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Author Topic: NobleCoin[NOBL] - 8% PoS | 1Yr+ | MARKETPLACE | PAY | GIFT | CHARITIES/MERCHANTS  (Read 1009148 times)
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March 12, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
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March 12, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
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I need to know why the burn address on the new chain holds 1.2 million NOBL (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/address.dws?9T6fgHG3unjQB6vpWozhBdiXDbQp3P7F8M.htm) and on the old chain holds 748 million NOBL (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/noblold/address.dws?9T6fgHG3unjQB6vpWozhBdiXDbQp3P7F8M.htm). Edit: Perhaps 'balance' is the wrong term, could use sent/received/burnt.

I also need to know what is happening with the extra 150-200 million NOBL 'premined' and I assume has been staked since?

You will have to forgive my ignorance if I'm missing something simple. They are the two primary questions I am consistently getting asked.

1. Total amount of coins was decreased by amount burnt so this was removed from equtation by fairglu's script. Not sure where you see 748mil? If you look closer both block explorers show same balance of 1.2 mil.

2. Regarding latest premine - check the rich #1 address on the list https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/#!rich You can easily see it was not staked. It will be burnt within 7 days.

3. Since we started talking about premine - I think it is good time for you to answer couple of questions:
- Are you going to be dev for Noblecoin? I think everyone (myself including) will be delighted if you confirm. People have right to know what your plans are.
- There is few things requiring immediate action - our website contains lots of stale links. This should be corrected. Are you going to work on this or should we start looking for someone from community to take care of this?
- FB/twitter accounts - are you going to actively promote this coins or should this be handed over to someone from community
- if you really want to quit you need to update community about status of original premine. AFAIK there is at least 30 mil coins remaining. And this should be burnt if you do not want to get involved anymore
- do you have OP rights on IRC channel?

My suggestion is: please stay with Noble and take role of leader who's main responsibility is working on business side. If you state something like that I am convinced we will be able to gather team of people working for Noble. We would need someone to take care of website, marketing (FB/twitter/promotional campaigns) etc. Myself I am willing to help with Noblecoin's code. I can also step down if you want to be the leader and will say so.
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March 12, 2015, 09:58:16 AM
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Hmm, I'm seeing the same "amount" received in both: 1,210,122.907805, which corresponds to a last burn in tx b179ea84d9b5e8c407f268938b68b3d35511cd1af71c5d842fe441cce46fad3f which had not been zero'ed, and thus ended up in the distribution script.

I have not yet tagged and zero'ed the burn address in the new chain, I will do it asap (this will affect the number of outstanding coins, market cap, and add the little 'burn' tag)

The zero'ing of burn addresses still involves a manual operation in the DB at the moment, which is why the 1.2 M burn slipped through :/

Cool. Thanks for clarifying this. So the several hundred millions was removed from supply?
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March 12, 2015, 09:59:40 AM
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How come? Please provide more details.
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March 12, 2015, 10:07:57 AM
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Fairglu, this is one for you...

My wallet shows 10m (which is correct), but the explorer only shows 4ish. Any ideas?

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March 12, 2015, 10:16:41 AM
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How to burn latest premine

I would like to ask for ideas how to burn the latest premine. AFAIK the address which was used to burn coins in exchange for NOXT was an address from origin block on POW blockchain. If this is true then I would prefer to use some other address since in theory it may be possible to have access to origin block. For the same reason I prefer not to use an address of origin block on POS blockchain.

So my question is: is this OK if address like 99999..999 (all nines) is used? Or something similar e.g. 989898...9898 or 9a9a9a...9a9a.
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March 12, 2015, 10:53:31 AM
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I need to know why the burn address on the new chain holds 1.2 million NOBL (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/address.dws?9T6fgHG3unjQB6vpWozhBdiXDbQp3P7F8M.htm) and on the old chain holds 748 million NOBL (https://chainz.cryptoid.info/noblold/address.dws?9T6fgHG3unjQB6vpWozhBdiXDbQp3P7F8M.htm). Edit: Perhaps 'balance' is the wrong term, could use sent/received/burnt.

I also need to know what is happening with the extra 150-200 million NOBL 'premined' and I assume has been staked since?

You will have to forgive my ignorance if I'm missing something simple. They are the two primary questions I am consistently getting asked.

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1. Total amount of coins was decreased by amount burnt so this was removed from equatation by fairglu's script. Not sure where you see 748mil? If you look closer both block explorers show same balance of 1.2 mil.

How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.

New chain now shows it as 19,575,462.587464 (with no corresponding transaction). Are these manual edits? It is gone again now.

I'm seeing 748mil in transactions transferred on the old blockchain that I am not seeing on the new one. That is important. Is there somewhere I can see a list of transactions I can verify instead then?

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2. Regarding latest premine - check the rich #1 address on the list https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/#!rich You can easily see it was not staked. It will be burnt within 7 days.

Fair enough I guess. Not my responsibility but I needed to ask because people think it's still me and a reflection of how we handled the original premine. Not sure why you've sat on them.

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3. Since we started talking about premine - I think it is good time for you to answer couple of questions:

These have been answered multiple times, and this is the last time I will be answering them.

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- Are you going to be dev for Noblecoin? I think everyone (myself including) will be delighted if you confirm. People have right to know what your plans are.

I was under the impression you are the dev. I had a mutiny on my hands almost daily and stepped back to let this new direction be handed over, one desired by yourself and others. I can accept that my direction and 'leadership' was no longer wanted, but I do not have the time nor care to spend a second year working for this in an extremely toxic environment (crypto in general as well as general community). Of course people have a right to know what my plans are, I made them public for 12 months and majority disapproved/disagreed. That is no hard feelings on my end, I gave it 100%, now take responsibility for your own plans then.

I do not wish to get into an argument over this again. I am stating it how it is. I have not prevented or 'sabotaged' anything as often stated. The offer for the site, FB, Twitter and ANN responsibility still stands - noone has taken me up on them. I am more than happy to hand over in good faith to those pushing the new direction.

My focus is on NOXT and business side of things, which will continue to provide services for NOBL. I can not afford to work with anonymous parties at this point in time that I do not know and that I have to answer and be responsible/accountable for.

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- What about SSL cert? This is max 30 mins job for someone who knows what to do. Cost is around $10

It is active - and currently looks fine for me. Perhaps a cache clearing is required on your end? The dates of the certificate can be seen for early March.

https://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=https://www.noblemovement.com

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- FB/twitter accounts - are you going to actively promote this coins or should this be handed over to someone from community

I've answered this multiple times. Including publicly in this thread. I was happy to hand over the Twitter/FB accounts as wanted to someone voted.

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- if you really want to quit you need to update community about status of original premine. AFAIK there is at least 30 mil coins remaining. And this should be burnt if you do not want to get involved anymore

This premine is gone. This stands. As well as all my original numbers and expenses and addresses of the original premine. I don't need to prove anything else to this community if after 12 months noone is satisfied.

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My suggestion is: please stay with Noble and take role of leader who's main responsibility is working on business side. If you state something like that I am convinced we will be able to gather team of people working for Noble. We would need someone to take care of website, marketing (FB/twitter/promotional campaigns) etc. Myself I am willing to help with Noblecoin's code.

My prime responsibilities are still the services.

You are free to vote in a new website. The www.noblemovement.com will have the same areas dedicated to the coin, once the new landing page is complete. I am happy to have someone have a layout and info. they access and update there, exactly as I was fine to do with the ANN (which also still noone has taken me up on). Or you are free to decide on your own.

I cannot stress enough how important it is for this chain that proof of burn of that 750 million NOBL is public and verifiable (as it is here, as well as the excess 200 million. Or else you have 1 billion NOBL unaccountable for to regular Joe and potential savvy entrants in the future.. do you understand what that means?

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I would like to ask for ideas how to burn the latest premine. AFAIK the address which was used to burn coins in exchange for NOXT was an address from origin block on POW blockchain.

The address is a provably unspendable one that is universal to BTC forks, outlined in detail and explained at the time. The links and details on how that works would still be around here somewhere.

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March 12, 2015, 10:55:09 AM
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Fairglu, this is one for you...

My wallet shows 10m (which is correct), but the explorer only shows 4ish. Any ideas?

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Your wallet knows all your addresses, including change addresses, so your coins are probably there, but unless they're spent and taint analysis can find them, only you can know those addresses (see first question in https://chainz.cryptoid.info/faq.dws)

Taint analysis found 2 change addresses of your wallet f.i. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/wallet.dws?18406.htm

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March 12, 2015, 10:58:29 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

these are manual edits? Edit: and now it's gone..

I'm currently improving the address page for burn to change labels as you suggested and clarify stuff, bear with me Smiley

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March 12, 2015, 11:03:36 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

Right. That part I was wrong on, apologies. The rest still stands.

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March 12, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
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Rofo, I don't understand, the other day you said you had invested too much time and effort into Noble to give up on it, but you sound today like you want nothing to do with it.

If you can find a quote where we have said we want control of Noble from you then please post it. The reason we have not actively taken control of anything is because (and I only speak for myself) we feel that Noble needs you. If you don't want to take control completely, could you come back at a diminished capacity and take on some smaller parts maybe?

It would be sad for you to abandon Noble completely, and I think that you are seeing hate where there is frustration and confusion. There is no hate here.
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March 12, 2015, 11:09:45 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

Right. That part I was wrong on, apologies. The rest still stands.

So you know understand where the 750 million NOBL went? It was basically burnt and there was no reason to include these coins on new block chain again.
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March 12, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

Right. That part I was wrong on, apologies. The rest still stands.

So you know understand where the 750 million NOBL went?

You're telling me that proof of burn on this new chain is no longer verifiable or in a burn address/historically reflected?

Edit: I'm accepting this and shouldn't have brought it up then. None of it is relevant anymore on this chain anyway since the burn is over. I do not mean to get into a philosophical argument over this. It's causing issues on my end (linking accounts, individuals, rewards, Nobility etc.) I will deal with on the old chain history. I would still advise burning the large premine.

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March 12, 2015, 11:22:11 AM
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Updates done, be sure to do a Ctrl+F5 refresh on the burn pages.

I'm seeing 748mil in transactions transferred on the old blockchain that I am not seeing on the new one.

The new chain distributed the premine to addresses with balances, as the burn was zero'ed, it was not transfered, except for the 1.2 M transaction which was not zero'ed, and thus ended up in the script and was burned on the new chain as well.

That is important. Is there somewhere I can see a list of transactions I can verify instead then?

Old chain transactions are in the old chain explorer, in the new explorer, there will be only premine distribution, which distributed balances at the time of the snapshot.

My focus is on NOXT and business side of things, which will continue to provide services for NOBL. I can not afford to work with anonymous parties at this point in time that I do not know and that I have to answer and be responsible/accountable for.
Understandable. I for one am quite public (name in clear in whois, micro-company info available on demand with EU VAT number and such, which incidentally means a fair share of the funding I get goes to tax, but hey).

Happy to know you will still be around, I'm thinking things will probably have to get a bit worse in cryptos (in terms of law and regulations) before they'll get better, so hang on!

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March 12, 2015, 11:22:57 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

Right. That part I was wrong on, apologies. The rest still stands.

So you know understand where the 750 million NOBL went?

You're telling me that proof of burn on this new chain is no longer verifiable or in a burn address/historically reflected?

My understanding about old block explorer is this:
- all transactions on burn address are correct
- balance was manually lowered since this money was not spendable/burnt
- total balance is sum of all balances at all addresses so if you wanted to include amount burnt you need to add it to total balance. I remember when total balance showed by block explorer went temporarily below 2 bln as effect of burning process.

New blockchain at time of switch reflected all balances (according to block explorer) on old blockchain. And since burn address contained 1.2 mil coins exactly same amount was distributed to this address.
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March 12, 2015, 11:25:33 AM
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You're telling me that proof of burn on this new chain is no longer verifiable or in a burn address/historically reflected?

Even if the premine had distributed the old burns, it could not have served as proof, since it would not have come from the same origin address, and it could not have come from the same origin address without having the private keys to those :/

AFAIK the only way to have the proofs conserved would have been a blockchain hard fork (switching PoS at a certain height but conserving all the previous blockchain data).

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March 12, 2015, 11:28:56 AM
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How were they decreased? It was a 2.2ish billion original and 2.4ish billion new chain? That's an increase. I look closely, one shows me all the transactions as proof of burn, one does not.
The old chain outstanding coins figure of 2.2 billion in the old chain is with the burns subtracted.

Right. That part I was wrong on, apologies. The rest still stands.

So you know understand where the 750 million NOBL went?

You're telling me that proof of burn on this new chain is no longer verifiable or in a burn address/historically reflected?

Edit: I'm accepting this and shouldn't have brought it up then. None of it is relevant anymore on this chain anyway since the burn is over. I do not mean to get into a philosophical argument over this. It's causing issues on my end (linking accounts, individuals, rewards, Nobility etc.) I will deal with on the old chain history. I would still advise burning the large premine.

Good to hear balance of burn address is explained now.

Regarding latest premine - as I said today it would be burnt within 7 days.
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March 12, 2015, 12:21:19 PM
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I was under the impression you are the dev. I had a mutiny on my hands almost daily and stepped back to let this new direction be handed over, one desired by yourself and others. I can accept that my direction and 'leadership' was no longer wanted, but I do not have the time nor care to spend a second year working for this in an extremely toxic environment (crypto in general as well as general community). Of course people have a right to know what my plans are, I made them public for 12 months and majority disapproved/disagreed. That is no hard feelings on my end, I gave it 100%, now take responsibility for your own plans then.

We spoke about this one week ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.msg10622128#msg10622128). This is not a take-over and this is not my coin but this coin was started by you and what people loved was your vision of coupling crypto currency with business side. I have explained my role as I see it - helping with technical side.

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I do not wish to get into an argument over this again. I am stating it how it is. I have not prevented or 'sabotaged' anything as often stated. The offer for the site, FB, Twitter and ANN responsibility still stands - noone has taken me up on them. I am more than happy to hand over in good faith to those pushing the new direction.

My focus is on NOXT and business side of things, which will continue to provide services for NOBL. I can not afford to work with anonymous parties at this point in time that I do not know and that I have to answer and be responsible/accountable for.

I never said you were sabotaging. And you never asked about sharing my personal details with yourself. However at this point in time I will probably just wait few months to see what develops around NOXT/NOBLE and decide if I am still part of the picture.

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- What about SSL cert? This is max 30 mins job for someone who knows what to do. Cost is around $10

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It is active - and currently looks fine for me. Perhaps a cache clearing is required on your end? The dates of the certificate can be seen for early March.

https://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=https://www.noblemovement.com

Cool. Thanks. You have also updated few sections on our website adding link to cryptsy etc. Thank you!

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I've answered this multiple times. Including publicly in this thread. I was happy to hand over the Twitter/FB accounts as wanted to someone voted.

Thanks for clarification. I think we should start looking for someone interested within the community to work on this. Anyone willing to take care of marketing for Noble?

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- if you really want to quit you need to update community about status of original premine. AFAIK there is at least 30 mil coins remaining. And this should be burnt if you do not want to get involved anymore

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This premine is gone. This stands. As well as all my original numbers and expenses and addresses of the original premine. I don't need to prove anything else to this community if after 12 months noone is satisfied.

The document does not discuss much about Noble premine. It focuses on $$ and BTC. I remember there was list of premine addresses and you were explaining how funds from premine were spent. Possibly a good idea to link these from this document?

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My suggestion is: please stay with Noble and take role of leader who's main responsibility is working on business side. If you state something like that I am convinced we will be able to gather team of people working for Noble. We would need someone to take care of website, marketing (FB/twitter/promotional campaigns) etc. Myself I am willing to help with Noblecoin's code.

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My prime responsibilities are still the services.
You are free to vote in a new website. The www.noblemovement.com will have the same areas dedicated to the coin, once the new landing page is complete. I am happy to have someone have a layout and info. they access and update there, exactly as I was fine to do with the ANN (which also still noone has taken me up on). Or you are free to decide on your own.

Anyone willing to take care of website development?
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Do we have any update on Cryptsy wallet switch? It's still under construction Huh

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Do we have any update on Cryptsy wallet switch? It's still under construction Huh

I asked them, they know nothing!
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