[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[illodin]

There must be a misunderstanding on how to send anon tx's with DASH.

You can have standard coins and anonymous coins in your DASH wallet. You can mix standard coins and they will become anonymous coins. This process currently takes time. When you have anonymous coins in your wallet you have mixed a month ago for example, you can spend them immediately, there's no waiting as they have already been mixed - the tx will be instant.

Then again, dunno if this is planned to be changed in Evolution.

So until the vaporware isn't released, DASH has just as shitty anon as NavajoCoin is what you're telling us.

I don't know what NavajoeCoin's privacy methods are like these days, and I don't care much tbh.

What I said though was that because the traffic is low (perhaps the need for anon is not that great what the Marketing Teams of some coins are hyping it up to be), transforming standard coins to anonymous coins takes time. When you have anon coins in your wallet, you can keep spending them instantly.

The need for anon is greater than ever

The market cap of one trick anon ponies like Monero for example tell otherwise.

Who would wait 20 hours - 72 hours to send a simple anon tx?

Like I said, when you have mixed the coins you can make anon transfer instantly.

And like I told you in another thread, if your use case is to buy coins off of an exchange, withdraw them, and send them away immediately, you will open yourself to timing attacks no matter how anonymous the actual transfer is.

It really looks to me like the demand for anon transfers is basically zero.

[GhostPlayer]

 HAHAHA !!! Are you for real ??  I cannot stop laughing!!

 So Evan DID explain it, or didn't he? Did you know, or didn't you know? And in the process, educated everyone reading this lunatic bin that to get questions answered on ANYTHING, you really should go to www.dashtalk.org.

 You basically just admitted to being a troll, that has no clue what Masternode Blinding is, or what it's for...

 Top marks champ. Top marks.

[DrkLvr_]

 HAHAHA !!! Are you for real ??  I cannot stop laughing!!

 So Evan DID explain it, or didn't he? Did you know, or didn't you know? And in the process, educated everyone reading this lunatic bin that to get questions answered on ANYTHING, you really should go to www.dashtalk.org.

 You basically just admitted to being a troll, that has no clue what Masternode Blinding is, or what it's for...

 Top marks champ. Top marks.

Are you stupid? You think an excuse is an explanation? Why wasn't it "explained" on Bitcointalk? So eduffield announces Masternode blinding is working on Bitcointalk and then never says another word about it, he only leaves a note in Dashtalk that it's not being implemented.. and you call that an explanation ad nauseum.  You're laughing like a maniac who's quickly losing his sanity.
 
Keep laughing Tiago.

[aigeezer]

This just in: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-running-out-of-funds/

Anyone up for a "decentralized governance" lecture to the BTC foundation?                     

[GhostPlayer]

 Love your rhetoric. You're a brilliant individual.

[Jestah]

 Love your rhetoric. You're a brilliant individual.

It's the clown brain in his head.  He can't help it.

[eduffield]

Am I missing something about segregated witness? I've been looking at presentations, looking at the code and it seems to have the exact same validation model as the existing signature scheme. The only thing I can figure out that it helps with is propagation speed (which is nice), SPV validation and a requirement for BTC Lightning. However, people seem to think it gives 2-8x capacity on the Bitcoin reddit:

https://prezi.com/lyghixkrguao/segregated-witness-and-deploying-it-for-bitcoin/
https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commits/segwit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vs524/eli5_segregated_witness/cxqerrv
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vtks2/bip_248_segregated_witness_ln/

Andreas A. seems to think it's something special:

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/674106750841266176

What am I missing?

Segregated Witness is super useful for Dash Evolution, we can use it to make decentralized SPV more efficient.

[stan.distortion]

Christ, noscript can be a pain sometimes, how many scripts does a page need? And flash crashing every few min doesn't add a whole lot to the experience, propitiatory shite :/

A 60% reduction in blockchain size with the same method of storage sounds a lot but it's only really postponing the inevitable and not even remotely close to the gains from shards on DashDrive and InstantX. I'm guessing the 4x to 8x claims are a multiplication of a single value, 40% storage x 40% bandwidth.

[noobtrader]

Am I missing something about segregated witness? I've been looking at presentations, looking at the code and it seems to have the exact same validation model as the existing signature scheme. The only thing I can figure out that it helps with is propagation speed (which is nice), SPV validation and a requirement for BTC Lightning. However, people seem to think it gives 2-8x capacity on the Bitcoin reddit:

https://prezi.com/lyghixkrguao/segregated-witness-and-deploying-it-for-bitcoin/
https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commits/segwit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vs524/eli5_segregated_witness/cxqerrv
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3vtks2/bip_248_segregated_witness_ln/

Andreas A. seems to think it's something special:

https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/674106750841266176

What am I missing?

Segregated Witness is super useful for Dash Evolution, we can use it to make decentralized SPV more efficient.

i read this explanation, it seem they will include some sort of masternode in bitcoin

[–]bitusher [score hidden] 17 hours ago
An Airline only allows you to bring a limited amount of weight and bags onboard a plane for your luggage. They have to be fair and have a consistent policy for their passengers while at the same time recognize real life physical limitations and risks. There is a careful balance to be made where they make their clients happy with allowing them more luggage but at the same time keep the weight considerations reasonable for speed , limiting fuel costs and safety.
They previously had a policy of allowing 2 carry on bags weighing 10 Kg in total, but overtime with a growing economy their clients grew more wealthy and needed to travel with more bags because they were flying to Aruba for 2 week vacations, instead of 1 week. The clients were demanding more bags and up to 40 Kg of luggage weight. They had a choice to increase the size of the plane but the accountants and engineers were concerned because the fuel costs would increase and the safety of the planes may be compromised as well with so much weight. The sales department also voiced an objection that larger planes would cut down on their flying routes leading to less possible destinations clients could visit.
It was known since 2011 a safe and effective solution would be to separate the less critical luggage on a train or boat and the important luggage could go with the client to solve these problems but the airline kept delaying these changes because of distribution and contract problems with the railroad/shipyard companies. Redirecting every railroad or shipping route would be a logistical nightmare. Another concern is passengers didn't want their luggage being mixed or misplaced within the trains/boats as they were keen on some of the new quick luggage check-in and fraud protection processes the airlines were developing and there is no way they could get any of that with dumping their luggage on a train or boat.
One day a bright young engineer recommended a novel approach to solve these concerns. He indicated, "Look, we already have shipping agreements with Fedex/DHL and lease out a certain amount of space on their cargo planes that flyout from the same airports. We would have to increase capacity on them but they are efficient and we won't have to reroute all the trains or deal with the nasty railroad companies and our passengers could still bring their important luggage through our new fraud protection and quick check-in processes. Our passengers won't have to pay more and get everything they want. We will have to secure larger contracts with the airfreight companies but ultimately they will benefit from more business and we will benefit from more flight routes and clients." ... followed by an applause from the board of directors and some quick recommendations to roll out the long awaited changes immediately.
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Who or what is FedEx/DHL in this example?
Full nodes who still have to process the higher capacity but due to be sourced from the same "airport" can conveniently handle the extra less necessary luggage (signatures) as opposed to using full node trains/boats processing the segregated data (signatures) which represent the complexity and difficulty in rolling out these important changes with a hard fork.
The data is essentially segregated between full nodes(freight airlines) and lite nodes(passenger airlines)

[GhostPlayer]

i read this explanation, it seem they will include some sort of masternode in bitcoin

 Nope. That would be good old full nodes vs light nodes (SPV clients, electrum, multibit, hive, mycelium, breadwallet, etc)

[noobtrader]

i read this explanation, it seem they will include some sort of masternode in bitcoin

 Nope. That would be good old full nodes vs light nodes (SPV clients, electrum, multibit, hive, mycelium, breadwallet, etc)

 spv client is not a node, is it ?  i thought node keep all data, not just data of  the specific wallet address

With segwitness you can prune signatures that don't need to be kept, resulting in a much smaller data storage requirement.

my take is that lite node hold pruned data, while full node hold data unpruned

[GhostPlayer]

my take is that lite node hold pruned data, while full node hold data unpruned

 In a nutshell, that is the definition of a light wallet. Segregated witnesses are something else. Still wrapping my head around the concept, haven't looked much into it to be honest.

 Here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fst1IK_mrng&t=36m

[Sub-Ether]

On the 26th Nov I got 100 + 20 DASH out, but since then only 10 DASH in the last 12 days, my withdrawal limit was zero instead of $2,000 per day, recently it has reappeared and I have a few W/D pending but the 10 DASH one is the only one to have been processed, they still have 2,970 DASH & 16.9 BTC of mine frozen for over two months now and continue to ignore my support ticket and emails, I would not advise anyone to try and arbitrage there.

They probably sorted mine quickly because its a trivial amount, looks like they are going to string you along forever for the rest 
Those arbitrages are still rising, Doge is top traded for good reason, they must have lost many customers in the last few days, and anyone who traded Doge at 22% loss will definitely not be trading there again.
The troll box is full of WD complaints, and thats only the ones they haven't banned yet!

[eduffield]

Looks like we broke above our 3000 difficulty ceiling finally. If so that means, we should stop paying the higher block rewards from here on out (capped at ~4.20DASH, 3.90DASH in about a month).



http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/dash-network-hashrate-chart

[BusterNutBag]

Funny how the trolls run and hide when Evan shows up

[qwizzie]

Looks like we broke above our 3000 difficulty ceiling finally. If so that means, we should stop paying the higher block rewards from here on out (capped at ~4.20DASH, 3.90DASH in about a month).



http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/dash-network-hashrate-chart

Looks to be on track (more or less) with moocowmoo's schedule : https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/questions/12910621/how-much-is-the-roi-of-a-masternode



I didn't know the difficulty ceiling would come into play as well....

[ArpFlush]

Hm, after checking dashwale.org I see my masternode last pay was 10 days ago! Is this normal nowadays?  

[qwizzie]

Hm, after checking dashwale.org I see my masternode last pay was 10 days ago! Is this normal nowadays?  

With these higher active masternode numbers we are moving to 6 or 7 days before MN payment,
thats excluding variation... so my guess is that either you are getting acquainted with Miss Variance
(who can be a bitch sometimes) or perhaps you did something* that sent your masternode back in the waiting line ?

* for example updating your cold wallet with masternode=1 in your dash.conf ? best to set masternode=0 in there if you are still using dash.conf
and want to update your cold MN wallet. To avoid this alltogether it is probly best to use masternode.conf .. that has not this specific "bug".
    

[stan.distortion]

my take is that lite node hold pruned data, while full node hold data unpruned

 In a nutshell, that is the definition of a light wallet. Segregated witnesses are something else. Still wrapping my head around the concept, haven't looked much into it to be honest.

 Here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fst1IK_mrng&t=36m

Cheers, a lot better than trying to make sense of the presentation docs Script has no version field?! I thought I was getting confused when reading through the presentation docs but wtf? Dash's second tier more or less bypasses that by being able to perform all kinds of complex transactions with a relatively simple set of actions on the blockchain, right?

Something interesting in the "Fraud proofs" section of the vid, splitting up the unspent inputs so nodes can handle a small section of them rather than always needing the full chain. I'd wondered about that one before but I guess there's a hell of a lot of crypto voodoo needed to make it work and again, Dash is there already but with a different approach. Viva la shard

[DrkLvr_]

Funny how the trolls run and hide when Evan shows up

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Really? Evan is a liar and a failure. He's proven that time and again. Evan can't even get the information on the Dash ANN page right. Good luck with your Social Experiment Token. The last coin that called themselves a social experiment was the igotspots scam BALLS. I'm sure DASH is headed in the same direction. Complete failure.