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November 13, 2013, 03:47:39 PM
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Escrow is only an issue because the site would hold that money of many but with bitcoin that is not needed. With bitcoin the deal could be a 2/3 transaction with the seller defining an address under his control for each item. The buyer would broadcast an unsigned transaction that needs either the site's or his signature to complete and should contain an output for the site to pay for the escrow.

No need for these sites to hold any money apart from their fees and with such a system (which would probably need new client software to be developed) the need for more complicated registration should vanish as well.

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November 13, 2013, 11:57:10 PM
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We are planning to let another company take over Bitmit. Meanwhile we deactivated the site to let you withdraw your funds & complete your orders. The chances are good that Bitmit will be continued.
We are still taking serious offers!
I guess the offers until now were just not in the ballpark they expect.
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November 14, 2013, 12:12:01 AM
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It's likely that the offers will get lower and lower now.
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November 14, 2013, 12:23:50 AM
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We are planning to let another company take over Bitmit. Meanwhile we deactivated the site to let you withdraw your funds & complete your orders. The chances are good that Bitmit will be continued.
We are still taking serious offers!
I guess the offers until now were just not in the ballpark they expect.

Bitmit is a hot iron I wouldn't touch without completely decoupling or rewriting all code that touches the coins. How can you know this anonymous vendor didn't leave a backdoor somewhere?
Sure, the brand and its user base is worth more than the numbers I read here, but one site going down is also a good point to see which other site will profit from it. It's one thing to change ownership while all is running smoothly (like they did before). It is a completely other thing and very stupid if you ask me, to totally disrupt the business, push the users to whatever calls itself competitor and only produce bad news for weeks of chaos. wtf? What a way to waste money?

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November 14, 2013, 12:36:40 AM
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I absolutely agree with how this thing was handled.
And i would expect to receive the source code aswell when buying a company.
BTW: The 2/3 external Escrow is an excellent idea, but i guess they were making good money by holding the coins themselves.
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November 14, 2013, 12:41:27 AM
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I absolutely agree with how this thing was handled.
And i would expect to receive the source code aswell when buying a company.
BTW: The 2/3 external Escrow is an excellent idea, but i guess they were making good money by holding the coins themselves.
You'd make the same amount.  You just carry less risk but not sure about coding it.  For a multi sig address do you need to know all the private keys or just public to combine them?
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November 14, 2013, 01:29:03 AM
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Why does escrow need to be built into the auction site itself is my question?  Why not just use an external escrow system like BTCrow.com if the transaction calls for escrow?  Then BTC users don't have to deal with all the shady BTC auction sites that won't reveal their identity to consumers. 

Besides, it's not like escrow can't be gamed.  The seller ships a box of full of nothing to the buyer and provides a tracking number.  Or the buyer claims that he/she received a box of nothing when they actually got the item.

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November 14, 2013, 01:35:53 AM
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Besides, it's not like escrow can't be gamed.  The seller ships a box of full of nothing to the buyer and provides a tracking number.  Or the buyer claims that he/she received a box of nothing when they actually got the item.

Doesn't the seller send the box to bitmit, which verifies the product and only then forwards to the buyer ? I understand paying a premium for that, not otherwise.
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November 14, 2013, 01:49:17 AM
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Besides, it's not like escrow can't be gamed.  The seller ships a box of full of nothing to the buyer and provides a tracking number.  Or the buyer claims that he/she received a box of nothing when they actually got the item.

Doesn't the seller send the box to bitmit, which verifies the product and only then forwards to the buyer ? I understand paying a premium for that, not otherwise.

No, with escrow the buyer sends the money to the escrow company.  The escrow company then tells the seller "okay, we got the money, send the item." Buyer receives the item and tells the escrow company "everything is good, send the money to the seller."  If the buyer doesn't receive the item, then the escrow service sends the money back to the buyer. 

But the system is easily gamed.  The seller can send an empty box, and provide a tracking number to the escrow company to "prove" that they sent the item and then it is the seller's word against the buyers word about what was in the box.

I think it is better to just build up a reputable auction site that doesn't get shut down every year for offering escrow without a license.  Have that site build up user reputations via an ebay like user rating/review system.  If users want to sell with escrow for an item, then they can use a 3rd party escrow site that is licensed to provide escrow services.

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November 14, 2013, 02:00:26 AM
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Besides, it's not like escrow can't be gamed.  The seller ships a box of full of nothing to the buyer and provides a tracking number.  Or the buyer claims that he/she received a box of nothing when they actually got the item.

Doesn't the seller send the box to bitmit, which verifies the product and only then forwards to the buyer ? I understand paying a premium for that, not otherwise.

No, with escrow the buyer sends the money to the escrow company.  The escrow company then tells the seller "okay, we got the money, send the item." Buyer receives the item and tells the escrow company "everything is good, send the money to the seller."  If the buyer doesn't receive the item, then the escrow service sends the money back to the buyer. 

But the system is easily gamed.  The seller can send an empty box, and provide a tracking number to the escrow company to "prove" that they sent the item and then it is the seller's word against the buyers word about what was in the box.

I don't understand why you are repeating that, will you paste that same text again after this reply too ? What you are mentioning is one escrow method, there are others like the one I mentioned. I won't bother repeating it, people can read the previous post.
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November 14, 2013, 02:30:55 AM
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I hope some real professionals with deep pockets for developers, marketers, and lawyers step up to buy BitMit.

BitMit has the potential to be the next eBay, just as Bitcoin may replace Paypal.

Sure you could roll your own BitMit clone.  Many people are trying that approach.

But just as eBay's first mover advantage provided them with instant dotcom name recognition, BitMit's overwhelming early market presence makes their brand very valuable.

With some adult supervision, the room for growth is mind-boggling.

Maybe a Coinsortium of investors will purchase BitMit and take it public on Kate's new Ciphertrade exchange...   Wink

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November 14, 2013, 02:33:36 AM
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I hope some real professionals with deep pockets for developers, marketers, and lawyers step up to buy BitMit.

BitMit has the potential to be the next eBay, just as Bitcoin may replace Paypal.

Sure you could roll your own BitMit clone.  Many people are trying that approach.

But just as eBay's first mover advantage provided them with instant dotcom name recognition, BitMit's overwhelming early market presence makes their brand very valuable.

With some adult supervision, the room for growth is mind-boggling.

Maybe a Coinsortium of investors will purchase BitMit and take it public on Kate's new Ciphertrade exchange...   Wink

Some people don't realize there is no need to be the first in the market. Do you search with Yahoo or Google ? If none, you are likely searching with other option which is even newer than them.
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November 14, 2013, 04:41:38 AM
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I hope some real professionals with deep pockets for developers, marketers, and lawyers step up to buy BitMit.

BitMit has the potential to be the next eBay, just as Bitcoin may replace Paypal.

Sure you could roll your own BitMit clone.  Many people are trying that approach.

But just as eBay's first mover advantage provided them with instant dotcom name recognition, BitMit's overwhelming early market presence makes their brand very valuable.

With some adult supervision, the room for growth is mind-boggling.

Maybe a Coinsortium of investors will purchase BitMit and take it public on Kate's new Ciphertrade exchange...   Wink

Some people don't realize there is no need to be the first in the market. Do you search with Yahoo or Google ? If none, you are likely searching with other option which is even newer than them.

I was making 1-2 sales per day using bitmit. Using coingig and cryptothrift I have made 1 sale in the past week. I miss bitmit.

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I hope some real professionals with deep pockets for developers, marketers, and lawyers step up to buy BitMit.

BitMit has the potential to be the next eBay, just as Bitcoin may replace Paypal.

Sure you could roll your own BitMit clone.  Many people are trying that approach.

But just as eBay's first mover advantage provided them with instant dotcom name recognition, BitMit's overwhelming early market presence makes their brand very valuable.

With some adult supervision, the room for growth is mind-boggling.

Maybe a Coinsortium of investors will purchase BitMit and take it public on Kate's new Ciphertrade exchange...   Wink

Some people don't realize there is no need to be the first in the market. Do you search with Yahoo or Google ? If none, you are likely searching with other option which is even newer than them.

I was making 1-2 sales per day using bitmit. Using coingig and cryptothrift I have made 1 sale in the past week. I miss bitmit.

It is likely that coingig and cryptothrift won't achieve the same user base as bitmit, just because they add nothing to what we already got and have to build trust. You don't need to be the first in the game, but you need to add some good value to the service if you want to take over (hint to the new sites: bad talking about the competitors doesn't add value). In this specific case it will be very easy to take over as bitmit is going away, but most likely some of the user base will stop using this kind of service, and other part will fragment among the available options.
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November 14, 2013, 06:49:34 AM
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But the system is easily gamed.  The seller can send an empty box, and provide a tracking number to the escrow company to "prove" that they sent the item and then it is the seller's word against the buyers word about what was in the box.

That would not have fooled Bitmit's Escrow system. They made individual inquiries in every case, AFAIK. A tracking number is $2 and proves nothing.

I was making 1-2 sales per day using bitmit. Using coingig and cryptothrift I have made 1 sale in the past week. I miss bitmit.

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November 14, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
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The text on the site has changed again:
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We are planning to let another company take over Bitmit. Meanwhile we deactivated the site to let you withdraw your funds & complete your orders. The chances are good that Bitmit will be continued.
We are still taking serious offers!
I guess the offers until now were just not in the ballpark they expect.


It is a crock, they appear to be watching this forum and the comments,and looking for someone who knows fuck all about the site value and is stupid enough to be bullshitted into a stupid amount.

The reality of the situation is  what exactly are you buying?

1. 'goodwill' ~ questionable…
2  'Assets' codebase+Domain name.
3. 'Liabilities'… potentially a shit load.


And if you do not have a clear LEGAL bill of sale, you are going to be in the shit, because when the  authorities come knocking you have no proof that it was NOT YOU running the site all along.
Which in turn is  potentially a shit load of legal action against you in the future.

Saying you 'legally' bought a  suspect business, in no way absolves you from legal responsibility.

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November 14, 2013, 09:08:19 AM
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But the system is easily gamed.  The seller can send an empty box, and provide a tracking number to the escrow company to "prove" that they sent the item and then it is the seller's word against the buyers word about what was in the box.

That would not have fooled Bitmit's Escrow system. They made individual inquiries in every case, AFAIK. A tracking number is $2 and proves nothing.

In the case of starsoccer9, it absolutely did fool the "system" (which used to say that an empty unboxing video was sufficient proof of seller fraud). Bitmit attempted to revise history and claim this was never their policy, and effectively said that the tracking number alone was more proof that the item was delivered, than the unboxing video with the label still on, showing the seller & buyers' name/address, and tracking #, tape being cut away, revealing an empty box.

Shortly after, the site starts shutting down.

Scammit.

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November 14, 2013, 03:37:37 PM
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is it just me or does anyone else see that coingig does not have SSL encryption enabled.!

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is it just me or does anyone else see that coingig does not have SSL encryption enabled.!

If I'm not mistaken, I think someone pointed that out earlier in this thread.
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is it just me or does anyone else see that coingig does not have SSL encryption enabled.!

If I'm not mistaken, I think someone pointed that out earlier in this thread.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.!

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