[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[TanteStefana2]

just floating a photo of a slide with no context and some scattered hints in forums doesn't cut it.

Sounds like you kinda missed this:

Evan Duffield Explains Dash Technology and Announces Evolution at Bitcoin Wednesday

No, I saw it. But it didn't really add much to the photo we had already seen. There were a couple of hints in the QA video, if you had the patience to sit through it, but nothing I'd call substantial

No there is nothing substantial, well, no real explanation, but that's because it's secret.  Why?  Protecting first mover's advantage.  I suspect that in January hysteria will brake lose.  If  you think we have trolls now, wait until then!  LOL.

Anyway, We all have to wait to know what's happening, and us cultists will do so dutifully because we trust Evan.  This is not trustless.  Dash centers around our core developers.  Obviously, they know what's going on, and they seem to think it's doable, and they've shown themselves to be intelligent and very bright.  So yah, need to evaluate, has Evan come through before?  Yes, some things he dropped like 2FA and MN blinding because even back then, he said he had an idea for a better way.  That idea turned into Evolution.  So there seems to be good reason for not coming through on those two items.  Why waste effort?

So yah, I trust Evan, so do a lot of us cultists.  It's been exciting and amazing to watch this coin get better and better.  Always something new around the corner.  No wonder we're cultists!  Best cult to be in here

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[Solarminer]

Check out the charts today.  Dash just jumped at the same time BTC jumped.  Even LTC and some of the other alts enjoyed a boost.
Maybe the reaction to the FED not raising rates again.  Tick, Tick, Tick, how long can they push the debt bubble out...

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2015/10/catastrophe-on-all-fronts-there-is-no-recovery/

[the-baker]

Well...for currencies besides Dash the risk is somewhat reduced by the fact that the effects of such a backdoor can immediately be observed, whereas with Dash the "spork" model means that an exploit can be hidden away and only activated at a later stage, or the network can be remotely forked by anyone who holds the spork key.

BTW: the effects of the backdoor can be observed in both cases when it is used, and not any earlier. So there is really no difference in that regard. The forking is of course possible, but that is easily observable, too, or am I missing something?

[stan.distortion]

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Paper wallets or usb sticks? Nah InstantX to people in the crowd. Preferably to their phones. Boom.

great idea but do we have a mobile wallet that supports instanTX?

By then hopefully..Problem with that idea is getting their addresses. Spose they could just skype/email them to him.. but seems clunky. First 10 messaged addresses from the room gets 10 dash!

Maybe NFC business cards? Anyone that's met the Dash reps face to face would get a random amount then regardless of where they where, not sure if they could hold a wallet file though.

[toknormal]

If you can't understand the implications of what I said then it would behove you to discuss it with me, rather than insulting me.

What if we buy you a case of beer with blockchain budget proposal ? (un-sporked of course. You could do the taste test). I for one may have insulted you by suggesting you used a Sinclair Spectrum for which I apologise ( - that might have been agesist of me    )

All the same, setting aside the inflammatory rhetoric on both sides, you raise some useful points. The Spork is a powerful and appropriate tool for this project and code transparency is a a necessary security priority. They need to be reconciled.

[Macrochip]

Well...for currencies besides Dash the risk is somewhat reduced by the fact that the effects of such a backdoor can immediately be observed, whereas with Dash the "spork" model means that an exploit can be hidden away and only activated at a later stage, or the network can be remotely forked by anyone who holds the spork key.

Wrong.

The spork is merely a secondary lever, not a magical "activate terrible code"-button. A malicious Monero developer for example could implement "underhanded code" into your official GUI-wallet release (you know, in 2045 or so when it's finished) with the simple instruction of having it activate when certain conditions are met, like a date, a block height, a difficulty level, even a certain transaction amount or a combination of any of these conditions. Heck, for all I care he could program his own spork as underhanded code into your release and create the same exact scenario you just tried to reduce onto DASH.

As you can see, your central argument has been easily refuted, making Dash just as vulnerable to that method as any other crypto. Not more, as you tried to construct. Nice try though.

[salmion]

If you can't understand the implications of what I said then it would behove you to discuss it with me, rather than insulting me.

What if we buy you a case of beer with blockchain budget proposal ? (un-sporked of course. You could do the taste test). I for one may have insulted you by suggesting you used a Sinclair Spectrum for which I apologise ( - that might have been agesist of me    )

All the same, setting aside the inflammatory rhetoric on both sides, you raise some useful points. The Spork is a powerful and appropriate tool for this project and code transparency is a a necessary security priority.

Mentions of Spectrums make me all nostalgic...
I can remember coding game graphics with a friend of mine on a commodore 64.

[afbitcoins]

Heres a look at a Dash chart from the Cryptowatch website using data from the Poloniex exchange. Chart is showing all Dash vs Bitcoin data available with 1 week candles.



https://cryptowat.ch/poloniex/dashbtc

At the moment selling volume appears to be growing and price is falling steeply. Could it be Dash is near capitulation for this bear move ?

Although the technical picture looks quite grim with most uptrending lines now broken a falling wedge can be considered a bullish sign. Dash is looking oversold in relation to bollinger bands and RSI.

Dash can remain bearish for a while yet but if bitcoin goes parabolic, dash (and other alts) may go like bitcoin on steroids.

[TanteStefana2]

If you can't understand the implications of what I said then it would behove you to discuss it with me, rather than insulting me.

What if we buy you a case of beer with blockchain budget proposal ? (un-sporked of course. You could do the taste test). I for one may have insulted you by suggesting you used a Sinclair Spectrum for which I apologise ( - that might have been agesist of me    )

All the same, setting aside the inflammatory rhetoric on both sides, you raise some useful points. The Spork is a powerful and appropriate tool for this project and code transparency is a a necessary security priority.

I think Evan once said he was working on a way to make the Spork automatic.  Automatic triggers and automatic reversions.  I can see this working.  And it would make the spork completely decentralized, removing the accusations and keeping the functionality.  But it's been a while, so I don't know if this is going anywhere?

[tungfa]

World's First DAPI: Decentralized Application Programming Interface
 
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115510/worlds-first-dapi-decentralized-application-programming-interface

[Macrochip]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115510/worlds-first-dapi-decentralized-application-programming-interface

Cool!

Very cool indeed! I wish DASH could team up with Augur

DAPI and Decentralized Prediction seem highly compatible!

[splawik21]

World's First DAPI: Decentralized Application Programming Interface
 
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115510/worlds-first-dapi-decentralized-application-programming-interface

Evan as time pass by you become more handsome

Great conversation btw. Love to see Dash @ cointelegraph

[fluffypony]

We wouldn't if you didn't sometimes come across like such a Doos. Ek speel maar net.

lol, net 'n grappie, ne?

That said what would be the benefit of Evan putting malicious code into his project? Or anyone else from the dev team? Also as they can be rolled back by other members of the team any such theoretical attack from within could hopefully be negated?

Speaking purely hypothetically? The benefit would be when he's cashing out and he needs one-last-pump.

BTW: the effects of the backdoor can be observed in both cases when it is used, and not any earlier. So there is really no difference in that regard. The forking is of course possible, but that is easily observable, too, or am I missing something?

Well, imagine he obfuscates the code such that it only activates on a successful deactivation of an existing spork. Then it lies dormant until he reaches out and touches every node with His Noodly Appendage.

Wrong.

The spork is merely a secondary lever, not a magical "activate terrible code"-button. A malicious Monero developer for example could implement "underhanded code" into your official GUI-wallet release (you know, in 2045 or so when it's finished) with the simple instruction of having it activate when certain conditions are met, like a date, a block height, a difficulty level, even a certain transaction amount or a combination of any of these conditions. Heck, for all I care he could program his own spork as underhanded code into your release and create the same exact scenario you just tried to reduce onto DASH.

As you can see, your central argument has been easily refuted, making Dash just as vulnerable to that method as any other crypto. Not more, as you tried to construct. Nice try though.

The majority of those conditions (dates, block heights, difficulty levels, transaction amounts) would be easily visible even in heavily obfuscated code. Furthermore, activating at any of those junctures may be sub-optimal for our hypothetical malicious dev's needs. Being able to trigger at point-in-time is incredibly, incredibly powerful (in the negative sense).

Anyhow, this has been an interesting conversation, and I've appreciated the more mature responses from toknormal et al., but I think it's best to shake virtual hands and move on. Cheers:)

[tungfa]

go back to work !
you are in the wrong thread !
 

[MasterMined710]

...printed bog paper

Two raffles

One for a loaded Dash wallet handed out on a USB stick

and one for some XMR on a toilet paper based "wallet" (non-GUI but most likely gooey.....)

Paper wallets or usb sticks? Nah InstantX to people in the crowd. Preferably to their phones. Boom.

great idea but do we have a mobile wallet that supports instanTX?

By then hopefully..Problem with that idea is getting their addresses. Spose they could just skype/email them to him.. but seems clunky. First 10 messaged addresses from the room gets 10 dash!

for some reason this whole time we were waiting on the electrum wallet i thought it was going to be a mobile wallet not a desktop client.
are they working on a mobile one too?

[salmion]

go back to work !
you are in the wrong thread !
 

It's actually been an amusing and interesting conversation tonight. Far higher class than the normal "it are instamaaan and da suckz!

[salmion]

...printed bog paper

Two raffles

One for a loaded Dash wallet handed out on a USB stick

and one for some XMR on a toilet paper based "wallet" (non-GUI but most likely gooey.....)

Paper wallets or usb sticks? Nah InstantX to people in the crowd. Preferably to their phones. Boom.

great idea but do we have a mobile wallet that supports instanTX?

By then hopefully..Problem with that idea is getting their addresses. Spose they could just skype/email them to him.. but seems clunky. First 10 messaged addresses from the room gets 10 dash!

for some reason this whole time we were waiting on the electrum wallet i thought it was going to be a mobile wallet not a desktop client.
are they working on a mobile one too?

There is an android one and hopefully apple too soon.

[Bridgewater]

Every time I click to read the next page my place is lost due to incessant deletions of past content. If the goal of deleting old or unnecessary posts is to make the thread easier to read, then it has been a complete failure.

People may stop reading altogether if they have no stable point of reference from which to start or continue their reading.  

It is like if you're in the middle of a long novel and when you turn the page you're suddenly reading the final chapter and have spoiled the ending.  Now if you still want to go back and dutifully continue reading from your prior position, you must search through every page to find it, spoiling the rest of the content in the process.  Who wants to read backwards!?

[Minotaur26]

World's First DAPI: Decentralized Application Programming Interface
 
http://cointelegraph.com/news/115510/worlds-first-dapi-decentralized-application-programming-interface

Great interview, I enjoyed that very much.

[italeffect]

Speaking purely hypothetically? The benefit would be when he's cashing out and he needs one-last-pump.

If your whole argument is a hypothetical where the dev is malicious then I fail to see how spork / no spork makes any difference.

So it comes down to you thinking Evan is a scammer. Can't say I agree with you on that one.