[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

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We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route.

Perhaps you are right but as long as there are people such as Raptor_73 who apparently do think those metrics are important, my bolded questions should probably be answered instead of dismissed.

How many of Dash commits are actually specific to the Dash project?

How many (and percentage) code modules are new or significantly modified?

How many (and percentage) lines of new or significantly modified code?

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We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route.

Perhaps you are right but as long as there are people such as Raptor_73 who apparently do think those metrics are important, my bolded questions should probably be answered instead of dismissed.

How many of Dash commits are actually specific to the Dash project?

How many (and percentage) code modules are new or significantly modified?

How many (and percentage) lines of new or significantly modified code?

I'm not sure what he thinks, but the numbers look quite impressive so I guess that's why he posted them. Make of them what you will.

Instead of posting your 'bolded questions' rhetorically, why don't you research and post the winning answers, should you find them.

Sure, I'll start.



Thus I estimate that Dash has 218 commits that aren't in Bitcoin. The number may be off slightly due to the repos likely being a bit out of sync with each other.

Not bad, but well under even the paltry 1200 or so attributed to another project that is alleged to be a clone with "no development" so maybe not that impressive either. I'm not sure, what do you think?

[Minotaur26]

We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route.

Perhaps you are right but as long as there are people such as Raptor_73 who apparently do think those metrics are important, my bolded questions should probably be answered instead of dismissed.

How many of Dash commits are actually specific to the Dash project?

How many (and percentage) code modules are new or significantly modified?

How many (and percentage) lines of new or significantly modified code?

I'm not sure what he thinks, but the numbers look quite impressive so I guess that's why he posted them. Make of them what you will.

Instead of posting your 'bolded questions' rhetorically, why don't you research and post the winning answers, should you find them.

Sure, I'll start.



Thus I estimate that Dash has 218 commits that aren't in Bitcoin. The number may be off slightly due to the repos likely being a bit out of sync with each other.

Not bad, but well under even the paltry 1200 or so attributed to another project that is alleged to be a clone with "no development" so maybe not that impressive either. I'm not sure, what do you think?

I am sure numbers could be checked but I think you are just comparing apples and oranges. In Monero there has been a lot of clean up of the Cryptonote code base done where a few lines of code are changed and then a commit is submitted and certainly other more substantial commits but the small ones sure add up.  Dash works differently as new features are added from scratch the amount of code in a commit can be bigger.  I am not saying one thing is better than the other, just that the comparison does not apply. If you wanted to compare two different projects like this, you should do it in terms of lines of code added, but again there is no point in that as Dash and Monero are unrelated.

We tend to measure in terms of new functionality added like, Instant Transactions, Voting, Blockchain Funding, Incentivized Full Nodes, Coin Mixing,etc and how those align to our long term goal of making crypto more usable to people.  Definitely choosing a younger codebase like Cryptonote has its drawbacks like having to spend a lot of time cleaning up and completing the  codebase without producing added value for end users specially when compared to the Bitcoin codebase, things like multisig come to mind.

I think everyone that is contributing to the industry should do it in their own way and all avenues are valid, we will see in a few years how things evolve. Comparisons between things that are unrelated to each other are not conducive to progress. Sorry if it sometimes comes from our side too.

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Thus I estimate that Dash has 218 commits that aren't in Bitcoin. The number may be off slightly due to the repos likely being a bit out of sync with each other.

Not bad, but well under even the paltry 1200 or so attributed to another project that is alleged to be a clone with "no development" so maybe not that impressive either. I'm not sure, what do you think?

I am sure numbers could be checked but I think you are just comparing apples and oranges. In Monero there has been a lot of clean up of the Cryptonote code base done where a few lines of code are changed and then a commit is submitted and certainly other more substantial commits but the small ones sure add up.  Dash works differently as new features are added from scratch the amount of code in a commit can be bigger.

It's not apples and organes necessarily. Monero has had some massive commits and new features where work has been done from scratch then added in one commit, including deterministic wallets, the embedded database, encrypted payment IDs, replacement of the RPC subsystem with 0MQ IPC, etc. Those are in addition to improvements and clean up to preexisting code (including preexisting code that was itself previously added by Monero)

I don't really know the best way to measure these things -- I guess different measurements are useful for different purposes -- but when someone posts a comparison of number of commits in Dash compared to another project, then it is important to consider how many of the claimed number of commits actually represent the work of the Dash project and not just the commits that are common to 1000 Bitcoin forks. That number alone may not be the best indication of progress, but at least it is an indication of work being done by Dash.

If you wanted to compare two different projects like this, you should do it in terms of lines of code added

Indeed, I suggested also looking that metric. And I wasn't even necessarily comparing myself (though I was replying to a comparison) as much as asking about metrics of the actual Dash project work. These sorts of metrics have been published for Monero (for example in our 2014 year-in-review, though that is now quite out of date of course), but I haven't seen them for Dash. Historical metrics would be interesting as well, for example the number of lines of code associated with each of the identified features you mentioned above.

[oblox]

We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route.

Perhaps you are right but as long as there are people such as Raptor_73 who apparently do think those metrics are important, my bolded questions should probably be answered instead of dismissed.

How many of Dash commits are actually specific to the Dash project?

How many (and percentage) code modules are new or significantly modified?

How many (and percentage) lines of new or significantly modified code?

I'm not sure what he thinks, but the numbers look quite impressive so I guess that's why he posted them. Make of them what you will.

Instead of posting your 'bolded questions' rhetorically, why don't you research and post the winning answers, should you find them.

Sure, I'll start.



Thus I estimate that Dash has 218 commits that aren't in Bitcoin. The number may be off slightly due to the repos likely being a bit out of sync with each other.

Not bad, but well under even the paltry 1200 or so attributed to another project that is alleged to be a clone with "no development" so maybe not that impressive either. I'm not sure, what do you think?

I am sure numbers could be checked but I think you are just comparing apples and oranges. In Monero there has been a lot of clean up of the Cryptonote code base done where a few lines of code are changed and then a commit is submitted and certainly other more substantial commits but the small ones sure add up.  Dash works differently as new features are added from scratch the amount of code in a commit can be bigger.  I am not saying one thing is better than the other, just that the comparison does not apply. If you wanted to compare two different projects like this, you should do it in terms of lines of code added, but again there is no point in that as Dash and Monero are unrelated.

We tend to measure in terms of new functionality added like, Instant Transactions, Voting, Blockchain Funding, Incentivized Full Nodes, Coin Mixing,etc and how those align to our long term goal of making crypto more usable to people.  Definitely choosing a younger codebase like Cryptonote has its drawbacks like having to spend a lot of time cleaning up and completing the  codebase without producing added value for end users specially when compared to the Bitcoin codebase, things like multisig come to mind.

I think everyone that is contributing to the industry should do it in their own way and all avenues are valid, we will see in a few years how things evolve. Comparisons between things that are unrelated to each other are not conducive to progress. Sorry if it sometimes comes from our side too.

Even this isn't a great means of comparing since one can space out code in longer lines vs consolidating. I doubt there is a great method of comparing...

[UdjinM6]

We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route.

Perhaps you are right but as long as there are people such as Raptor_73 who apparently do think those metrics are important, my bolded questions should probably be answered instead of dismissed.

How many of Dash commits are actually specific to the Dash project?

How many (and percentage) code modules are new or significantly modified?

How many (and percentage) lines of new or significantly modified code?

I'm not sure what he thinks, but the numbers look quite impressive so I guess that's why he posted them. Make of them what you will.

Instead of posting your 'bolded questions' rhetorically, why don't you research and post the winning answers, should you find them.

Sure, I'll start.



Thus I estimate that Dash has 218 commits that aren't in Bitcoin. The number may be off slightly due to the repos likely being a bit out of sync with each other.

Not bad, but well under even the paltry 1200 or so attributed to another project that is alleged to be a clone with "no development" so maybe not that impressive either. I'm not sure, what do you think?

This comparison is pretty much meaningless imo but in case you want to continue it's better to compare similar branches. For Dash corresponding Bitcoin branch is 0.10, not master.



So difference is somewhere around 2100 commits currently

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This comparison is pretty much meaningless imo but in case you want to continue it's better to compare similar branches. For Dash corresponding Bitcoin branch is 0.10, not master.



So difference is somewhere around 2100 commits currently

Thank you for the correction. That seems an impressive number, and indeed somewhat an indication of a lot of development work being done that is independent of Bitcoin. If you look back in the actual commits there were indeed many commits for clean ups, tweaks, etc., especially during the summer (around the time of the version 12 release), so the 2000 number seems to pass a quick reality check.
 
Are you no longer merging new Bitcoin commits, or is it planned to freeze for a while and then catch up at some point?

[dEBRUYNE]

This comparison is pretty much meaningless imo but in case you want to continue it's better to compare similar branches. For Dash corresponding Bitcoin branch is 0.10, not master.



So difference is somewhere around 2100 commits currently

Thank you for the correction. That seems an impressive number, and indeed somewhat an indication of a lot of development work being done that is independent of Bitcoin. If you look back in the actual commits there were indeed many commits for clean ups, tweaks, etc., especially during the summer (around the time of the version 12 release), so the 2000 number seems to pass a quick reality check.
 
Are you no longer merging new Bitcoin commits, or is it planned to freeze for a while and then catch up at some point?

In case the corresponding Bitcoin branch is 0.10, this probably gives the best and most fair comparison:



Also: "Showing  300 changed files  with 5,718 additions and 3,542 deletions."

[TanteStefana2]

I am sure numbers could be checked but I think you are just comparing apples and oranges. In Monero there has been a lot of clean up of the Cryptonote code base done where a few lines of code are changed and then a commit is submitted and certainly other more substantial commits but the small ones sure add up.  Dash works differently as new features are added from scratch the amount of code in a commit can be bigger.  I am not saying one thing is better than the other, just that the comparison does not apply. If you wanted to compare two different projects like this, you should do it in terms of lines of code added, but again there is no point in that as Dash and Monero are unrelated.

We tend to measure in terms of new functionality added like, Instant Transactions, Voting, Blockchain Funding, Incentivized Full Nodes, Coin Mixing,etc and how those align to our long term goal of making crypto more usable to people.  Definitely choosing a younger codebase like Cryptonote has its drawbacks like having to spend a lot of time cleaning up and completing the  codebase without producing added value for end users specially when compared to the Bitcoin codebase, things like multisig come to mind.

I think everyone that is contributing to the industry should do it in their own way and all avenues are valid, we will see in a few years how things evolve. Comparisons between things that are unrelated to each other are not conducive to progress. Sorry if it sometimes comes from our side too.

Great level headed response, as usual.  Thanks Minotaur! and UdjinM6 and dEBRUYNE

[DrkLvr_]

Yes, and as you well know DASH is far from a 'pointless clone' and has undergone significant development.

We could have a cryptonerd penis measuring contest all day long with this commit versus that commit. I don't see investors taking that route. It's probably lower down the list of fundamentals than a solid foundation (bitcoin), features/roadmap (evolution) and delivery....standby for that.

Meanwhile we can keep an eye on the market cap  

OK Evan.

DASH is a shit clone with an added fraud instamine and other badly implemented features because your dev team barely understands what they're doing. Essentially you're spaghetti coding your way to whatever "cool features" are in fashion this month.

Keep looking at market cap.. an especially useless metric in a coin whose Dev team instamined 30% of the current supply and locked the coins into a HYIP masternode POS scheme.

Fraud + Masternode = MASTER FRAUD. Congratulations

Dash

[MasterMined710]

It should be becoming painfully obvious that "Operation Noise" has been a utter and complete failure. Please, to all FUDders and BS regurgitators, stop this nonsense before you completely destroy your investment.

Cool that the Latin American Bitcoin Conference is almost apon us. Should be an interesting day!

well they have been successful in keeping this thread bumped for us  
they need to put a DASH add in their sig so i can tip them... never mind, i have almost all of them on ignore.

[AizenSou]

Monero's devs are releasing a genious plan: The more posts in Dash's topic  we make - the more Monero will look like as a competitor to Dash.  It's very innovative approach...

yep

Make me wondering myself too. Why does Monero main dev spend too much time trolling on another coin's thread ? Does he have nothing to do at all ? I mean his job should be 'coding', isn't it ?

[UdjinM6]

This comparison is pretty much meaningless imo but in case you want to continue it's better to compare similar branches. For Dash corresponding Bitcoin branch is 0.10, not master.



So difference is somewhere around 2100 commits currently

Thank you for the correction. That seems an impressive number, and indeed somewhat an indication of a lot of development work being done that is independent of Bitcoin. If you look back in the actual commits there were indeed many commits for clean ups, tweaks, etc., especially during the summer (around the time of the version 12 release), so the 2000 number seems to pass a quick reality check.
 
Are you no longer merging new Bitcoin commits, or is it planned to freeze for a while and then catch up at some point?

Yep, the idea was to freeze v12.0 in some stable state (which we hopefully achieved) and release new fixes and improvements (as well as merge latest commits from Bitcoin 0.10) in v12.1 somewhere before v13. v12.1 still require more work to be done (still having issues with locks sometimes) and community testing before launch for sure (few important things changed there including tx creation and budgeting rpc) so not going to happen very soon imo. Moreover we are mostly concentrated on developing ideas and implementation of v13 now.

[toknormal]

Make me wondering myself too. Why does Monero main dev spend too much time trolling on another coin's thread ? Does he have nothing to do at all ? I mean his job should be 'coding', isn't it ?

I don't think he is 'the main dev'.

Monero doesn't have a 'main dev'. It has a...

[AizenSou]

Make me wondering myself too. Why does Monero main dev spend too much time trolling on another coin's thread ? Does he have nothing to do at all ? I mean his job should be 'coding', isn't it ?

I don't think he is 'the main dev'.

Monero doesn't have a 'main dev'. It has a nnnnnndofe.....

Ok so I mistaken. He's the main troll then. Thanks for clarifying, tok

[dnaleor]

hopefully we can see the show live on internet...  

Disclosure of Dash Evolution is imminent !!
 

about the dash evolution obviously

Speaking of showing live video from the 2015 Latin American Bitcoin Conference; Any chance we can get a livestream of the DASH presentation?  The Samsung Note 5 and Edge have the ability to a do livestream within the camera/video settings.  It probably isn't too hard to do on other smartphones either.  

Video about setting up livestream on Note 5/edge for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAZ6d5hs3Xg

I think I must disappoint you... I can't find a DASH presentation in the schedule: http://www.labitconf.com/#schedule
The only thing I can find is a panel discussion (16:00-16:45) on dec 5:

Tools and ideas for developers
Evan Duffield (DASH), Sebastián Wain (CoinFabrik), Ira Miller (Degginer), Alexandre Linhares (Combinatorial Mathematician)

[tungfa]

Daily Altcoin Analysis: Litecoin, Dash, Dogecoin, Ethereum, Peercoin

http://cointelegraph.com/news/115762/daily-altcoin-analysis-litecoin-dash-dogecoin-etherium-peercoin

[Bridgewater]

how many rats did i got in my trap   hehehe

It's rare to see such an open admission of trolling like that.

You need to do a better job of perpetuating your illusion of "protecting" us unwitting investors.  You're not allowed to have fun, because you need to keep up that "oh-so-concerned" facade. This is serious stuff, you know... after all, it's MY money (DASH) you're talking about, not yours.  

Seriously though, what you don't seem to realize is that rich guys will never listen to poor guys because a logical person only ever listens to someone whom he wants to emulate.   So unless an investor wants to become poor, he will completely ignore trolls and follow either his own instincts or the example of those who are more successful than him.

So far, you've demonstrated only ineptitude in the field of investment, based on your admitted holdings of the defunct DSH bytecoin-clone.  It is comical that you expect any investor here to listen to you; you come across as one of those bearded homeless guys on Wall Street holding up a sign of "the end is near!" as successful businessmen pass by.   Some advice: Figure out who your target audience is, then work on your image if you expect to even have a slight chance of convincing anyone.

[iCEBREAKER]

I can't find a DASH presentation in the schedule: http://www.labitconf.com/#schedule
The only thing I can find is a panel discussion (16:00-16:45) on dec 5:

Tools and ideas for developers
Evan Duffield (DASH), Sebastián Wain (CoinFabrik), Ira Miller (Degginer), Alexandre Linhares (Combinatorial Mathematician)

lol rekt

Duffield should be on a scam-panel with fellow snakeoil salesmen Dan Metcalf (XC, Blocknet), Josh Garza (Paycoin), and Dan Kaufman (NeuCoin).

I can't wait to see the crowd start chanting "InstaMine! InstaMine! InstaMine!" when the EvoluSham vaporware nonsense starts.

[tungfa]

bla bla blaaaa ....
man is this lame
i can not believe you guys are still bickering around each other