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Author Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency  (Read 9722528 times)
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December 21, 2015, 12:41:24 AM
Last edit: December 21, 2015, 12:53:59 AM by arielbit

arielbit and some of the other kids that hang here are classic examples of followers that will fall in behind the alpha altcoin/btc personalities that push their own agenda's.  These followers are really not sure what or why they are doing something other than the promise of being uploaded to sugar candy mountain in the singularity afterlife.

followers? I'm watching the work and opinion and thoughts of a developer just like Evan Duffield (got bitch-slapped Grin) and shady ass account Macrochip..

spin more stories, shady ass account ceti HAHAHA


Arielbit is the DashCoin (DSH) "leader". He is upset that E. Duffield legitimately purchased DashCoin's name (which the coin still continues to use!) from the original DSH dev. Community take-over apparently. Ho-hum..

 Huh HAHA  Huh Huh MWAHAHAHAHA ...what a fuckin lame ass story you got there volyova

LEADER? HAHAHA ....my tummy hurts here buddy laughing..

dashcoin is decentalized, i don't have the slightest idea, WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHEN are the other dashcoin holders..

you see when I created a new ANN thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018296.0 during the mayhem Evan created, I gave way to more capable hands of kushedout and papalazarrou https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018296.msg11049541#msg11049541, because I'm just a simple folk here...the one you and bigrcanada calls "nobodies" ..

thanks for the laugh buddy!

upset? do I look upset here? I'm having fun here catching rat accounts and exposing your lies and deceit.
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December 21, 2015, 01:08:34 AM

Good news: Dash-coin is finally being mentioned in actual cryptographic literature.

Bad news: Dash-coin is mentioned only as an example of what Peter Todd calls "bad crypto."

https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1098.pdf

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One benefit of using the above types of ring signatures over other
anonymizing techniques, such as CoinJoin or using coin mixing
services, is that they allow for “spontaneous” mixing. With CoinJoin
or coin mixers, it is similarly possible to hide the originator of a given
transaction, however these techniques in practice need some sort of
centralized group manager, such as a centralized CoinJoin server, where
transactions are combined by a trusted party. In the case that the
trusted party is compromised, the anonymity of the transaction is also
compromised.

Some coins such as Dashcoin, attempt to negate this by using
a larger number of trusted mixers (in this case masternodes) but this
number is still much smaller than the users of the coin.


In contrast, with a spontaneous ring signature, transactions can be created by the
owner of a given pubkey (this is the spontaneous, or “ad-hoc” property)
without relying on any trusted server, and thus providing for safer
anonymity.


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The Dash governance system has been a great success.  The ability for the network itself to pivot and dedicate resources to different areas depending on the needs of a changing market environment is our biggest competitive advantage.

This was clear in our recent experience in Mexico City. This aspect of the project was what all of the industry leaders that were there liked the most about Dash. There was universal agreement that this can help the project be autonomous and adapt faster. It is a superior model to manage and grow a cryptocurrency network.

It allows Dash to build relationships and develop partnerships to help bootstrap its economy in the areas it needs. It is the only coin that can do blockchain contracting and establish a long term collaboration with an interesting partner in a particular area. We are working hard on a couple of these partnerships in areas that can be key for the development of Dash. Hopefully things go well and we get to end 2015 with a couple of great wins.

Stay tuned.









Great!

OH..here got another rat account HAHA .... first post darkcoin and forever darkcoin..and not newbie-ish

raico, what is your love at first sight story with darkcoin?

welcome to my list  Wink https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.msg13200467#msg13200467
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Sorry for the mess,
but the team is hard at work !
(and are tripping out on the new stickers)
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I've been reading the Evolution docs docs (in the park). Just started.

Having lived and worked through the eightees computer revolution I think I can save people a lot of time and effort in dissimilating Dash and Bitcoin.

Dash is Apple and Bitcoin is Microsoft. That will be the story from now on and the playout will be the same.

Apple had control of the software and hardware which meant that they could move faster than anyone else. They used this "total control" to build an ideal computing environment.

Meanwhile, IBM and microsoft played the "bitcoin game": Everyone was allowed to participate in the economy. Motherboards by X. IBM received a royalty on "X" while allowing everyone else to make them. Microsoft changed "PC-DOS" to "MS-DOS" and became the biggest tech company ever. cryptowas contracted out. Technology accounted for nothing. Adoption counted for everything..

Apple did not allow anyone to make anything Apple compatible. Just as Dash does not contract out its anonymisation technology. Dash masternodes only work on the Dash network. They don't work on any other network.

NOTE: Commercial priorities - Adoption vs Development. Dash think’s it’s garnering adoption through development but which may be true to some extent. But Bitcoin is garnering far more adoption through marketing, just as Microsoft did. Meanwhile Dash is setting the precedent for the industry. Just as Apple did.

That is the challenge for Dash. People do not buy technology, they buy need.

Right now, bitcoin is at the front door of "need" as far as crypto currencies go.



Apple Computer had a GUI operating system a full 10 years ahead of Microsoft. Think about that - it's a massive lead. They also had desktop publishing, native networking (Appletalk) and Fonts.

But Microsoft and IBM between them created an economy, because everyone could get a "piece of the action" - hardware manufacturers, software builders, alternate OS's like Linux, Mick Jagger, you name it. So the PC economy grew far larger despite the fact that Apple was leading the way the whole time. It was a kind of uneasy, competitive come co-operative relationship between the two technologies that ultimately was to prove very productive for both.

Now lets turn to Dash and bitcoin.

Dash has created a second tier. It is not a literal tier - only a logic tier which is important to emphasise. However this tier is not a third party commercial tier as far as protocol goes. It is totally integrated with the Dash network protocol in the same way that Apple hardware was integrated with Apple software. This is going to give Dash a huge advantage technologically because it controls both tiers. The bitcoin economy will require all the same features that Dash has - and will get them. It's just that the secondary tier will be supported by third parties and technologies  such as Etherium blockchain apps, stock market ETF's, Coinbase, Sidechains etc. The resulting bitcoin economy will be huge for the same reason that the IBM/Microsoft economy was huge - i.e. loads of people can have a piece of the pie.

But it will also be ugly.

And thats the catch for investors. Both options are attractive for different reasons. When I read the Dash Evolution docs I suddenly encountered myself from 30 years ago: using an advanced technology that was about to not do justice to itself commercially.

Why ?...because it retained control of its own ecosystem, thereby leaving the field bare for others. Dash is showing the way. But only symbolically and on a prototype basis. The industrial equivalent of masternodes will have the entire crypto world running a commercially diverse second tier against a commercially diverse tier of store of value assets. How that economic model plays out is as yet ambiguous. Whats for sure is that all crypto assets will find a role - no one will dominate that business model.

Where Apple was back then is where Dash is now: in control of a symbolic equivalent of what the world-wide market is about to become.

The bitcoin economy will acquire the equivalent of masternodes, decentralised voting, anonymity, scaleability and everything that Dash has. It just won't develop it as a single technological unit. If you want privacy you'll buy through an ETF who will keep your contracts private for you. If you want scaleability you'll use payment channels which will end up being owned by Visa. If you want decentralised voting - forget it. There's no way an economy that size is going to leave policy to "the people".

Regarding the Apple/Microsoft legacy, the question for Dash investors is: How does this technological precedent apply to money ?


There are two answers to that: [1] a technological one. [2] - a financial one

A. Technology
To answer the technological one is easy. Bitcoin has already thrown in the towel on protocol development. Technologically it is parked and all future services will be taken up by third party support services such as Etherium apps, stock market ETF's (Winklevoss twins), banks using bitcoin as capital assets and proprietary payment channels that use the bitcion blockchain as simply a 'clearing' layer. In other words, Bitcoin is not going to fulfill Satoshi's vision - a store of value that could also function as a currency. Monetarily, the banks will turn it into what CDO's are: a capital asset that backs other capital assets that ultimately back fiat currency.

B. Capital
The question of Dash as a capital investment is far more open. Lets calculate Dash's marketcap as a proportion of bitcoin's.



Ask yourself this. If you really think Satoshi's vision of a fully integrated, self contained monetary medium is worth preserving, which approach does more justice to it ?

[1] - SIDECHAINS: a coder's Frankensteinian boilerplate that has no historical precedence in monetary history which requires you to "bake" your bitcoin for a day or two to in order to "hide" it, thereby turning the "ghost" bitcoin market into a premium version of the original and thus destroying all pretences to fungibility that bitcoin ever had.

[2] - ETF's: the paper gold version of bitcoin

[3] - PAYMENT CHANNELS: Do you really think that the last 30 years of research into cryptography a la David Chaum were busting their a'ss's just so that their discovery could be proxied ?

No. They weren't. What those people were looking for was an electronic asset that could be traded DIRECTLY.

The only two people I've ever seen in this entire field who've understood that principle implicitly and that don't appear to be scared of censorship are Evan Duffield and Andreas Antonopolis. Notably, they are also two people who have never aligned themselves with any particular approach. That tells you all you need to know.

In all the time I've been observing this industry, I've never seen Evan make one single adverse remark towards an industry peer. The same with Antonopolis. He is tireless in his ability to articulate the philosophy of monetary integrity as Evan is tireless in his pursuit of monetary fidelity.

The test is whether it gets adopted.

Dash's precedent is Apple. Bitcoin's is Microsoft. Take your pick. I've already seen how this plays out got the T-Shirt, picked my side except this time I suspect it's going to be played out a lot faster , if for no other reason than it has the space to itself.

Sources:

Dash Paper: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IZYs5C6CmJyC4MqY_2P_WnPcxaea6yy6cFkorkStDBM/edit
MS Cap: https://ycharts.com/companies/MSFT/market_cap
Apple CAP: https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/market_cap
History: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.
History: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/history#T1=era0


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So it looks like we have our house troll pets back after their little 2 day break, so far that includes :

arielbit
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I guess once a troll gets addicted to our ANN forum, there is no escaping it ... it drags them kicking and screaming
right back to us  Roll Eyes

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Disclosure of Dash Evolution : https://www.dash.org/evolution/



Dash Evolution creates a new type of cryptographic currency with various advanced features that assist in the creation of decentralized technology. Dash introduces a tiered network design, which allows users to do various jobs for the network, along with decentralized API access and a decentralized file system.

We will be writing the software for this project in stages, the first stage will take about 2 months to have a very early prototype for Dash Evolution that includes a basic implementation of DashDrive, Primitives, DAPI and a simple T3 wallet. In six to eight months, we should be entering testnet phase with most basic functionality. In 12-18 months, we plan for the first release version (a stable prototype).

Included below is our current work on Evolution, that adds many components such as:

• DashDrive – A decentralized shared file system that lives on the second tier network
• DAPI – A decentralized API which allows third tier users to access the network securely
• DashPay Decentralized Wallets – These wallets are light clients connected to the network via DAPI and run on various platforms
• Second Tier – The masternode network, which provides compensated infrastructure for the project
• Budgets – The second tier is given voting power to allocate funds for specific projects on the network via the budget system
• Governance – The second tier is given voting power to govern the currency and chart the course the currency takes
• Quorum Chain – This feature introduces a permanent stable masternode list, which can be used to calculate past and present quorums
• Primitives – We introduce Users, Groups and Accounts which allow a common way of interacting with the network.
• Social Wallet – By utilizing primitives, we introduce a social wallet, which allows friends lists, grouping of users and shared accounts.
• DSQL – A query language for administering the network via majority quorums (banning users, setting important network variables such as sporks on/off, etc)

Evolution Documentation Release

We’re going to try something different with the development of Dash Evolution. This is a social experiment on building an entire currency completely in the open, with extreme transparency, as such, things will change constantly. This is intended to be an open discovery process that helps us to create the best possible implementation, GUI and feature set for Dash Evolution.  Help us to flesh out these documents by editing, correcting or even coming up with new ideas that we could work into the system.

The documentation below is intended to be very high level, which should give a clear understanding of how to build and secure such a system. These aren’t really intended to be whitepapers, just simple technical documents showing the design choices and structures.

Many of these documents are outlines of ideas of how different pieces of Dash Evolution will work, they aren’t complete, feel free to add to these as well. To help us, simply click the “EDIT” button, then request access to the given documents. Please do not edit the documents directly, instead use the google docs “Suggest” feature. This is intended to be an open discussion of the technology in the documents, that will evolve with the project.

Thanks!

Evan Duffield



We will be releasing many more documents not here yet in the near future, please keep coming back to see updates and progress of Evolution.

Releases: Last Updated – December 4th, 2015





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December 21, 2015, 04:39:14 AM

The Dash governance system has been a great success.

Nonsense on stilts.

Dash's governance system is broken because two entities (Duffield and Otoh) control too many Masternodes.

And this problem is compounded by the 1% chance of an 'easter egg' double payment, which causes the rich to get richer.

If you want to see PoW-PoS hybrid vote-by-blockchain governance being done right, check out Decred.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358


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I've spend a couple evenings fleshing out the Proposal section outlining the procedure and best practices for creating DDGB budget proposals.
Voting and Budget sections will follow.

Those interested, please take a look and let me know if you have any suggestions.  moocowmoo@dash.org

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Using+Decentralized+Governance%3A+Proposals%2C+Voting%2C+and+Budgets

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For real?? I had bookmarked that paper for a read, but after your quote i'm not sure if i should read it ...
What kind of paper is this if they can't even get the name of DASH right ...
Such a sloppy research on DASH that they even can't get the name right is just so amateurish ...

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Hilarious!
...given a 50% attack on the masternodes...

Yeah, attacking 50% of the masternode network is SO realistic.

I don't know what i should think about this none sense.

TPTB_need_war is talking about "capable on block chain theory tech" ...

And then he is talking about an 50 % attack on the masternodes ... so what is block chain theory tech ? From my understanding in the end it's all about getting a decentralized consensus, in an abstract view consense means more then 50 % ... so yeah if you control more then 50 % you are the one with the most weight and you can in this case perhaps attack DASH, wow, this must be the holy grail of block chain theory tech to understand that someone who has 50 % of the network is capable of "attacking" the network because he can made the consensus of the network by himself.

I really don't know if i should laugh or cry about this block chain theory expert.

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For real?? I had bookmarked that paper for a read, but after your quote i'm not sure if i should read it ...
What kind of paper is this if they can't even get the name of DASH right ...
Such a sloppy research on DASH that they even can't get the name right is just so amateurish ...

I'll notify the author to adjust it. Agree it is a bit sloppy, but he isn't the only one who got it wrong.

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For real?? I had bookmarked that paper for a read, but after your quote i'm not sure if i should read it ...
What kind of paper is this if they can't even get the name of DASH right ...
Such a sloppy research on DASH that they even can't get the name right is just so amateurish ...

I'll notify the author to adjust it. Agree it is a bit sloppy, but he isn't the only one who got it wrong.

Maybe it's not sloppy, but a dig at Dash's snake oil and your cargo cult's bad 'bamboo version' of crypto. 

Regardless, it's a good example of why stealing the Dash-coin name for Darkcoin's rebrand was a bad idea.


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Dash / Darkcoin mentioned:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1200/RR1231/RAND_RR1231.pdf

This stood out in my opinion:

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See El Defrawy and Lampkins, 2014. The alt-coin Dash (formerly Darkcoin) may be viewed as semi-centralized in some respects due to its Masternode construct, but this is mainly for anonymity purposes—the other functions of the currency are performed analogously to Bitcoin; See also Dash, undated (b).

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Last edit: December 21, 2015, 10:12:12 AM by aleix

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Dash / Darkcoin mentioned:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1200/RR1231/RAND_RR1231.pdf

This stood out in my opinion:

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See El Defrawy and Lampkins, 2014. The alt-coin Dash (formerly Darkcoin) may be viewed as semi-centralized in some respects due to its Masternode construct, but this is mainly for anonymity purposes—the other functions of the currency are performed analogously to Bitcoin; See also Dash, undated (b).

noted

interesting but old
they wrote this 12 month ago and published 6 month ago
so this does not really have a voice anymore as 12 month in the Dash and/or Crypto world is a long long time
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Merry X Mas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYPcf3uzAqE&feature=youtu.be

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December 21, 2015, 11:11:19 AM

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December 21, 2015, 11:18:28 AM

For those who use these words not knowing what they mean.
Especially for lazy iHerd



You simply can't get anonymity without cryptography.

I think you're mixing up anonymity, privacy, fungibility and encryption.

Four very different things which have potentially nothing to do with each other and which are optimally deployed in very different use cases.

Anonymity basically alludes to anything that doesn't have a name attached to it. Where the medium is perfectly visible but where any association with individuals has to be gleaned from outside of that medium. For example, if I receive an anonymous message from some woman telling me that she loves me then the message is perfectly visible, it just doesn't have her name on it. I have to start doing research outside of the realm of valentine cards to find out who sent it. I can show the card to all and sundry and it's still anonymous.

Privacy, on the other hand alludes to a restricted audience. For example if someone goes to the crapper and locks the door, they'll be the only individual partaking of the experience. If you make a bank transaction, only you and the bank staff will be privy to it. In neither of these cases, though are you "anonymous".

Encryption is one method of enforcing a restricted audience - i.e. privacy. It does not, however, make you anonymous.

Fungibility is a property of a (monetary) medium which makes 1 unit of that medium indistinguishable from another unit. Fungibility does not necessarily enforce privacy because it doesn't "hide" anything. But it does mitigate the propensity to discover the historical movements of a unit of that medium. Fungibility therefore DOES boost anonymity in a way that encryption doesn't.

If my anonymous admirer sent me a totally fungible valentines card that was printed with nothing but I LOVE YOU on white card, and all other valentines cards in the world were exactly the same, I'd have a damn site harder time tracing her than if it was handwritten fluorescent pen that was only available in one shop in my local town. Either way, no recourse to encryption is needed. Nor is it with regular cash, precious metals or any other monetary media that have been floating around for centuries, serving as the reference standard for monetary anonymity.

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December 21, 2015, 12:07:24 PM

Merry X Mas
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Why is she saying "Happy Holidays" ? Whats wrong with "Happy Christmas" Huh
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Merry X Mas
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Why is she saying "Happy Holidays" ? Whats wrong with "Happy Christmas" Huh

Tantestefana will answer it better, but the idea was - to make this video International.
And in different countries there are different Holiday names and traditions.
For example in Russia just a small percentage of people celebrates Christmas (on "7" of January). The name of main Holiday is "The New Year".
But there is no "New Year" in China in nearest 40 days. And so on...

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