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[Minotaur26]

A few questions of my mind

if government order to all ISPs in country for block list of ip's (all masternod ip) all of my send packed never received to this ip what happened?  Dash useless on this country?

If the answer to the first question is yes,The situation is slightly changing :

dash didn't open source so government doesn't know anything about work of codes inside dash.

there are masternode around the world and list of  masternode ip address not public.

with sniff packet from program of dash (dash-qt.exe) Can understand what IP application connected? (my mean make list of masternode ip for start to add in blocklist by ISP)

If the answer to the second question is yes, what is the solution?

government have power so if want stop dash best method is try to stop access to use Dash by internet and block massternods ip.

Thank you

Stop worrying about Masternodes, attacking the two or three pools that own the vast majority of the hash is literally a thousand times simpler and cheaper method of wrecking the network.

3 pools vs 3000 Masternodes...  

Ok but you didn't answer his questions.  

If the govt wanted to tell ISPs to block the protocol, they could.  The thing is though that they aren't going to block it everywhere in the world so anyone could just set up in a different country.

I've always been an advocate of hiding the ip addresses and possibly a pool of ports to use so it would be harder to see/block.  If we used port 80 instead of 9999, I think it would be much tougher to be seen and blocked by the man imho.

I think is important to notice that the same thing applies to any coin full nodes, we follow "masternodes" closer because they get paid and they provide a few additional services. But you could theoretically do the same with Bitcoin or any coin's nodes.  The whole point of decentralization is having many nodes in different locations and jurisdictions to make the network resistant to control.  It is highly unlikely to expect that there wont be any crypto friendly jurisdictions in the future, and even in an extreme case a peer to peer crypto mesh network using RF or something, could be a possibility.

[thelonecrouton]

A few questions of my mind

if government order to all ISPs in country for block list of ip's (all masternod ip) all of my send packed never received to this ip what happened?  Dash useless on this country?

If the answer to the first question is yes,The situation is slightly changing :

dash didn't open source so government doesn't know anything about work of codes inside dash.

there are masternode around the world and list of  masternode ip address not public.

with sniff packet from program of dash (dash-qt.exe) Can understand what IP application connected? (my mean make list of masternode ip for start to add in blocklist by ISP)

If the answer to the second question is yes, what is the solution?

government have power so if want stop dash best method is try to stop access to use Dash by internet and block massternods ip.

Thank you

Stop worrying about Masternodes, attacking the two or three pools that own the vast majority of the hash is literally a thousand times simpler and cheaper method of wrecking the network.

3 pools vs 3000 Masternodes...  

Ok but you didn't answer his questions.  

If the govt wanted to tell ISPs to block the protocol, they could.  The thing is though that they aren't going to block it everywhere in the world so anyone could just set up in a different country.

I've always been an advocate of hiding the ip addresses and possibly a pool of ports to use so it would be harder to see/block.  If we used port 80 instead of 9999, I think it would be much tougher to be seen and blocked by the man imho.

Short of taking the whole Masternode/mining pool/miners/users shebang dark, you're SOL, and it still wouldn't be attack proof. Start thinking about ways to improve the adaptive response to attack instead.

Faster and simpler MN (re)setutp, deterministic port switching, packet impersonation, an entire already-running failover network... hell there are 3000 DASH servers out there with a whole crapload of bandwidth - start thinking countermeasures.  

[Minotaur26]

ICO vs Decentralized Budget system

I think the introduction of projects like Ethereum, Blockstream and many crypto start ups with VC funding makes clear that in order to develop a project long term you need funding.  I think an adaptive system like Dash's decentralized budget system, where funding is voted by an assembly of people on an ongoing basis, without the existence of a central budget under the control of a central authority is far superior than the ICO model for a crypto start-up.

From experience, investing too much too soon is a very common mistake when building a new project/company. At the beginning you know less about your own business and it takes time to build a vision that you are ready to follow for several years.  That means you normally have to try a few different things before you find your way and are at risk of investing too much on those first 3 years of operation and then having funding issues later on.  

On the other hand,  having no funds at all is a far worse situation to be in as it does not allow you to hire the services of companies and individuals a project needs to reach its development goals and to communicate to the public about the solution.  So is clear that either an ICO or Dash's system is far superior than no funds or relying solely on altruism.

The advantage I see in Dash's approach is that getting funds on a as needed basis and through a public approval process prevents unnecessary spending, is more transparent and most importantly it allows the project to invest organically and adapt to a changing market environment.  So as the priorities of the market shift you are able to invest in different directions. For example, the market right now is very interested in scalability solutions, Evan is already working on a very cool model for Dash that will be presented when he is ready.  Other important hidden needs may come up in the future that are not visible right now but with an adaptive funding system we will be ready to approach those when they come up.

I think during the first few years an adaptive decentralized funding system, like Dash's, is superior to getting a large amount of money up-front.  After you reach critical mass and a project has found its niche and is more stable; having a larger centralized budget could be better. But having controls and voted spending at the beginning will give a community driven project like Dash a far greater chance of success. It is not the only factor, you also need true talent and innovation, a hard working community, good timing to market  and good karma, but a sustainable funding model is definitely a very important factor and quite challenging to implement.  So I think after September 5th a whole new paradigm begins for Dash.

 

[blajde]

A few questions of my mind

if government order to all ISPs in country for block list of ip's (all masternod ip) all of my send packed never received to this ip what happened?  Dash useless on this country?

If the answer to the first question is yes,The situation is slightly changing :

dash didn't open source so government doesn't know anything about work of codes inside dash.

there are masternode around the world and list of  masternode ip address not public.

with sniff packet from program of dash (dash-qt.exe) Can understand what IP application connected? (my mean make list of masternode ip for start to add in blocklist by ISP)

If the answer to the second question is yes, what is the solution?

government have power so if want stop dash best method is try to stop access to use Dash by internet and block massternods ip.

Thank you

Stop worrying about Masternodes, attacking the two or three pools that own the vast majority of the hash is literally a thousand times simpler and cheaper method of wrecking the network.

3 pools vs 3000 Masternodes...  

Ok but you didn't answer his questions.  

If the govt wanted to tell ISPs to block the protocol, they could.  The thing is though that they aren't going to block it everywhere in the world so anyone could just set up in a different country.

I've always been an advocate of hiding the ip addresses and possibly a pool of ports to use so it would be harder to see/block.  If we used port 80 instead of 9999, I think it would be much tougher to be seen and blocked by the man imho.

Short of taking the whole Masternode/mining pool/miners/users shebang dark, you're SOL, and it still wouldn't be attack proof. Start thinking about ways to improve the adaptive response to attack instead.

Faster and simpler MN (re)setutp, deterministic port switching, packet impersonation, an entire already-running failover network... hell there are 3000 DASH servers out there with a whole crapload of bandwidth - start thinking countermeasures.  

The US is not the only country in the world

[Jestah]

Short of taking the whole Masternode/mining pool/miners/users shebang dark, you're SOL, and it still wouldn't be attack proof. Start thinking about ways to improve the adaptive response to attack instead.

Faster and simpler MN (re)setutp, deterministic port switching, packet impersonation, an entire already-running failover network... hell there are 3000 DASH servers out there with a whole crapload of bandwidth - start thinking countermeasures.  

He wasn't asking about being attacked.  Just about the nosy governments of the world stepping in since they can currently find MNs very very easily.

I am on your side regarding the silly pool mining, talk about centralization and being vulnerable.  But that argument really misses the mark since the OP originally asked about the gov shutting down his/everyone's MN at the ISP level and how we can "hide" better.

[GhostPlayer]

 
 Hands up.

  Who hates 22+ minute blocks when you really need a quick one? lol...

[r4vani]

Thanks for your answers, If the government feels threatened by blocking all IP nodes use Masternodes and were limited in their own country is quite useless in that country (I know the way circumvent but we talking about ordinary people).

[r4vani]

He wasn't asking about being attacked.  Just about the nosy governments of the world stepping in since they can currently find MNs very very easily.

I am on your side regarding the silly pool mining, talk about centralization and being vulnerable.  But that argument really misses the mark since the OP originally asked about the gov shutting down his/everyone's MN at the ISP level and how we can "hide" better.

+1
You know exactly what I mean

[Sub-Ether]

Hands up.
  Who hates 22+ minute blocks when you really need a quick one? lol...

First exchange to incorporate instantX coming online soon 

[GhostPlayer]

Hands up.
  Who hates 22+ minute blocks when you really need a quick one? lol...

First exchange to incorporate instantX coming online soon 

 Oh man, that is just so cruel of you ...   

 

[Sub-Ether]

Hands up.
  Who hates 22+ minute blocks when you really need a quick one? lol...

First exchange to incorporate instantX coming online soon 

Oh man, that is just so cruel of you ...   
 

Thats nothing compared to the new and revised blockchain efficiency calculations that will be published shortly

[GhostPlayer]

Thats nothing compared to the new and revised blockchain efficiency calculations that will be published shortly

 I love the smell of a Tao ratio analysis in the morning of a grand launch ... (if I read between the lines correct)  

[toknormal]

Stock market rant.

[toknormal]

ok. Time to upgrade. Unfortunately I have spent too much time on monetary topics on these forums and none on technical ones but I kind of noticed some posts flying past about v12 stuff which made me think that this upgrade might have banana skins.

Is there anything different from what I usually do ?

[1] - DOWNLOAD:

wget  https://www.dashpay.io/binaries/dash-0.12.0.47-linux64.tar.gz

[2] - EXPAND:

tar xfvz dash-0.12.0.47-linux64.tar.gz

[3] - GRAVITATE

cd dash-0.12.0.47-linux64/bin/64

[4] - OWN

chmod +x dashd

[5] - MOVE

mv -i dashd /usr/bin/dashd

[6] - LAUNCH

dashd

Is that it ? Do I need to change any of this ?

EDIT 1: Well I already noticed 1 difference. The "Gravitate" phase is now "cd dash-0.12.0/bin" since each client now has its own unique package so we don't need the /64 anymore. Is that it ?

[orangecycle]

ok. Time to upgrade. Unfortunately I have spent too much time on monetary topics on these forums and none on technical ones but I kind of noticed some posts flying past about v12 stuff which made me think that this upgrade might have banana skins.

Is there anything different from what I usually do ?

[1] - DOWNLOAD:

wget  https://www.dashpay.io/binaries/dash-0.12.0.47-linux64.tar.gz

[2] - EXPAND:

tar xfvz dash-0.12.0.47-linux64.tar.gz

[3] - GRAVITATE

cd dash-0.12.0.47-linux64/bin/64

[4] - OWN

chmod +x dashd

[5] - MOVE

mv -i dashd /usr/bin/dashd

[6] - LAUNCH

dashd

Is that it ? Do I need to change any of this ?

EDIT 1: Well I already noticed 1 difference. The "Gravitate" phase is now "cd dash-0.12.0/bin" since each client now has its own unique package so we don't need the /64 anymore. Is that it ?

If you are moving from v11 to v12, don't forget to reindex.

dashd --reindex

You should also install the dash-cli.

[toknormal]

Thanks !

But what's the "dash-cli" stuff all about ?  I usually execute masternode start-many from the QT client on the Mac. Do I still need those extra lines in the masternode launch procedure on Linux ?

EDIT 1: Sorry - just noticed your "if that's your thing" remark. Thanks again for the tips  

EDIT 2: Ah ! So you can't do "dashd getinfo" anymore on the client or you get this error:

dashd getinfo
Error: There is no RPC client functionality in dashd getinfo anymore. Use the dash-cli utility instead.


Now your post makes sense ! (Nice that the error reports tell you what to do b.t.w.).

[someredguy]

I must admit that DASH is my favorite cryptocurrency. I deem it as the best candidate to take over an important role in the economy in the future :-)

It is currently "on-sale"! Cruise on over to https://shapeshift.io/# and convert some of those Bitcoins/Litecoins/Dogecoins/*Coins into DASH.

[mamahdedeh]

Thanks for your answers, If the government feels threatened by blocking all IP nodes use Masternodes and were limited in their own country is quite useless in that country (I know the way circumvent but we talking about ordinary people).

I worry if some countries supervise masternode and blocking some IP, when ordinary people want to want to try get in then they will think twice when they first step did not succeed

[rentahash]

Stock market rant.

I am in long position on EUR / USD
Gambling, but is going in my favor so far !!!

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Stock market rant.

Chinese markets down 8%. Crypto a safe haven?