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Author Topic: NobleCoin[NOBL] - 8% PoS | 1Yr+ | MARKETPLACE | PAY | GIFT | CHARITIES/MERCHANTS  (Read 1010837 times)
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March 01, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
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Disappeared? I stepped back to let your lovely community/new leadership take the helm to get what they wanted and was in private discussion with them many times. This was common knowledge

If you read some of the quotes you'll see the times when I left what they shared in their hands. They chose to let you all sit around and talk like I had bailed and not given two shits.. as if they weren't in communication with me.

That is not acceptable. My 'toys' are all still very much around. You think all this is a game to me?

What the 'community' should understand is that I will have an opinion on matters. It was public in Jan. It was public before PoS switch. And it is public now. Don't get mad that it now causes an issue with things. My personal viewpoint is rightfully mine.


Ok, so I guess I have been missing some information, so I apologise for that. You should have gone public with that rather than letting all of the disquiet rest with you. I know it isn't a game to you, and how much you have invested, which is why we were so perplexed when you ceased communication with us. If you had said that you were taking a break and were leaving things in the hands of x and x that would be easier to understand.

But from my viewpoint you should have accepted the move to PoS rather than keep making comments about how you didn't approve of it. You have helped out with previous attempts, why was this one any different other than the community was more directly involved. We understand your viewpoint, it is now time you accepted it and helped out.

Sorry, my last post was probably a bit harsh
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March 01, 2015, 03:24:01 PM
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I have so much too say but I will keep it short.....

YES- the twitter post was completely unprofessional

NO- I have not lost faith in Rofo/Community

YES- I believe us all working together will be best for the long term goal of this coin

YES- I think we can make this happen

YES- This thread has caused some cheap noblecoin Wink


I have been apart of coins and I understand how the demand from the community gets a little much... The best part is when you have enough people to help that you don't have to do everything yourself... Utilize everyones best! I think eagle and rofo together is best for this coin! The more experienced faces the better...

Also doesn't hurt having James making promotions!  These are all little things eagle and rofo no longer have too worry on.

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March 01, 2015, 03:49:11 PM
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for the record I am against switching algo's - scrypt has served this coin just fine

why change?

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March 01, 2015, 04:03:20 PM
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so now i need to send the coins to bittrex or c-cex or does it mather which exchange?

better take bittrex or cryptsy! Bigger exchanges are safer

Have we received confirmation from Bittrex, Poloniex and Cryptsy that they are all set up and ready for the POS switch?
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March 01, 2015, 04:10:48 PM
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for the record I am against switching algo's - scrypt has served this coin just fine

why change?


Scrypt's wreaked havoc on this coin.
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March 01, 2015, 04:33:29 PM
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I for one, support the opening of the new Church of Rofo!
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March 01, 2015, 04:44:39 PM
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for the record I am against switching algo's - scrypt has served this coin just fine

why change?


Scrypt's wreaked havoc on this coin.

Wrought; it has wrought havoc.  Wink

But why do you think this?  Huh
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March 01, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
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TRUST AND PROTECT THE FUTURE
TAPTF NO WALLET

SEND ME YOUR NOBLECOIN IF YOU WORRY ABOUT THE SECURITY OR IF YOU SCARE FOR YOUR WALLET I WILL HOLD IT FOR YOU SEND THE AMOUNT PLUS YOUR CONTACT INFO AND I WILL HOLD YOUR NOBL FOR 2%
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NEVER TRUST BUT ONE TIME YOU TRY ONE TIME ITS WORK ONE TIME NOT
I PROMISE ON MY LIFE TO NEVER BREAK THE TRUST
THIS IS MY GARANTEE
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March 01, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
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To Rofo and everyone Noble

Let us discuss facts, not emotions.

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Chronology of events
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1. At some point in the past Rofo asked community to vote on next step for Noble. Community chose PoS and Rofo accepted this

2. Rofo contacted 3 or 4 external teams looking for someone to deliver PoS. All this failed

3. January 11, 2015: Rofo publishes post titled 'No longer Noble' - "[..]I'm sorry, and I hope 2015 is a better year for NOBL and crypto. Please take a round of votes or determine a group better able to work on NOBL moving forward. I just am unable to continue working as I have been. To be frank I'm completely broken, and I sarcastically look forward to the 'REKT' tweets. I just don't have the passion for crypto any longer, and I know there are people out there who can take this much further now." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.9440

4. January 11, 2015, another post by Rofo where he says "OK look guys I apologise. Let me finalize the bullion licensing and work here in Canberra (Im in the middle of a move and meetings for NOXT) so I can officially tie precious metals and digital currencies. PD if you're reading this we'd love to have you on board to finalize PoS. Then we can take NOBL and NOXT in the right direction for 2015. Maybe I was having a weak moment. But I think we need to band together and get our shit sorted so we can stand out for once.

5. Community starts talking about how to proceed with PoS transition since everyone suspectd PD team would not deliver.

6. January 12, 2015, 08:32:32 PM, eagleflies: "I have started working on a PoS wallet for Noblecoin. This is just the very beginning so please do not expect miracles anytime soon. However I would like to ask everyone on this thread what is your opinion on PoS parameters which should be chosen. Feel free to elaborate why you think those are best for us. Maybe someone did research into PoS parameters and would like to share results? I would love to hear that!"

7. Since then work has been carried by group of people from this community. Also Joe from Magi Coin joined our efforts and helped a lot.

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Current status of things
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8. PoS wallet for Noble which uses PoS II (with some modifications) from Magi Coin is ready. The work which could not be delivered by 4 external teams was completed internally. We are ready for transition on the 4th of March.

9. March 01, 2015, 08:58:39 AM, Rofo writes "[..]Attached so it's public. Please do not continue to use my 'good name' (or in all honesty seeming lack thereof now from this point in this 'scene') for particular projects/ideas unless it is deserving so."

10. March 01, 2015, Rofo "Disappeared? I stepped back to let your lovely community/new leadership take the helm to get what they wanted and was in private discussion with them many times. This was common knowledge

If you read some of the quotes you'll see the times when I left what they shared in their hands. They chose to let you all sit around and talk like I had bailed and not given two shits.. as if they weren't in communication with me.

That is not acceptable. My 'toys' are all still very much around. You think all this is a game to me?

What the 'community' should understand is that I will have an opinion on matters. It was public in Jan. It was public before PoS switch. And it is public now. Don't get mad that it now causes an issue with things. My personal viewpoint is rightfully mine."


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Everyone can check chronology of events:
- We were looking for external team to deliver PoS
- All of this failed
- Rofo made decision to pass things onto community
- Community started working on PoS and finished 90% of work by now
- Rofo is back and makes several critical posts

As I stated many times in the past This is not a take-over. I have just offered my time and skills to work internally on what other teams could not deliver for money.

I also do believe in this: "My take on this is that best scenario for Noblecoin is when both Rofo and myself cooperate. Rofo created this coin and has great business related skills while I am stronger on technical side. Sounds like a good fit. "

In my personal view Rofo always was a leader for Noblecoin. I am feeling disappointed after hearing critical remarks from him today just before the switch. But since he is the leader I have to accept that.


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The offer
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I do believe in cooperation and I do accept Rofo's leadership for Noble. We all met here due to Rofo, not due to myself. It was his vision which built this community.

We have everything ready from technical point of view now but I will not proceed with switch to PoS without hearing 'please continue with the switch' from Rofo.

Deadline: since the transition is planned and agreed with exchanges to happen on the 4th of March and I need to start making final preparations on the 3rd of March there has to be a deadline. Let us make it 48 hours. So my offer expires on the 3rd of March at 5PM GMT. If I do not hear consent from Rofo by then I will contact exchanges and tell them transition was cancelled.


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Final thanks
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I would like to express gratitude to all the members of community who helped with preparations to transition, code, testing etc. It was great to meet all of you and work together. I feel disappointed but not bitter. It is better to try things and fail then to stay idle. Wink Maybe we will meet again in the future working on some other coin Wink

I would like to especially thank:
- Rofo for starting this coin and having a vision
- Joe for offering his code and discussions about PoS
- fairglu for supporting us with his block explorer and sharing his thoughts
- James and ctenc001 for working on marketing campaign
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March 01, 2015, 05:54:24 PM
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Huh?  Roll Eyes

so this coin is officially dead ...who will return my nobl that I generously donated?
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March 01, 2015, 06:06:45 PM
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Huh?  Roll Eyes

so this coin is officially dead ...who will return my nobl that I generously donated?

In the event that the pos switch is called off I'll refund all donations
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March 01, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
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Huh?  Roll Eyes

so this coin is officially dead ...who will return my nobl that I generously donated?

In the event that the pos switch is called off I'll refund all donations

Why should Rofo still have objections?  Did we not have a vote on this?  And agree to switch?  Huh

I sure as hell hope eagleflies does not leave us;no future for NOBL then!  Angry

But surely EF and Rofo can sort this out between them?   Grin
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March 01, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
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I don't see the issue in me reiterating my stance on crypto, technology, our direction etc. a problem considering it hasn't changed. I still believe in/against education, yearlong patience, not toying with experimental code, market manipulation, constant hard forks, patience, usage focus over price etc.

I've always been uncomfortably open. I've always spared the usual scene bullshit because this entire forum is a circus.

And all of a sudden my stance is an issue because what the community has decided slightly contradicts that?

I'm not even fighting it. I'm keeping the services and support and everything else running and building upon. I supported it in private completely until I got tired hearing in public that I'm not being helpful or have run away. When anyone can see I still log in daily.

But since it suddenly conflicts with what you want it's an issue for the first time in 12 months?

Please. Is NOBL 'Rofo' or is it a democratic community..or a cryptocurrency. This isn't a personality cult.

Kudos.  You are the most sensible altcoin dev I have encountered in a long time. 

Everyone else:   before this announcement, you didn't have Rofo's total support,  after this announcement, you still don't have Rofo's entire support.  The only difference is that you know why, and it's not unreasonable for him to feel thi way.  Yet the bottom line for NOBL, or what you are trying to do with it (POS algo change, etc),  has not been significantly altered by any of these developments.
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Deadline: since the transition is planned and agreed with exchanges to happen on the 4th of March and I need to start making final preparations on the 3rd of March there has to be a deadline. Let us make it 48 hours. So my offer expires on the 3rd of March at 5PM GMT. If I do not hear consent from Rofo by then I will contact exchanges and tell them transition was cancelled.


It's been some time since last post. I just read the thread today and was a bit surprising about what's happening. No wonder we're straddling on the changes etc!

@eagleflies, you definitely made a lot contribution and deserve all of the respects; it would be a pity if everything done is not gonna happen.

Let me ask, why you need approve from Rofo, he made the decision already, right? And the decision is up to community. Why we need to ask the same question again and again and again?  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg10200543#msg10200543

That's why we're going towards PoS.

@Community, please don't be kidding. Discussion already done, time to move on!

Please work with @Rofo then, what's his role in the coin afterwards. But I'm gonna say a coin is not up to the dev, a coin is up to community. It'll be hard to understand dev is right when the community is wrong. Surely the community needs Rofo as the dev, no takeover I meant.

You should call for community's votes, rather than approve from one person, if we really need discussion; but I think that's NOT necessary.  


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March 01, 2015, 08:57:28 PM
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My approval is not needed. You already had it anyway. Make the switch. I'm not a dictator.

What I was not interested in was pretending PoS is something it is not. I actually prefer it to PoW longterm when I think of potential. But my timelines are in years not months. Or my opinions or 'advice' on many things have suddenly shifted. Or that I've somehow done you all wrong as if I owe you every moment of my life. But I'm not partaking in blatant cheerleading and misleading facts with the half a dozen broken English speaking newcomers.

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March 01, 2015, 09:51:42 PM
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My approval is not needed. You already had it anyway. Make the switch. I'm not a dictator.

What I was not interested in was pretending PoS is something it is not. I actually prefer it to PoW longterm when I think of potential. But my timelines are in years not months. Or my opinions or 'advice' on many things have suddenly shifted. Or that I've somehow done you all wrong as if I owe you every moment of my life. But I'm not partaking in blatant cheerleading and misleading facts with the half a dozen broken English speaking newcomers.


@Rofo, your opinion of PoW deserves discussion and further consideration. I think community SHOULD take this into account and discuss on this topic after switch. For now, just let PoS happen. I don't see any thing wrong in the further if we really need to do something on PoW, we can do so.

But you should take a deep look at the PoS; everything has good / bad sides, we should make use of the good things while overcoming the drawbacks. I personally like hybrid PoW and PoS together; you can always do some tweaks to make one dominant at a situation when you need it.

@Community, just let switch happen, then continue on the improvement.   


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March 01, 2015, 10:47:19 PM
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My approval is not needed. You already had it anyway. Make the switch. I'm not a dictator.

What I was not interested in was pretending PoS is something it is not. I actually prefer it to PoW longterm when I think of potential. But my timelines are in years not months. Or my opinions or 'advice' on many things have suddenly shifted. Or that I've somehow done you all wrong as if I owe you every moment of my life. But I'm not partaking in blatant cheerleading and misleading facts with the half a dozen broken English speaking newcomers.


@Rofo, your opinion of PoW deserves discussion and further consideration. I think community SHOULD take this into account and discuss on this topic after switch. For now, just let PoS happen. I don't see any thing wrong in the further if we really need to do something on PoW, we can do so.

But you should take a deep look at the PoS; everything has good / bad sides, we should make use of the good things while overcoming the drawbacks. I personally like hybrid PoW and PoS together; you can always do some tweaks to make one dominant at a situation when you need it.

@Community, just let switch happen, then continue on the improvement.   

I'm with Joe, lets make it happen. Then we can all carry on with our lives.
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March 01, 2015, 11:16:39 PM
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My approval is not needed. You already had it anyway. Make the switch. I'm not a dictator.

What I was not interested in was pretending PoS is something it is not. I actually prefer it to PoW longterm when I think of potential. But my timelines are in years not months. Or my opinions or 'advice' on many things have suddenly shifted. Or that I've somehow done you all wrong as if I owe you every moment of my life. But I'm not partaking in blatant cheerleading and misleading facts with the half a dozen broken English speaking newcomers.


Somewhat off topic but have you been following what is being worked on in Slasher 2.0 lately? 
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March 01, 2015, 11:58:26 PM
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let's do the switch!

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March 02, 2015, 12:49:40 AM
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Thank you Rofo for moving this pos forward and Eagleflies and his helpers for pos.
Very Much Appericatation to all the work and commitment from all parties.
Never fear - Change is good
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