[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[qwizzie]

Does some one know what the latest current ROI per masternode is?

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/questions/12910621/how-much-is-the-roi-of-a-masternode

you can use moocowmoo's sheet....

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[DARKHOLDER]

BTC go down Dash GO UP!

[bigrcanada]

Does some one know what the latest current ROI per masternode is?

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/questions/12910621/how-much-is-the-roi-of-a-masternode

you can use moocowmoo's sheet....

Thanks Q!

[AzzAz]

BTC go down Dash GO UP!

Not this time...

[bigrcanada]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

[Sub-Ether]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

Multibit SPV wallet but its horrible to use in my opinion, if bitcoin ever forks again(like that mining episode a few months ago) it can easily step on the wrong chain because only about last 4 blocks are validated.

[volyova]

Though I liked reading some of his posts but now he enters in an "attention whore" territory.
First with Monero now with Dash.
Mining himself some investors?

appearently he got a bit frustrated in the end, so i would advice everyone to just ignore it (or him)  for now...

Been thinking on and off all day about this. I am not satisfied with my public handling of this issue of Dash, in that I don't feel it is my role to attack another person's work or venture. I think those that can do something, just do it. I must admit to myself I am frustrated (beaten down) with my own struggles.

Everything lately has been very stressful. It is difficult to compute how to fit into this crypto jungle. In my condition, some times (or most of the time) everything is difficult, even just simple things. Very difficult to prioritize. It adds to frustration the level of excrutiating detail that is required to analyze, explain and implement correctly. The computer is physically injuring me. We were initially analyzing Dash because it is a related design to my coin's design and so I wanted to enumerate possible design flaws and how I correct them.

There is a lot more I could say to explain my various feelings and thoughts. But I think it is better I shut up.

That lunatic "Anonymint" or whatever his latest schizophrenia result named him is probably the saddest character in this asylum of a forum. He wrote more words and put more energy into this place than Tolkien and R.R. Martin into their works combined and yet he constantly repeats "Gee I should stop writing and start coding". In the end he keeps babbling even more, achieving zero, zip, nada. I have no clue if he has any skills in crypto or if his only skill is authoring babbling tirades.

I believe he's just another scammer like Eduardo aka iCEHOLE. He asked for a shitload of money to just write a fucking whitepaper on some vaporware his insane mind made up allegedly better than DASH and Monero together and he spent more time thinking about the name than actually writing a single line of code. His bullshit sob story about some "serious sickness" as an excuse to ask for couple of grand USD is so original as well!
Who other than Moronero trolltards take him serious? Fuck, I give Spoetnik rants more credence than this guy...

There is a lot more I could say to explain my various feelings and thoughts. But I think it is better I shut up.

Expect another few thousand "I will shut up now"-lines from this guy before he actually does (no sooner than that alleged "sickness" makes him, I guess)

You are spot on.

Lots of words from a prolific forum poster who doesn't really do anything. He does come across as unstable and most often not very lucid, not sure by design or not.

This type of forum personality is easily able to attack trolls. Moths to a flame really. In that they love the aggressive behaviour, seemingly impressive crafting of words that are really just babble when you break it down.

arielbit and some of the other kids that hang here are classic examples of followers that will fall in behind the alpha altcoin/btc personalities that push their own agenda's.  These followers are really not sure what or why they are doing something other than the promise of being uploaded to sugar candy mountain in the singularity afterlife.

If they were not here arguing about alt coins they would be arguing about linux distributions, playstation vs xbox, nvidia vs AMD, shelbyville vs springfield, batman vs spiderman, quantum theory vs general relativity, logical thinking vs emotive thinking and keynesian vs austrian-economics.

umm....on second thought, based on what i am seeing, they might be just arguing about playstation vs xbox.  

Arielbit is the DashCoin (DSH) "leader". He is upset that E. Duffield legitimately purchased DashCoin's name (which the coin still continues to use!) from the original DSH dev. Community take-over apparently. Ho-hum..

[smoothie]

@any new comers or newbies here is a summation of some of the facts about dash that you should know before investing any time or money into this project.

LINK: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy

[AlexGR]

Anonymint says at one point

"But then smooth explained to me that these altcoin market caps are all manipulated mirages. Then I transitioned from a gullible fool and I started to ponder the more likely truth about the altcoin arena being one big "mining the speculators" paradigm."

...too much company with the Monero guys proves corrosive.

[olcaytu2005]

Don't feed the TROLLS! Especially legendary ones who come from the pity monero community. We know they need some bone but we don't have much bone. We have a dildo for smoothie and icebreaker dogs.

[pille]

Both explorers stuck at block 388600:

Main: http://explorer.dash.org/
Mirror1: http://explorer.darkcoin.qa/

Please have a look.

[splawik21]

Both explorers stuck at block 388600:

Main: http://explorer.dash.org/
Mirror1: http://explorer.darkcoin.qa/

Please have a look.

Yep.....

Use

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/

[TanteStefana2]

my wallet is at 389616

Just FYI at 45 past the hour

[iCEBREAKER]

@any new comers or newbies here is a summation of some of the facts about dash that you should know before investing any time or money into this project.

LINK: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmvogy

That's quite the domination post.  TPTB_need_Anonymint's is close, but not as exhaustive nor as concise.

Still, we needed an update to debunk Dash's latest Evolusham vaporware con.

And here it is:

I claim that Dash is spyware because the anonymity is trusted to masternodes which are an obvious target for the NSA or anyone who can profit on breaking anonymity (e.g. those who want to blackmail you or whatever).

I don't need to dig in the source. It is a conceptual truth in terms of the way the anonymity has been described (at least the last time I paid attention).

Evan mentioned he was going to improve it for Evolution, but even if he shifts to onion routing across masternodes, that won't entirely absolve the attacks on anonymity from colluding masternodes (although it can improve the statistics on the masternode coverage needed for breaking anonymity). Ditto any mixnet he employs, including if he prefers to implement CoinShuffle.

Instead if he implements Cryptonote then he won't have RingCT's features. If implements RingCT, then he is copying Monero's recent research. Also I doubt he is capable of understanding the RingCT white paper and implementing it. He will probably have to work by copying source code or hiring some expert crypto assistance.

In any case, that won't correct the other flaws in InstantX and mass-scale transactions that are his other big selling points of Evolution. And none of that will correct the fact that masternodes reduces Dash to an inferior proof-of-stake security/politics model.

Domination and debunking continues:

When all the masternodes are hosted, it is not crap to say the NSA can probably get access trivially. When most are hosted on one cloud provider (something I read, don't know if it is true), then even an employee could potentially get access trivially.

You simply can't get anonymity without cryptography. The masternodes see everything in clear text. Dash is more likely to be spyware than anonymity. In fact, I've conjectured the wild speculation that Evan hasn't been worried about SEC because he might be on the dole of the NSA (but that is too conspiratorial to assert as likely).

Dark my ass. Dark where the NSA got its fist up the users' buttholes. I have often returned to the wild speculation that Dark(Vader)Coin was really a big data harvesting coin.

The official definition of spyware is any software that exposes your data out on the wire. It doesn't have to actually be intended to do that. Just opening the security hole is sufficient to meet the definition.

[dnaleor]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

You do understand that if darksend is default and if DASH takes off, the DASH blockchain will become a pig as well...
There are (real) anonymous coins out there that actually scale better than DASH. But well, let's stay on topic:
the only reason that the DASH blockchain is still easy to load is the fact that it isn't used much.

[stealth923]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

You do understand that if darksend is default and if DASH takes off, the DASH blockchain will become a pig as well...
There are (real) anonymous coins out there that actually scale better than DASH. But well, let's stay on topic:
the only reason that the DASH blockchain is still easy to load is the fact that it in't used much.

Isnt that why Dash Evolution will have a third tier API access for every day users? They wont need to download the blockchain....Masternodes will be the work horse?

You could even go as far as to set a tier based system inside the Masternode network based on what CPU/RAM/Disk IOPS etc..

[dnaleor]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

You do understand that if darksend is default and if DASH takes off, the DASH blockchain will become a pig as well...
There are (real) anonymous coins out there that actually scale better than DASH. But well, let's stay on topic:
the only reason that the DASH blockchain is still easy to load is the fact that it in't used much.

Isnt that why Dash Evolution will have a third tier API access for every day users? They wont need to download the blockchain....Masternodes will be the work horse?

You could even go as far as to set a tier based system inside the Masternode network based on what CPU/RAM/Disk IOPS etc..

As far as I know, the network only checks if your masternode is reachable to make you eligible for Masternode Rewards. It's not mandatory to serve the whole blockchain to the network.

[dEBRUYNE]

geezzz.  what a pain dealing with Bitcoin Wallet.  How is that going to be consumer friendly if you have to down load the blockchain?!?  So I'm assuming you can have a BTC wallet with out having to download the blockchain? I've had a mobile wallet ...but I'm certain that doesn't download that pig of a blockchain....

You do understand that if darksend is default and if DASH takes off, the DASH blockchain will become a pig as well...
There are (real) anonymous coins out there that actually scale better than DASH. But well, let's stay on topic:
the only reason that the DASH blockchain is still easy to load is the fact that it in't used much.

Isnt that why Dash Evolution will have a third tier API access for every day users? They wont need to download the blockchain....Masternodes will be the work horse?

You could even go as far as to set a tier based system inside the Masternode network based on what CPU/RAM/Disk IOPS etc..

Probably what is intended, making some kind of SPV wallets for DASH as well.

But that is not really the point here, the point was that Bitcoin Core took ages to sync because of the large blockchain, which will also happen to "Dash Core" (let's call it this for convenience for now) because DarkSend transactions are relatively large as well. If these kind of transactions get enforced on the protocol level and DASH is widely used, the blockchain will become quite massive as well. As a result, "Dash Core" will be a pain in the ass to sync as well.

[bigrcanada]

aaaahhhh....good! Always a good sign when our pet trolls show up.  I guess they were all offline waiting till their master paid them for their last batch of trolling.   Welcome back....

[TanteStefana2]

Isnt that why Dash Evolution will have a third tier API access for every day users? They wont need to download the blockchain....Masternodes will be the work horse?

You could even go as far as to set a tier based system inside the Masternode network based on what CPU/RAM/Disk IOPS etc..

Probably what is intended, making some kind of SPV wallets for DASH as well.

But that is not really the point here, the point was that Bitcoin Core took ages to sync because of the large blockchain, which will also happen to "Dash Core" (let's call it this for convenience for now) because DarkSend transactions are relatively large as well. If these kind of transactions get enforced on the protocol level and DASH is widely used, the blockchain will become quite massive as well. As a result, "Dash Core" will be a pain in the ass to sync as well.

I think all blockchains will have to have an end of life cycle, where it gets trimmed.  But in the meantime, with Dash Evolution, we'll have many years of time before it needs to be dealt with.  Also, if we're still using mixing, coins won't have to be mixed more than once because the MNs are blinded, I believe due to the API, but not certain how that works.  So mixing only has to be done once or twice at most.  This will not be much of a bloat.  There may also be some other system in the works, so much is being bantered about.

Anyway, there are so many possible solutions to this problem, it's one of the last things we need to do though.

On another note, bitcoin is resisting the downward pressure.  Very interesting