in. Paul Phillips is credited with coining the phrase on the World Poker Tour. It defines an almost improbable hand result, where some great starting hands are played aggressively by skilled players that hit a flop nicely, but end up losing on the river to a vastly inferior hand. The classic bad beat suckout.

I have statistically tracked a number of sites as I play them. And on certain sites (to remain nameless, but catch me in a game sometime, and I might spill the beans) there is most definitely a higher proportion of Action Flops near the bubbles. But first, lets make a note here. Cards dealt on the online casinos are NOT randomly dealt. A true random deal is mathematically impossible. They can get close, but never truly statistically random. I am not saying any sites are rigged, but do please read on. It has already been established that some sites use different shuffles for free games and for cash games. These sites lead the free player to believe they are better than they are, hoping to encourage them to deposit and play for cash.

The theory behind action flops is quite simple. The Poker Action Flop is a flop that will encourage the good players to get very aggressive in a pot and then the new or bad player makes an unlikely river draw to suck out on the good player.

And this happens! A lot! In fact, a lot more than it should, statistically.

So why do all these bad beats happen? This is what the Poker Action Flop Theory explains.

The Poker Action Flop Theory is simply this: the online poker room wants the bad players to beat the good players. Not all the time, just at certain points in a tournament. Skilled experienced players know that bad beats happen, and they can accept them as part of the game. If they are winning overall in the site, they stay and just pick another tournament to enter.  But a new player or a bad player who doesn't win once in a while will stop playing there. Thus no more poker room deposit money from them. The online casinos want to spread the winning cash prizes around, so they create action flops to do this, according to the Action Flop Theory. They deliver great hands to the good players who then boost the pot, and the bad player sucks out on the river.

Skilled and experienced winning Texas Holdem players tend to be very aggressive. They make value bets,  forced calls against pot odds, high percentage semi bluffs, outright steals, and they slow play the fish right into the net.  Skilled players know how to make the most out of every hand they play. Bad players are basically calling stations and have little knowledge of proper betting techniques. So if an Action Flop comes along, the skilled player has a lot of chips in the pot, and loses them to the bad player suckout.

In the real world of Texas Holdem tournament play, new and bad players are easily beaten by superior players. Most of them don't stand a chance to win in a live multi table no limit holdem tournament. They are  dead money.  In land based casino poker room NL Texas Holdem tournaments, the skilled players get most of their chips from the bad players as they knock them out.

So why is it different online? Action Flops!

The Theory says that "ACTION FLOPS", those flops that bring big action to a hand and hurt the skilled players who are beaten by the river miracles. Online poker room owners know that in the general course of play, the highly skilled players would decimate the rest of the players. They need something to level the playing field or risk losing the majority of their players, and then the majority of their income.  The Action Flop theory says this is the way they do it, by having Action Flops during the course of play. The better skilled players are penalized by chip loses and the new or unskilled players are rewarded with chip gains, and thus are retained as customers.

The Action Flop Theory states that  Action Flops are the mainstay of the online poker room business model.

Action Flops let the winning players win far less than they would normally would.

Action Flops let bad players play longer and even win money on occasion.

Action Flops benefit bad players who continue calling on a draw against the aggressive skilled player.

Action flops keep the new or bad players on the site, and the poker room makes more money.

See below for an example of how the online poker rooms could use their Dynamic Dealing to Generate a Poker Action Flop without compromising in any way the integrity of their RNG card shuffle.

How can you avoid falling into the Poker Action Flop Trap?

Action flops will occur anytime in NL Texas Holdem tournament. Generally speaking, the first few rounds are free of Action Flops, since this is the most dangerous time for the player, and the time you usually see the most all in players. No need for them here, actually.

As the game progresses, there usually will come a group of Action Flops. Watch for this as you play, and be very careful if you see the start of pattern of Action Flops. As a skilled player, you probably have an idea of who are the other skilled players at your table, and who are the new or unskilled players. If you see the later start to suckout, watch out! 

And, as I mentioned earlier, as you near the bubble, expect these action flops! They may are there and they may come! Remember, the poker room wants the new players and the bad players who have survived so far to make the money bubble. And if you are a skilled player, they may not want you to make the bubble!

Your best tool is observation! Be very careful when on the button near the bubble. This is where the classic Poker Action Flop is set to give you that great hand to steal the blinds with, but may in fact be the hand that takes you out when the Big Blind sucks out in a Poker Action Flop!

Example: We have two players in a hand, a skilled player who has won a lot of money on the site, aggressively betting his AK hand,  and a newbie player, with no winnings at all on the site, holding AJ. The flop is A J, 3, turn is K. The skilled player goes all in on his AA KK, the top two pair. The newbie calls with his AA JJ. On the river the random card generator puts out a King to be dealt, which would give the skilled player a winning full house. The dynamic dealing program then would set aside  the Ace, not deal it, and then the program continues to set aside the randomly generated cards until a Jack appears, then deals it as the river card. The the less skilled newbie player then outdraws the skilled player to win on the river.

Even an audit of the random number generator will still validate the RNG because it is not compromised, it is the deal/distribution that is compromised.

Some players claim they have detected a slight delay in river dealing by the site software when these outdraws occur.

source: http://www.thedoverpro.com/poker-action-flop.htm

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June 23, 2013, 08:53:49 PM
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The Poker Action Flop Theory in Online NL Texas Holdem Tournaments
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The fact you believe this garbage is solid proof that you are a losing fish.

....

I'd say take up checkers.

haha you shouldnt even respond to him...

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